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15 hours ago, PrepHoopsWestTN said:

Based on what you are saying (very well may be the case), if I am a parent of a student and I want my student to go to a school of my choice and my student is qualified to attend that school, how can they tell me that my student cannot attend that school? The only out I see for school districts is we are at capacity and are not receiving any new students. I think that reason would hold up in court but anything other than that... get ready for lawsuits. 

They may tell you that your child cannot attend because your local taxes are paid in another district, and funding isn't fully provided to compensate for your student. Find a lawyer that can navigate that minefield. Funding is currently provided by three separate entities...Federal, State, and local (county or city)...out of county (or city) taxes are not transferred with the student.

On 4/15/2025 at 2:00 PM, PrepHoopsWestTN said:

Yes, over 450 Million dollars in loans for students to apply for and receive to attend private schools. But doesn't it also read universal school choice for students and family to decide on school for both inter and intra districts?

That universal choice is from the family's perspective only...the system/school applied to has to agree to accept the student. That's the catch...the voucher bill was advertised as giving the family a choice and the funding (partial) to attend, the reality is that the school applied to has the authority to deny.

On 4/15/2025 at 10:04 AM, PrepHoopsWestTN said:

this has to be the old policy. The TN Legislature just passed a law that gives all kids school choice. if a student decides they want to come to Lakeland it will be hard to tell them that they can't come... One of the things that may prevent students from going to a specific school is number of students. In other words, the school is full and our class sizes are maxed out so we can't accept you. But, schools turning down the money that comes with a student deciding to go to their school... That don't happen very often. 

All school systems in Tn. are 100% "open zoned". Any restrictions about zoning or exclusion of students for reason of the area in which they live is directly that school system's own policy. TSSAA regulations are about transfers only, regarding students with an established record of participation in TSSAA sanctioned events at their previous school.

 Having said that, your statement about Lakeland "be hard to tell them they can't come" isn't true at all...their Board of Education establishes that policy themselves and may restrict the area from which students are eligible to attend.

 What most people are unaware of (and complain about) is the fact that their own school restricts them from accepting "out of zone" students. Alcoa is the most glaring example in football...so many people down them for being able to accept students without realizing any/every other system can if they choose.

4 minutes ago, HarrisFootball said:

Its a great hire for Trenton, Vowell is a great man. Wonder who he is going after for OC now though.

He's had the resume' to be HC since he accepted the coordinator job at Trenton. Losing Jacobs will be tough (two are better than one), but they'll be just fine.

Different roles for different size schools. Small schools cannot approach $50,000 for an AD salary...maybe three or four (average) for a stipend added to a coach's salary. Game administrator, overseeing all sports' budgets, scheduling, directing athletic field maintenance, transportation for programs, acquiring officials, some fundraisings, and participating in hiring/firing of athletic personnel are all interchangeable duties expected from an AD. 

On 4/14/2025 at 3:34 PM, Primetime1 said:

This negates the whole point of being able to move freely with the vouchers. The voucher is no good to student athletes. This is the dumbest thing there ever was if they don't make it so the athlete can transfer schools and not have to move. Total BS.

The voucher bill has been gaining momentum for much longer than most even realize that it's been presented on The Hill, and has been passed in increments going back several years. The current version is Gov. Lee's pet project and his aim since his inauguration...I'm going to be very surprised if he allows TSSAA to pitch out a roadblock after fighting TEA and TSBA all these years for "unlimited voucher assistance".

4 hours ago, ItsAlwaysSunnyInAtwood said:

No surprise. Peabody made Tab Vowell head coach yesterday.  

I would have either been shocked or suspected that something behind the scenes was up otherwise.

23 minutes ago, PrepHoopsWestTN said:

they beat every team in the state. The teams that have bigs will be able to score every time down on them but no way any team can guard them. They will just outscore every team.

Disagree

  This argument has been basically proven already. Not just any 1A small school team maybe, but the state level 3A and up would beat most any college team, and there are several in state that would own the WNBA in a season...maybe not win every game, but be the best team. There's several small samples of this out there, and a standing bet (with no takers for two years) for one million dollars...WNBA vs. a high school team. WNBA team doesn't even risk losing the money, just their pride and the argument.

On 4/7/2025 at 10:53 AM, ItsAlwaysSunnyInAtwood said:

By this year, you mean after the seasons concludes? 

Bet the new football coach they just hired is happy as a hog in the mud about this development!

On 4/7/2025 at 11:48 AM, TennesseeValley said:

Tony Hill was just announced at Hardin County. Anyone have any insight on him? Since we play them in district lmao

Hill has the credentials. I was actually surprised that they didn't stay within the coaching tree from there...they seem to for everything else.

TSSAA is not negotiating at all, they are simply going through the motions and attempting to hold on to as much authority as possible. Without control over players, they are essentially done as a parent organization and relegated to catering events, providing officials, and sponsoring tournaments.

