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I'm sorry I believe I may have been unclear. I was trying to say which sides champions had to go through tougher competition.

I think a truer test of D1 v D2 would be the sixth place finishers. Lets see who has to battle more to get atop that podium

Studs, contenders, and at what weights?

I was thinking top top tournaments(maybe 5), not every tournament with a couple tough teams. Bradleys stacked. Black Horse brings in CHBS, Brother Martin (New Orleans), Grissom (Alabama), MBA, and countless others. Ryan used to be a measuring stick in terms of Tennessee wrestling, but has just dropped the ball (potentially because of their refusal to use a match board. I never new why they had someone calling names for nearly a 32 team bracket, but thats neither here nor there).

So what are the most competitive tournaments in the state? You've got to figure Bradley, Black Horse (Houston), and several others. Ryan has slipped substantially in the last four/five years in my opinion. Whats the word?

I do enjoy a little sarcasm, and I get that a double elimination is important to many people. It could very well be done in Chattanooga. Just cutting out all of the larger breaks would help substantially. Not only is Chattanooga better for the wrestler in an excitement standpoint, but the spectator as well. I for one hate watching the state tournament where I cant see all of the matches, or even 75% for that matter. We cant all sit in the middle. Also it would be much better run with Eslinger in the mix. He coached the state tournament there and he know the issues. Look at how the Scuffle was run. Bono is a douche.

I'm for it being in Chattanooga as well, but this might be the worst argument I've ever seen on here... aside from the scottmike stuff of course

