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We are forgetting Mr. Pitts. He has beaten Alvarado two strait the last one a major. I think he should be considered in this matchup. Would appear to favor D1 in that case.

Ill take "lovie"(Mrs. Howell)...I know she was older but she had all the money!

Ill second that vote for Steves Landing. I usually enter from River off a boat late in pm so that might be why it always is great.

Its spelled "winners"

Unfortunatley it was not just a rumor. I fired Waddell however when I realized he had negotiated ceramic statues of the 7 dwarfs .

Obviuously Coach Jordan has meant a great deal to you. We can relate. Coach Logsdon has had a tremendously positive impact on both Michael and Travis. Much greater than just the wrestling knowledge imparted. Sounds like you feel just as strongly. Thats a sign of a good Coach. Travis right now is looking at Sports Medicine or Physical Therapy. However I do like Lovin its suggestion that he make his parents rich someday. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Jon, Regardless of whether I agreed with your discussion I admire your loyalty to your Coach and School. Good luck to you at Vandy.

There is no hate of Clarksville here. You guys were always accommodating. I got along well with Artie and his crew. I posted nothing about the perceived advantages. Dont know how real they are. I dont think people hate Clarksville high at all. As I mentioned in my posts there is much to be proud of in Clarksvilles wrestling history. This was not about that.The comments that ignited all this did upset many good people who take pride in their work and their job integrety and thats what the discussion has been about. But enough has been made of it as you said. This will eventually blow over like everything else does. Best of luck in the next two weeks to CLarksville at state.

Your right...and thats the way it is.

Mr Jones has been very generous to all the programs in Cleveland and around the state. He has done a lot with internet and TV to support Tenn wrestling as a whole. He should be congratulated for that. But he hasnt anything to do with the scheduleing at BC and doubt that he can influence this partiacular situation.

Oh you are quite wrong my friend when you agree that the Chattanooga refs are out to get Coach Jordan Yes you were implying a threat...you have now backed off with a phony explanation. I have praised Coach Jordans integrity in the wrestling room and his contribution to Clarkesville and the sport but you arent keeping up with me here son if you think Im extrapolating that into his statement of Chattanooga referees being( as you so tactfully put it) Tim Donagheys just because he says publicly he feels they are out to get him. His otherwise stellar accomplishments have nothing to do with proving that to be true. And You yourself are flat out saying the referees are cheating in this post. That is a lack of integrety and an accusation that is very serious. The only pedestal you are on is in your mind alone. Smart credentials? You have yet to put them on display. Time to see it. Impart the proof of cheating. Otherwise it seems that losing takes too much to accept with dignity in your case. It has to be the refs that stole it. Age old story. But unusual when a coach claims it is happening year in year out. Jeff Jordan has made may great contributions to Tennessee Wrestling, but in my opinion he is very wrong here. And, since you are accusing them(referees) of being cheaters in my view you are wrong as well despite what that fantasy pedestal in your mind fools you into believing. Thats why you cant understand why people are reading what you are saying and coming to the conclusions they do. Careful...your pedestal is wobbling.

If so, you've never met Coach Jordan and I pray you never do. If he's not the most honest man I've ever met, he's the toughest and he doesn't take any bullsh*t. This is what you wrote. If wasnt a threat why would you pray I dont meet him.(By the way its way to late for that). Nice spin job. You know what you meant. I also know you dont speak for him so I do not take such a statement seriously. As far as the stoppages go I have it on film. So no assumption. Fact. As I said before Coach Jordan has obviously made a great impression on you and sounds like his practice methods are great. Lets not forget some of the officials he is accusing of being cheaters have integrety as well. They have been around the sport a long time as well and in some cases longer than Coach Jordan. They arent making a call "just to get at Coach Jordan or Clarkesville"..they have more professionalism than that. He has called into question an entire group of guys and seems to have indicated it is an annual occurance that they are out to get him. I strongly question the validity of that statement as do most others. Coach Jordans integrety(which you laud and rightfully so) Im assuming also wouldnt entail such a ludicrous statements as being "way up on a pedastal" above others a stature you say you have achieved. Your statements if we are to believe them indicate that he is much more classy than that. A lesson you have yet to learn from him to add to the ones that you have.

Yes I have met coach Jordan. I didnt call anyone a liar. I said I think he believes what most others dont in that he has accused Chattanooga Officials of being biased specifically against his team. He is grouping a lot of fine referees as being cheaters in effect now isnt he? I think he is wrong in his beliefs. Ive watched wrestling here for 15 years now and I can remember incidences where we thought refs were against us and after viewing film in most cases we were wrong. Heat of the moment reactions occur at times because your heart is rooting for your team and you see it your way. I think it is not new about him complaining about officials. Therefore my comment about saying it long enough etc. I have sat opposite him on the wrestling mat and watched it many times. Stopping matches to complain that his wrestlers arent getting any calls. Sometimes 5 even 6 even 7 times during one particular bout and 12 to 15 times during a match. Much more so in my opinion than most coaches do. You can look at it that he is fighting for his team or you can look at it that he is constantly whining. It is somewhere in between likely. Coach Jordan has done a terrific job at Clarksville. He loves his City, his team and his wrestlers no doubt. He obviously has impressed you with his honesty and coaching with you and others. He is to be congratulated on his positive effect on this sport, Clarkesville , the community and his wrestlers. His passion comes through. Maybe that is why he does what he does but no doubt he does a lot of it. You have my opinion. Your final statement seems to be threatening a beat down by Coach J. I think he is above that. I doubt he knows your saying that for him. I think he would discourage it. A lot of people dont take BS from others. That list is long.

You are right. As a group they are outstanding.

Thats true and well taken. However when 90 per cent believe the opposite is it a lie for them?

Crow. /hungry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hungry:" border="0" alt="hungry.gif" />

You say something long enough, loud enough and consistently enough and true or not there will be a few believers. I think this is the case here when applying it to biased officials.

Oatmeal?

Dig the hole....fill it up....dig the hole....fill it up...thats how they train...

Groundhog day has arrived once again. Everyone save your posts and just go back to last year, or the year before that, or the year before thad ad nauseum, or please copy threads from 2008, or 2007, or 2006. Same thing, same questions, same accusations same outcome, there will not be a match between these two. Sorry but thats the best answer you will get.

This is not new. Typical JJ. He has been calling timeout mid match in what seems like every match for the many years I attended the duals to complain about officiating regardless of how obvious a call is..(I did not attend this year). The refs have always been against him year in year out in his perception. Sometime the amount of stoppages to complain in one match is incredibly annoying. It used to work some. Possibly the refs have caught on and not bending his way anymore.

Star Raider.....DOnt I get something for saying you nailed it? /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> I dint want to waste my time repeating your pics! /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="2@140 View Member Profile Add as Friend Send Message Find Member's Topics Find Member's Posts Feb 3 2009 - 12:27 PM Post #16 Trainer Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: Oct 26, 2005 Member No.: 85,615 Star Raider has it nailed.

So what you are saying is that letter that I still have from a prominent PS booster when my oldest was in 5th grade congratulating them on their recent wrestling tournament and inviting us to check them out is just a figment of my imagination? But I saw it with my own eyes!

Star Raider has it nailed.

Tex if you get any please save me just a small slice of that pie.