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Oops...I don't think that was supposed to happen. But it is very hard to beat a team 3 times in such a short time period.

I agree, dadoffour. If Temple-Grace isn't a rivalry, then who would Temple's rival be? The connections between Grace and Temple run deep. I like to think of Temple as Grace's older brother. Both are grown up now so it's a more even match.

Is that you, Eaglefanatic? /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" />

Probably...I've only given hints on this board, but with a little digging and a little smarts a Temple person could probably identify me. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" /> I'm a realist, as I think you are too. We know Temple is not perfect, and we want our leadership to do what is right. When wrong, correct it. Make it right. Playing by the rules is the christian thing to do. Admitting when you are wrong and paying the penality is also the christian thing to do. Even non-christians know this. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />

A reporter who doesn't have a kid attending a rival school reporting the story would have eliminated any question of bias or conflict of interest. Hargis could be seen as using the paper as his personal bully pulpit. There is a difference between reporting (an article) and writing opinion (an editorial). Temple only has themselves to blame for the position they are in. Time to take the lashes and get back to football. You can't claim the moral high ground after you've been caught. Temple should write a nice letter to the sports department admitting they broke some TSSAA rules, say they're going to be extremely careful in the future to obey all rules, and they appreciate the paper holding them accountable. Any chance that will happen? /popcorneater.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":popcorneater:" border="0" alt="popcorneater.gif" />

Too bad Chastain didn't put his son in during the SP/Temple game. That one still stands. /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> (for now).

Yeah, I noticed it in the online version. Good to know the print version was correct. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" /> I wonder if any sympathy Temple gets from other school come from schools wanting a weakened TSSAA rules enforcement. /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

It was suggested that maybe the state legislature should look into the power given to one individual (in this case, Ronnie Carter) in investigating, etc etc etc. I doubt it goes any further than a comment made on a local radio station broadcast.

I've never liked the "if you don't like the rules, leave." argument, but overall the article is good in pointing out some discrepancies between the information presented by the panel and the newspaper. Is there not a sports editor who proofs these articles though? "Earlier this week I to a local radio station..."??? listened? was invited? But this is the issue in a nutshell: "The rule is very clear in each instance, and the kids were ineligible. Period. Pay your fine, make sure you follow the same rules the other 300-plus member schools do and move on." Good advice, and I hope Temple follows it.

I would advise Hargis to show caution in responding through the newspaper. That is his career. I understand it is tough to listen to people criticize you publically, but his responsibility is to report on sports not respond to personal attacks. Someone needs to be the bigger man and drop the issue. We'll have to see who it is.

I wholly agree. I simply mentioned the insurance as something I hadn't heard brought up before. It doesn't excuse Temple's actions. I don't think Temple is denying the violations. I think they are saying they don't deserve the maximum penalty. I personally don't think anyone other than the Temple admin believe they got the maximum penalty. /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

They announced on the show you could get a copy of the the program on CD for $5 and it will be available (free) as streaming audio on the school website. I don't know when it will be posted (or if it has been post yet) on the school website, but the radio station's number is 423-493-4382 according to their website.

I'm going on recollection here rather than try to find the articles, but I believe Ronnie Carter said the kids would not be insured under the TSSAA insurance. I'm not an insider on either the TSSAA or Temple so I don't know anything outside of what I've read in the paper or heard on the radio yesterday. I don't know if/when Temple informed Ronnie Carter of the insurance they referred to yesterday.

I believe he was the person quoted in the paper.

I guess to get out information that was not reported in the paper like the two 2007 spring practice kids being insured. In the paper it was stated if they had gotten hurt they were not covered. But it's not really a "forum" if you don't have both sides present or at least take phone calls etc. I can understand the TSSAA and the paper not wanting to show up on someone's home radio station though. Perhaps they would have better luck getting together on a neutral station with a neutral moderator.

Is Walter Williams Temple's lawyer? He made it clear at the end his comments were his own and did not necessarily reflect the opinion of Temple.

It was announced today's Temple radio discussion will be posted to the school website. So for those of you unable to listen, you'll get another chance. The main new (to me) revelation was the school taking out insurance for the two kids during spring practice.

I will try to listen and take notes...I really wish they would drop it though. I heard Judge Williams is supposed to be on and they were trying to get "someone" from the paper. LOL. I doubt there will be any new information. From what I understand they will state: There was no recruiting. Coach Chastain was 6 months late on his son's tuition. Chastain's son snapped the ball and downed it in a couple games after they had been decided. The punishment is extreme considering the negligible impact Chastain's son had on the games. All this may be true, but rules are rules. There are a couple things that I hope don't get said, but I won't mention them here. LOL.

I attended TTA back in the early 90's and it seemed to me back then we always made the article title when we lost, but rarely when we won. This was probably more my bias than any of Stephen Hargis though. Maybe he is out to get Temple. Who knows? Bottomline, if you don't break the rules, you don't have to worry about it.

And if you are outside the area or away from the radio but have internet access you can listen at www.wdyn.com IMO, Temple should drop the issue, pay the fine and move on. If they had done nothing wrong I could see continuing to stir the pot, but that is not the case here. It doesn't matter if the guy caught the winning touchdown or downed the ball. If he was ineligible they forfeit the game. It's tough, but like everyone has said here other than the $4k fine, there is no real punishment. Are this booster's pockets deep enough to build a football field? /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

If the past means nothing, why do you continue to hate Temple so much?

Jimmy did go to Temple High though. I don't know what year he transferred to LFO, but I know he went to Temple High. So your statement about no one from Temple High playing for an SEC team is incorrect. If McMasters transferred to a prep school for his senior year (or a post-senior year) would you still say Grace had a player go play in the SEC? Temple's teams in the early 90's may have been only good, but playing against Grace made them at least look great. When's the last year Temple had a losing record in basketball? or even failed to win 20 games? (not counting any they may have to forfeit from last year...lol).

LFO = Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe. Another interesting point to consider: didn't Temple go to the basketball state tournament in just their second year in TSSAA? I believe they played Austin East. They didn't win, but it goes to show Temple's basketball has been good for a long time.

Jimmy Costner did. His dad taught at TTU. He went to Temple before transferring to LFO in senior high. But this probably happened before you were born because it would have been early 90's.

I agree OP. I hope the TSSAA sees it that way too. I think a year or two post-season ban plus fines should be sufficient punishment.