This is an article from the Chattanoogan a couple of years ago. Should give us something else to argue about The criteria includes one�s high school career complete with at least one state title, success at senior nationals and cadet and junior freestyle and greco-roman nationals at Fargo, N.D., with college achievements a plus. Mid South Conference: The vast majority of wrestlers who competed in the prep school Mid South Conference (1949-1970 for wrestling) did not compete in the state tournament; thus, are not eligible for this list. But the handful of Mid South wrestlers who were allowed to compete in the 1961 and 1962 state tournaments are eligible and some did make the list as state champs. The national prep champions from the Mid South are listed at the end of the story. No doubt, several can and will argue for wrestlers in their region of the state over others which makes the discussion interesting, stimulating and welcome. No Tonys, Oscars or Emmys are awarded and no checks handed out to the top 10. Just an opinion, yet hopefully an educated one, with solid input from across the state. Those champions who stand out from the hundreds, yes maybe thousands of teens who have dared to walk alone to center mat in the squared circle before roaring student body�s to test their abilities against another in honorable combat. Warriors who have pushed themselves to the limit and beyond and have stood alone on the top step on many a Saturday afternoon, when in a six-minute span of time, which seemed an eternity, boys become men and legends in our sport. To all who have wrestled and worked hard we salute you and to those who have reached higher we acknowledge those accomplishments as well. With that, here is the best of the best; those with sterling credentials and lofty numbers. Top 10 ** ** state champion is the first criteria to be considered for the top 50 ... this coincides with next month;s 50th high school state tournament. 1. BILL HARLOW ... St. Andrew�s ... �62 state champ at 171 ... also won Mid South and national prep titles in �62 � OW in all three tournaments � defeated �61 national prep OW in �62 finals � 5x Mid South champ � 80-1 career record � At Oklahoma State was 1966 NCAA champ � 3x All-American (2-2-1) � 3x NCAA finalist � 2x Big 8 champ � career record: 54-5-2 � 3x National AAU champ � 1x OW � World Silver medal � Tblisi Bronze medal � high school coach at Sapulpa High School in Oklahoma ... member of the Oklahoma chapter of the national wrestling hall of fame. 2. JORDAN LEEN � Baylor � 4x state champ ; 2001-04 � �04 OW � 214 career wins � national high school champ � 4x McCallie Invite champ � At Cornell, 2008 NCAA champion � 3x All-American (8-1-3) � 2x EIWA champ � 2008 EIWA Wrestler of the Year � career record, 118-29. 3. PHILIP SIMPSON ... MBA � 4x state champ (1998-01) � 2x OW � 176 career wins � national high school runner-up � 4x champ, McCallie Invite � At West Point, 3x All-American; 2003-04-05 � 2005 NCAA runner-up � West Point�s only 3x All-American � 3x EIWA champ �134 career wins � currently in the U.S. Army 4. MATT KELLER> � Bradley Central � 4x state champ (1999-02) � �99 OW � 3rd at high school senior nationals � NCAA All-American at Nebraska and UTC � 2x SoCon champ � currently in training for national freestyle tournaments � lives in Cleveland. 5. RANDY BATTEN � Hixson � 2x state champ; 1973-74 � �74 OW � placed 3rd in 1972 � high school record: 107-2 ... won final 87 matches � medaled in three national AAU tournaments � reached final four twice and placed second in the third � At UTC, 3x NCAA D-II national champ (�75-77) � �75 OW � �75 SoCon champ � lives in Birmingham. 6. DAVID VANCE � McCallie � 3x state champ; 1988-91 � �90 OW � four-time state finalist (2-1-1-1) � 3x McCallie Invite champ ... 135-2 record � 103 wins in a row � wrestled one year at Oklahoma ... lives in Chattanooga. 7. MARKESE NELSON � Kirby � 2x state champ; 1994-95 � lost one match his last three years � 3x champ at McCallie (OW) and Father Ryan tourneys � 4th at high school senior nationals � Cadet All-American at Fargo � 2x JUCO All-American at Fresno City College � wrestled at Fresno State � UniversityNationals All-American � Armed Forces national champ. 8. ADRIAN NORFLEET � Whites Creek � 3x state champ; 1986-88 � lives in Texas 9. SCOTT WELLS � Brentwood Academy � 2x state champ; 1998-99 � �98 OW � 4x cadet national champion at Fargo; 2x in Greco/Roman and 2x in Freestyle � undefeated two seasons in Tenn. 10. CHARLES McTORRY ... Overton � Tenn. record for wins (216) � 2x state champ; 1994, 1996 � 2x OW � 3x finalist (1-2-1) � high school national champion � wrestled at Nebraska � head coach at Ensworth. 11-20 11. NICK MARABLE � Christian Brothers � 2x state champ; 2004-05 � 4x medalist (3-2-1-1) � Cadet national champion at Fargo � at Missouri, 2x All-American � placed 3rd (2008) and 7th (2009) � 2x Big 12 champ � currently ranked No. 6 at 165. 12. KEVIN WARD � Soddy Daisy/Red Bank � 3x state champ; 1999-00-01 ... 4x finalist (2-1-1-1) � 4th at high school nationals � Big 8 champ at 157 on 2005 undefeated NCAA champions at Oklahoma State � Big 8 runner-up in 2004 � 4-2 at NCAAs. 13. JOHNNY LENNON � Cleveland � 2x state champ; 1980-81 � �81 OW � 102-2 in high school .. 78 in a row to close out career � Southeastern Junior National Freestyle Champion, summer of 1980 � beat two state champs on the way to the title � wrestled at Tenn. 14. HEATH ESLINGER � Bradley Central � 2x state champ; 1994-95 � �95 OW � at UTC, Southern Conference OW � 3x SoCon champ � 3x NCAA Qualifier � 120-18 � UTC head coach. 