On 4/5/2025 at 4:05 PM, TryNotToSuck said:

He reportedly turned down multiple offers from schools throughout the state, even some in Alabama. I knew when Lexington announced the "stadium renovation" plan in the summer of 2023, they were getting ready to throw everything at Jacobs in hoping he would accept that job. Not sure if it happened in reality, but it wasn't a secret in L-Town that 2023 was going to be Hollingsworth's last season prior to their first game.

I am extremely happy for Jacobs, and me have the best job in all of education (outside of a few superintendent jobs) in West Tennessee. USJ has an amazing person and a great leader.

I also hope that coaches across America find efficient ways to study film. I understand where he is coming from in the article. But I hope coaches don't spend time away from their family and their kid(s) events to study film. At the end of the day, it's a kids game we're talking about. No point in getting burned out over watching Huntingdon (for an example) when everyone knows what 5 plays they're going to run.

I guess that since both parties have moved on, it's OK to reveal what happened between Jacobs and Lexington. Lots of negotiations resulted in the job being offered to Jacobs before anyone else, and he accepted...even called family and told them. Long story short, the offer was rescinded by Lexington and they tried to renegotiate, to no acceptance.

On 4/3/2025 at 8:10 PM, BBRaider said:

 

This came straight from the HS Baseball coach “Not 100% sure” is referring to if all Sports will be cut at once. Baseball is for sure done this yr…It’s Happening  

What exactly came from the coach? That he's going to middle school, or that Lincoln County will be the sole HS in the county? There's a lot of latitude between the two, and a lot of room for speculation.

On 4/3/2025 at 6:15 PM, MoonDogRex said:

You think big-time private schools are going to accept students who are using state vouchers? Not happening. Not on any of the 365 days in a year. If a private school accepts state money EVER then it is the slippery slope to state government oversight. The only schools accepting the vouchers are those that have to make a compact with the devil in order to sustain revenues. Full. Stop.

What on earth does anything in your post have to do with the current conversation? We're examining TSSAA's role vs. state government regarding control over voucher assisted transfers. TSSAA intends to retain all control, even though their current policy would appear to be in direct contrast to Governor Lee's intent, which is ensuring that any student will be able to transfer to a private school without restrictions. If said student doesn't participate in athletics there are no restrictions, yet if they do TSSAA wants to penalize them by sitting out of any/all sports for one calendar year...I doubt that Gov. Lee will allow that if it becomes an issue.

 If you wish to discuss the intent of "big-time private schools" regarding accepting state voucher aided applicants for enrollment I will gladly admit that I couldn't care less one way or another and add that I also have no interest in discussing that detail of this thread.

5 hours ago, ManOfMillions said:

Good for Shane. I did not see this coming however, I am happy for him. Trenton better hire a dang fine coach or they are going to get slapped with a reality check! 

They've got a dang fine coach already there if both parties agree...just my opinion of course. Sometimes folks just don't try hard enough to be a winner, and every once in a while, they try too hard and overthink something obvious.

22 minutes ago, west10EZ said:

Shane Jacobs resigns from Peabody .. wow

Just heard this also...yes, WOW!!!

14 hours ago, Booger said:

 

seems to be happenin.......Not 100% sure....assumes its all sports....

.....sounds like BBRaider heard from a guy that heard from a guy that heard from a guy

Booger just sayin 

Yep...this went from "Lincoln County will be the only public HS in the county", to "Not 100% sure..." to "I know that the HS baseball coach will become the Fayetteville City MS Baseball Coach" in two shakes of a rat's tail. 

 Rushing to be 1'st has resulted in many a misstep...may be right, but I aint bettin' on it.

13 hours ago, RocketHouse said:

Really no reasoning behind their "solution" last month. For many student-athletes sports (a bad coach or situation) is the biggest social or mental health issue they face. So if Johnny has an algebra teacher who demeans him, he can transfer and play right away but if a defensive coordinator rides his arse in an unprofessional way making his playing career miserable he has to sit out. If he can't get into an AP class at his old school he can transfer and play right away but if he's sitting on the bench behind the coach's son or nephew he has to sit out a year to play elsewhere. 

Remember, athletics is the only thing TSSAA is concerned with so they have no vested interest in Algebra teachers or AP classes. They are scared stiff that ALL control is slipping away, and that transfer for athletic reasons is the only bit of control that govt. will possibly relinquish back to them. If a kid applies to transfer from a public to a private using the voucher money and has to sit, this whole charade will be revealed. Gov. Lee has pushed for the voucher bill for years and has been met with lots of resistance...now that it's established, he won't allow TSSAA to use their transfer rule to provide an obstacle...bet on that.

19 hours ago, RocketHouse said:

So exactly what passed by TSSAA and what is the new rule? And is nothing coming out of this legislative session on the matter? 

