I will agree with rll, when I played Betsy was a tough competitor but you and I agree that these last couple of devils team hasn't been the same when we played. I remembered when I played all of us had to go both ways, this team may have two or three at max that makes a big difference. But for all you Betsy fans I'm just given you all a hard time cause that's just who I am (full of ####) but I wish you all the best Friday