15. J.T. HAGEN � McCallie � 3x state champ; 1998-99-00 � OW at Bethlehem (Pa.) tournament � as a senior, beat defending state champs Eric Collins, Claytor Thompson and Charlie Ritchie � wrestled at Cornell. 16. RANDY FAIRES � Red Bank � 2x state champ; 1965-66 � at Chattanooga, 3x Southern champion � was 100-1 in high school and college � also wrestled at Oklahoma State. 17. PAUL TESSMANN � McCallie � Tennessee�s first 2x state champ; 1961-62 � 3rd at prep nationals in �62 � �62 Mid South and City Prep champ � At Sewanee, 4x Southern champ � at the time was the second wrestler to win 4x � never taken down in college � only losses were at small college nationals. 18. RUSTY BLACKMON � Bradley Central � 2x state champ, 2000-01 � �01 OW �4x medalist (4-2-1-1) � 4th at high school nationals � wrestled at Oklahoma State. 19. CODY CLEVELAND � Tullahoma/McCallie � 2x state champ; 2004-05 � 4x state medalist � at UTC, 2008 NCAA All-American � 2x SoCon champ. 20. KYLE JAMES � Soddy Daisy � 3x state champ; 2002-03-04 � beat two-time defending champ Shawn Cordell (Red Bank/Bradley Central) in 2003 finals � 3rd at junior nationals as a Freestyle All-American at Fargo, N.D. 21-30 21. MARC LYLE � Baylor � 3x state champ; 1978-79-80 � 2x OW; �79-80 � 85-3. 22. HOWARD LANGFORD � Cleveland � �86 state champ and OW � At UTC, 1992 NCAA D-I All-American � 2x SoCon champ, 1989, 92 23. JOHNNY BRADFORD � Chattanooga Central � 2x state champ; 1976-77 � high school All-American � at UT, �82 SEC champ � 1x NCAA qualifier. 24. KENNY WHITWORTH � East Ridge � 3x state champ; 1965-67 � OW in �65 and �66 at 98 lbs. � state�s first 2x OW � 51-2. 25. MARTIN FRANCIS � Notre Dame � first 4x state champ; 1969-72 � beat defending national prep champ Brian Card in �72 finals � beat defending state champ Danny Brown in �70 finals. 26. RAYMOND DUNNING � Father Ryan � 3x state champ � 4x finalist (2-1-1-1) � 4x McCallie champ � NCAA D-II All-American at Adams State. 27. PAT MURPHY � Hixson � 2x state champ � 3x finalist � high school All-American ... 64-3-4 � at UTC, 4x SoCon champ �. 4x NCAA qualifier � 2x SEIWA champ. 28. KEVIN JOHNSON � Chattanooga Central � 3x state champ; 1990-91-92 29. BUBBA MILLER � Brentwood Academy � 2x state champ; 1990-91 30. JAKE YOST � Soddy Daisy � 2x state champ; 2001-02 � OW in �02 � 4x medalist (5-5-1-1) � 4th at high school nationals � Greco-Roman All-American at Fargo � At UTC, SoCon champ � NCAA qualifier 31-40 31. CARLOS THOMPSON � Cleveland � 2x state champ, 1993, �95 � 3x finalist (1-2-1) 32. PEZ WHATLEY � Notre Dame � 2x state champ; 1967, �69 � 3x finalist (1-2-1) � first heavyweight to win OW � wrestled at UTC and in the pros. 33. RICKY JOHNSON � Chattanooga Central � 2x state champ; 1989, 91 � �91 OW 34. JAKE YOUNG � Ooltewah � 2x state champ; 2007, 09 � 3x medalist (3-1-1) �wrestles for UTC 35. DARREN McKNIGHT � Red Bank � 3x state champ;1999-00-01 � wrestled at Michigan State � co-captain � Big 10 medalist � 3x NCAA Qualifier. 36. PATRICK SIMPSON � MBA � 3x state champ; 2000-02 � 2x OW ... four-time state finalist (2-1-1-1) � 3x winner at McCallie and Father Ryan tourney � At West Point, was 2x EIWA medalist � 2x NCAA qualifier. 37. CHRIS MEADOWS � Red Bank � 3x state champ; 1965-66-67 38. MOE TRAIL � Baylor � in �62, he won state, Mid South, city prep and national prep � also won Mid South and city prep in �61 � At Purdue, was 2nd in Big 10 as a junior. 39. JACK BAKER � Red Bank � state�s first 3x state champ; 1963-64-65 � 2x Southern champ at Sewanee � NCAA PostGraduate Scholar 40. GEORGE LEWIS � McCallie � 3x state champ; 1991-93 � �92 OW � wrestled at West Virginia 41-50 41. WHIT DUNNING � Father Ryan � 3x state champ; 2003-04-05 � 4x medalist (6-1-1-1) � wrestled for West Point 42. MATT McCARTY � Clarksville � 2x state champ; 1999-00 � �00 OW � 4x state medalist (6-4-1-1) � th at high school nationals � wrestled at Michigan State. 43. WAYLON LOWE � Jefferson County ... 1x state champ; �98 � �97 runner-up � 3x medalist (4-1-2) � NAIA national champion ... 2x NCAA D-II national champion 44. JEFF HOWARD � Cleveland � 1976 state champ and OW ... 3x finalist � (2-1-2) 45. CHARLEY MOORE � Baylor � in �62, undefeated in winning state, Mid South, city prep and national prep � also won Mid South and city prep in �61 and second at national preps � 46. SHAZZON BRADLEY � McMinn County � 2x state champ; 1987-88 � 47. DAVID KENT � McCallie � 2x state champ; 1975-76 � 4x finalist (2-2-1-1) � 79-8 career ... five losses were to Randy Batten � high school All-American 48. RONNIE STEVENSON � MacGavock � 2x state champ; 1988-89 � �89 OW 49. JOHN FARR � Red Bank � 3x state champ; 1963-65 � 2x city prep champ � two losses in three years � at Chattanooga, 2x Southern Champion 50. QUINN GIBSON � Bradley Central � 3x state champ; 2002-03-04 � 2x OW; 2003-04 Another 36 To Consider: ** KENNY HILL � LFO/East Ridge 4x state champ � 3x in Ga. (Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe) � 1x champ in Tenn. (East Ridge, 1981) � wrestled at Kentucky ... head coach at Heritage HS in Ringgold ** Hill won one title in Tenn., but a combined 4x�er in two states � BRANDON WRIGHT ... Houston ... 2x champ; 2006-07 ... 3x medalist (3-1-1)... 4th at senior nationals ... wrestles at UTC TRAVIS CREAGAN ... Bradley Central ... 2x state champ; 2005-06 ... 3x finalist ... 