When the voucher bill passed, everyone knew that the "no transfer" policy of TSSAA would end in some fashion, including TSSAA. There have been conferences, internal meetings, meetings with govt. representatives, and changes to their own policy in order to hold on to as much control as they think will be allowed by state govt. There has been a one time transfer allowance voted in by TSSAA, but with "stipulations" regarding the intent and purpose of the transfer...in plain english, you can't transfer to another school and play immediately if you're transferring just to play, you have to transfer for another reason. So basically you can now transfer and participate without sitting out a year, you just have to alibi through an outside source that there's a legitimate reason other than sports for the move, such as a Dr's letter stating that the emotional/mental environment at the previous school was detrimental to little Billy's well being, or that little Billy has a learning disorder that school A has failed to address, yet school B has a program...

  The one time transfer is here. All the semantics by TSSAA is simply a desperate attempt to cling to the authority they had over the decision making process. Good luck to them when someone files a lawsuit and they have to prove that whatever "reason" for the transfer isn't real and that someone's child isn't being discriminated against for transferring.

On 3/24/2025 at 4:04 PM, rebelwoman87 said:

Thank you all so much. This is absolutely devastating. It’s like a nightmare 

We both know that there are no words that will ease your pain, but you know that God can and will make this bearable for you and yours. May the hurt go away, and the memories remain vivid until you meet again. 

4 hours ago, DVP41324000 said:

Lower yourself? My guy, you're the only 1 here name calling and ATTEMPTING to be demeaning. It's a pathetic attempt, but hey, you're the bigger person here obviously 😂

Yes, lower myself. I have learned that it's not possible to change someone's mind who doesn't have one. I've read all your posts on the topic stating that controlling tempo (I won't say stalling) is cowardly and brainless. If that's your opinion you're welcome to it, but when you attempt to insult me as well as others who have a different opinion, I'll point out where you're wrong and won't attempt to spare your ego. 

 Nice try with the innocent act by making me out to be the "only 1 name calling" after the watching paint dry, cowardly, brainless, lazy and other derogatory comments directed toward anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I'm done wasting my time with you...fire back if you like, but I'm not reading any more of your nonsense.

48 minutes ago, DVP41324000 said:

That's alot of words to try and defend a cowards and lazy way out of actually playing and coaching the game, a lot of words to prove nothing.

Words seldom prove anything to an idiot. Pardon me for not choosing to lower myself to your level in an attempt to explain something that you should already know. 

3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts22 said:

Someone will force their hand surely, this needs to be thoroughly investigated and acted upon if it’s as bad as I’ve read! Seems like to me they are trying to sweep it under the rug which shouldn’t be allowed by the new administration, if anything give them a postseason ban for a year or two and acknowledge they made mistakes. TSSAA promotes being a student-athlete first and foremost it is even in some of their mission statements! If they don’t act on this what kind of precedent are they setting for future student-athletes that do it the correct way? Sad day if they get away with it, but I called this a couple days after last years tourney that they were going to repeat that didn’t surprise me I knew it was coming. The thing that did surprise me was the coach thing and the teaching situation, they even weren’t even catering to their special needs students in an article I found from March 4th. Best believe the basketball team was always taken care of with top of the line everything. It’s definitely a front for athletics and how they aren’t getting in hot water after being exposed is beyond me. It’s going to have to take the right person or group of people to fix it! 

 

TSSAA's excuse will be that only athletics fall under their umbrella of control. Never mind that prior to the beginning of the tournament, the Department of Education that Cheat Perp is controlled by "outed" the fact that assigned grades weren't (couldn't possibly be) posted correctly, because most of the teachers lacked the certification to teach the course. That rule is pretty straightforward and simple...no grades=no play. Players with no grades playing in a specific game=forfeiture of that game.

 A similar incident happened in Memphis...clerks quit, some administrators fired, some quit before they could be prosecuted, and I think one may have even went to jail. Basically, nothing was done by TSSAA though, the kids and coach moved on like nothing happened.

 Now that it's out there and Cheat Perp says "we've got this fixed", it's as likely as not that TSSAA will not even acknowledge that it happened.

 If that's the case, someone should file suit and turn it over to an authority that will at least try to resolve something that should never have happened. Not saying that any team should be awarded the gold ball, but the team that shouldn't have been playing needs to pay the penance.

On 3/26/2025 at 8:13 PM, coachcorey said:

I believe the opposite of every sentence is a valid argument.

There are two valid sides to most every argument...only the stupid ones on either side can't grasp that.

 If he were smart enough for you to reach with logic, you wouldn't have to try.

2 hours ago, DVP41324000 said:

You must enjoy watching paint dry as well. You also must really enjoy coaches not having a desire, obligation or skill to develop players. Hold the ball doesn't take skill or brains.

I enjoy watching well coached teams beat a bunch of bigger faster athletes because their coach knows how the game should be played.

  What I don't particularly care for are small minded, big mouthed, aggressive people who think that their opinion is the only one that matters, and if they say it loud or often enough everyone else will believe it too, yet I DO get a kick out of pointing out the fact that often those who do most of the belittling are the ones who know the least about the topic of conversation.