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I do agree and that's what you are suppose to do if you are involved with a program. Been there and done that myself. I get that not everyone works hard, but if someone doesn't work hard, it makes the entire team worse. Been there and experience that myself as well. I'm not saying they are all college wrestlers, but I've been in a few rooms in a high school and college and there are only two things that really separate them, work ethic and never giving up. They don't give up a takedown, they fight until they are taken down no matter what. I have also been around when money doesn't get tossed wrestlings way with football, basketball, band, whatever. You have to start somewhere and make it work, not put blame on money. The underdog thing in my mind is a double edge sword. I'll leave it at that. I'm not saying the kids aren't working hard, I'm saying that we aren't doing all we can so we can't say that we are. Sound ok?

First you are lying to yourself if you think that every kid in your region is working their butt off everyday. It's a quality missing in that generation. Second I wasn't saying that the wrestlers are talking, it's the dumb comments on here that get your kids disrespected. I think the kids do work hard, just not the level to be where chat is as a whole. In order to get respected, production is key in postseason.

The only thing you hear is could and should, but there is never really any action. That needs to change consistently for anyone to change their mind about this region

Winning an individual tournament means nothing. You can have a couple good kids and have everyone else average and win

Thanks Baller. All I'm saying is that if you take an above average team or even average team out, you lose depth which makes the region worse. Period. Even Cleveland is missing chat central and hixson

You expect to beat "Average" teams by more than 1. Especially when you are "superior" to them. Also, if they don't make a region better that means they can't compete. If they can compete then they make a region better end of story.

Well then so is Jeff County since they only beat an "Average" team by 1 (Greeneville). If you say they are average then your region is awful or that good and we know it's not the second

Seymore is not in our region anymore, Greeneville, SE. It's not just the region. It's the entire state. The region was weak before A/AA left. Oh and the 4 losses Greeneville had was a 1 point loss to Jeff County, 2x to PF and Halls. Saying that Greeneville left means nothing, then you are wrong.

I was never off. So your point of 4 placing isn't that special especially with a lot of talent gone. In order to be the best you have to beat the best and they aren't beating anyone if you take out some of the people in the weight that are better than the ones who place. Could be one of the weaker state tournaments in history. Blackknight I realize the argument but small schools wanted the division. My thing was it's not special if you don't wrestle anyone. That's why I have a problem with 6 divisions in Alabama

How many placed last year? It's easier to place when you take out good kids from A/AA

It's not just region 1 in recovery mode. Science Hill and TN High are getting better based on feeders. The thing you also have to consider is injuries and such. They were lots of teams this year as a whole that when a light weight got hurt, they didn't have anyone to throw in there. I remember when DB was good not based on middle school but AAU. It takes a talented coach to coach AAU or middle school. It's something hard to find. Yes there will be a decent showing at state in AAA, but I think medal count will be around the same. I think there will be a couple on the outside looking in. Region 2 in my opinion will have more medals.

I understand that. It hurt a lot of regions. There just will not be those battles of good wrestlers in the cons semis and for third and fourth. That is the only part that gets hurt in the scheme of things. The finals still should be good, but maybe in a couple of years there will be better competition throughout the tourney.

It seems that the region as a whole is really down this year. It may be just me, but there seems like usually there is more good competition than this. It seems that most of the regions are down though as well. Just my two cents.

That is good to know. Seems like one is getting better and the other is just staying the same. Hopefully it will be a good match if they both make it to the finals

Why don't you give us your predictions. Team wise? Cleveland by 20 plus points.

You are right about that especially coming off a pretty good showing at state duals, but what I can tell, with new coach post is the top two seeds against each other earlier in the season. Not saying that those will be in the finals. Wrestling is all about match-ups as well. Jeff County may not be the same team, but individually do they match-up well with where they are placed in the bracket. That is the question you have to ask yourself. I feel that SHHS will win the regional title, but Jeff County, TN High, and DB are fighting for second through fourth.

You are totally right, but you also have to give credit to WC for being there two years in a row. Now saying that, Cleveland is a force to be reckon with. I think that there should be a committee to let a school like Bradley in. I know this gets away from two teams outside each region, but there are stronger teams like Brad, SD, and Clev (in the same region). I think there should be like a 18 team bracket or something to get the best teams in the Duals.

They will get beat in the second round if getting past maryville, but if they lose to maryville it will be an early out

I think that might make it to the conso quarters or semis

The Palmer and Virgil match, Palmar from what I have heard tried a move and just got caught. The people I talked to are non biased and not taking anything away from Virgil. He has had a great year and continues to do so. The match in my mind would have been a great one if it went all three periods. Just my thoughts.These are two great wrestlers and can make a lot of noise come February. Good luck to both of them!

Sounds like the post above you explains your question. I don't know the answer, but king sounds like he knows.

I say Cleveland wins by 10.

I don't second guess anything in wrestling. Most people know when one of your best wrestlers lose there is a lost sense of urgency

That's always a killer

I'm guessing you were there. Was that match a dual changer in your mind?