4x medalist (3-1-1-2) ... medaled at junior nationals ... Bears career wins leader ... started as a freshman at Columbia. SEAN SMITH � Tyner � �92 state champ � RYAN SCOTT � McCallie � 4x state champ �5x medalist (3-1-1-1-1) � 8th at high school nationals � 176 wins � wrestled at Appalachian State. CHRIS MULLIN ... Notre Dame � 2x state champ and 2x OW; 1984-85 � 114-7-1 � 64wins in a row. CHRIS VANDERGRIFF � Knox. Halls � 2x state champ; 1976-77 � first state champ from Knoxville � at UT, 3rd in SEC. CASEY BREWSTER � Overton � 2x state champ � 3x finalist � 4x medalist (5-1-1-2) � 199 wins � NAIA All-American at Edinboro � head coach at Sacred Heart STEVE AGNEW � Brainerd � 3x state champ; 1968-70 � �70 OW � beat 2x defending state champ Joe Roberts in �70 finals. RANDY THOMPSON � Tenn. School For the Blind � �63 state champ and OW � current assistant coach at TSB � DAVID GRAHAM � Bradley Central � 3x state champ; 2007-08-09 JAMES JABALEY � Notre Dame � 3x state champ, all at 105 lbs.; 1976-78 SHANNON SAYNE � Knox Halls � 2x state champ; 1996, �98 � 3x finalist (1-2-1) DANNY COLEMAN � Cleveland � 2x champ; 2003, 05 � 4x finalist (2-1-2-1) SHANE FORD � Germantown � 1x champ; 1997 � 6th in �96 MICHAEL MURRAY � Whites Creek � �87 state champ and OW JUSTIN SPAIN � Bradley Central � 1x state champ; 2007 � 3x medalist (2-2-1) � wrestles for Princeton DEE PARKER ... Red Bank � �96 state champ � 2x state medalist � LANCE SCHAEFFER � Chattanooga City � �61 state champ and city prep champ � �60 city prep champ � wrestled at Virginia. PATRICK MARCHETTI � Father Ryan � 2x state champ � 4x medalist (3-3-1-1) � wrestles for West Point DANIEL WADDELL � Baylor � 2x state champ; 2006-07 � 4x finalist (2-2-1-1) � 8th at senior nationals � wrestles at UTC KELLY FELIX � Franklin � 3x state champ; 2005-07 � 2x OW �4x finalist (2-1-1-1) � wrestles at UTC DANNY COLEMAN � Cleveland � 2x state champ; 2003, 05 � �05 OW � 4x finalist (2-1-2-1) ZAC DAILEY � Mt. Juliet � 2x state champ � �98 OW � 3x finalist (2-1-1) � beat defending state champ Eric Collins in �98 finals. JIM ELDRIDGE � Chattanooga City � �61 state and city prep champ � �60 city prep champ � wrestled at Univ. of Chattanooga DAVID LEVITT � McCallie � 2x state champ; 1992, �94 � 3x finalist (1-2-1) � NCAA qualifier at Boise State DANIEL CROSBY � Greeneville � 2x state champ; 2002-03 � 3x medalist (3-1-1) � 3x McCallie champ � 193 wins SHAWN CORDELL � Red Bank/Bradley Central � 3x state champ � 4x finalist (1-1-2-1) COREY MANSON � Baylor � 2x state champ; 2005-06 � 4x finalist (2-2-1-1) � wrestles at Cornell ERIC COLLINS � Red Bank � 2x state champ; 1997, �99 � 4x finalist; (2-1-2-1) MATT SWEETON � Tullahoma � 3x state champ; 1998-00-01� 4x medalist (1-4-1-1) RALPH BREWER � Tenn. School for the Blind � �62 state champ � 3rd in �61 � wrestled at Auburn as a freshman � coached at TSB ... � has received the Courage Award for Tennessee from the national wrestling hall of fame. TIM VOILES � Lookout Valley � 2x state champ; 1995-96 � 5x qualifier � 202 wins � wrestled at Carson-Newman JOE ROBERTS � Donelson � 2x state champ; 1968-69 � �68 OW � �70 runner-up � 5x state qualifier. MICHAEL SPENCER � Kirby � �93 state champ and OW � 127-11-1 .. SoCon freshman of the year at UTC. JEFF LOYD ... Clarksville NW � 1x champ; 1990 � �89 finalist � 4th at senior nationals in 1991 .. 6th at NAIA nationals � has received the Courage Award for Tennessee from the national wrestling hall of fame. JIMMY HILLER � Father Ryan � 2x champ, 2003-04 � 3x finalist � 4x medalist (5-2-1-1) Honorable Mention: Brentwood (Sean Kim; 1999 state champ � 2x finalist) Baylor (Bailey Whitaker, 4x state champ; 2005-08 � wrestles for U.S Naval Academy) Brainerd (Gordon Connell, state champ, 1966 � Masters World Champion, 60+ � member of the Tenn. Chapter of the national wrestling hall of fame) Brighton (Bucky Johnson, 2x state champ; 2006-07 � SoCon champ at UTC) Cleveland (Bill Emendorfer, �68 state champ � 3x finalist (2-1-2) � 2nd in SEC at UT; Nathan Jones, 2x state champ; 2001, 03 � 3x finalist (1-2-1) � D-II All-American at Carson- Newman) East Ridge (Lynn Goss, 2x state champ; 1966-67 � 3x finalist (2-1-1) � wrestled at UTC; Charlie Goss, �64 state champ � member of the Tenn. Chapter, national wrestling hall of fame; Roger Kendrick, 2x champ, 1983-84 ; Charlie Ritchie, 2x state champ; 1998-99) Father Ryan ( David Thoni, �83 state champ and OW � 3x finalist and 4x medalist) Franklin (Rycine Ellison, 1989 state champ) Glencliff (Mike Green, 2x state champ ; 1970-71) Hixson (Mike Blosser, �82 state champ and OW � 26-0-1 in �82 and pinned nine of 10 opponents in district, region and state; Tom Popp, �76 state champ and OW) Hunters Lane (Mike Newman, 1988 state champ) Knox Catholic ( Junior Hernandez, �95 state champ) Lookout Valley (Dusty Griffith, '90 state champ ...) McCallie (Spencer Manley, 2x champ; 2003, 04 … 4x medalist (3-1-1-2) … wrestled for U.S. Naval Prep Academy and U.S. Naval Academy; John McCall, school's first state champ in '61 ... Mid South champ ... national prep runner-up in '61; Jon Bennett, '72 state champ and OW, Jason Finnell, 3x champ; 1999-00-01) Morristown West (Allen Koors, 2x state champ; 1979-80) North Stratford (Tony Kennedy, �77 state champ and OW) Overton (Eric Jordan, 2x state champ; 1996-97 � Derrick Jordan, �97 state champ � �96 runner-up) Red Bank (George Farr, �61 state and city prep champ � 2x Sourthern champ at Univ. of Chattanooga; Jim Beatty, 2x state champ; 1963, �65; Kevin Jones, �96 state champ ) Tenn. School for the Blind (Mitchell Cole, �61 state champ & OW; Mickey Bailey � 2x champ; 63-64 � �64 OW; Jody Chamberlain, 2x state champ; 1963-65 � youngest state champ as a 6th grader in �63; Chester Lewis, �62 state champ)

Fantastic wrestlers definitely should be on this list, but I'd like to see how well they do in college to figure out where on this list they should be.

He was also formally called David when he took down Goliath

An hour of sprints I doubt it, running maybe. But are you saying having long, tough practices is a bad thing? How else do you make champions?

What about Jordan Leen NCAA Champ? Kelly Felix 2x state champ OW state tournament, and won JR Nationals? Kelly not the greatest ever but certainly up there.

Now MountainAir, We all know you are Mrs. Shelton who was the coach who resigned. Please stop referring to yourself in the third person. On another note am I the only one who was raised to believe that if there was a problem with yourself and a coach that you would go deal with that issue face to face with the coach in private and not A. blow up in front of everyone in a gym and B. not have parents up crying to the principal about an exaggerated story from a 14-17 year old. Lastly, Mrs. Shelton is doing donuts in a park not destroying property? I support John Lennon.

This will be my last little tid bit on this situation, but I understand the disciplinary problem was the wrestler skipped class and did donuts in the SM park and was caught by the police. A little different from not showing up for study hall. John Lennon had nothing but the best interests of the kids at heart his whole career. Much Love

Well its pretty clear that the one who "suffered the most humiliation" is your kid and this submission is slanted. I highly doubt they lost the "majority" of their team, and from what I understand most lost were due to the whole I want to focus on football thing. Total BS but another topic for another day. Any ways its clear your child has a beef with him and this information is coming from a high school kid who if he is like any other high school child blows everything out of proportion and manipulates the facts at hand. I think its impossible for a coach to get things moving in the right direction when everything he tries to do is questioned and argued by either a parent or a faculty member. Again I support John Lennon