imasoftballer

So you would continue to let the guy make mince meat out of your head? Please! The same could be said when you left public schools. Instead of coming back everyday and fighting for what was your right(an education) you QUIT! You went and found an eaiser fight!!! [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 2:34P]

Whats to prove? It has already be said on here that there are private schools that have full classes(grade level) and will not accept anymore students in those classes. How much more plain can it be. Here is your reason. Private schools want to keep up their high GPA's and test scores. Lower teacher to student ratios have been proven to improve both. Private schools don't want 35 students per class. More students, they would have to hire more teachers and build more buildings. I'm assuming you don't want to become the monsters 5A schools in the metro area have become. RIGHT? [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 2:25P]

So, bowl games in football and playoffs in all the other sports? I don't know how well that would go over. Everyone wants to test their medal but on the other hand they don't want to get their brains bashed in everytime they do it. Like in fighting, I may try to take a big guy just to see where I stand. He whips me, whips me bad. I go train and work out then go back and try one more time. He beats me even worse this time. Guess what? I look for someone else to fight. Does this make me a whinner, a cowward? No, I think it is just survival. [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 2:16P]

What would you do in the other sports?

I don't decide. I have never said what would be fair. I do know that the system is place does not work. Do I have a solution? NO. Do you? NO. Going to one class would be a solution that I would not have a tremendous problem with. One state with one state champ. Fairly simple. It pretty much eliminates the small rural schools from competiting in the state championship but at least we would know where we stand each year and know what to expect. The classifications were put into place to level the playing field somewhat and it worked to some degree. But now there is an obvious trend of private schools dominating state playoffs in all sports. Why? Many factors, several that I have posted here before and will not go into again. Is a split the only solution? I don't know. I have not heard another one that most like. The multiplier? I guess most think that that situation is going to lead to another BA type deal. I have never claimed to have all the answers and I have never placed blame on any private school. Sure, I use some schools as examples but that is not to say that that school had done anything wrong or illeagal. One other thing. As long as the private schools are in TSSAA, I think they SHOULD have representation on the board of control. I don't know why that problem has not been discussed before now. [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 1:54P]

I'm just going by what Real had to say. He said that football players who were not playing baseball were required to run track or at least practice with the track team. This by TSSAA regulations is illeagal. Not a rule made up by myself. I'm not grasping at anything. I sure do like the way Chakra came to the rescue. Sure even public shools require those offseason workouts but you guys won't even admit it when you admit it.

You said required. Not recommended. [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 10:44A]

Is it a go for tonight or not? I think getting ten should be no problem.

With the post you just made, I take it you are in favor of going to just one class??? I have no problem with this solution either. Everybody has to play everybody! The small schools may only win a championship once every 50 years but oh what a movie it would make. I to, don't like the David and Golith analogy. That story is of David with God(who is much greater than Golith) defeating a giant. Without faith and God on David's side what would have happened. Without God directing the stone what would have happened? I dare say that if the stone hit him in the knee, David would have been killed. It was also kind of like the guy who takes a knive to a gun fight deal.

Give VG and me a towel, the tears are getting deep!!!! WHAAAAAH!!! Anybody got cheese??? LOL [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 8:58A]

If you would read some of my post instead of jump into the middle of coversations with your insults you would know that I am a softball coach, who happens to play softball. We are a 2A school so we don't even play Ezell so there is no envy on my part. I have stated time and time again that Ezell has a great program, good coaches, and as far as this agrument is concerned has done nothing wrong that I know of. But the current system that TSSAA has in place now is not working. I have also said that MAYBE we(public schools) are jumping the gun a little quick on this but looking at the whole picture(Ezell softball included) I don't think we are. You still have not addressed the issue of forced workouts that you eluded to???? Are you avoiding the question? [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 8:49A] [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 8:50A]

If the privates do not form their own assosiation, and stay in TSSAA, they can still play public schools during the regular season. Unless I'm wrong there would only be a total spilt come playoff time. I too, am for a battle of the champions after the state tournaments.

You are right! Discipline wins games. That is why Navy, Air Force and Army always have such great teams in the college rankings. Do you think there could be anymore discipline than there is on those teams? Do you really think that there are only 200 or 300 families in the Nasshville Metro area that can afford to pay for a particular private school? Really? Private schools can, through their facility size and preset class sizes, classify themselves by limiting the number of student they accept. Public schools can not do this. If on the re-classifing year 50 more students enroll in a public school and that puts them over the class they were in by 5 students, they can not turn 10 away and stay in the same class. Privates can. Privates can turn anyone away they want and can accept anyone they want. Publics do not have this option. As far as I ma concerned this has nothing to do with cheating or a private school doing something WRONG. It is a flaw in the system. The athletic system. So don't try to attach anything educational to the argument [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-20-02 8:28A]

12 out of 15 is not good enough it has to be all. O.K. you have won me over. No change needed! Play ball as usuall! BTW there has not been a public school to win a softball championship since 1986!!! Thatis assuming that Memphis Skyview is public which I don't think they were. If they weren't, then we have to go back to 1981 to find a public champ. This would also mean in 23 years of softball championships only 2 have been won by public schools. Any info on Memphis Skyview would be appreciated. [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-19-02 3:03P]

How are you making our teachers better? Your teachers come from the same place ours do. If all teachers had a room full of kids who were either themselves motivated to learn or had their parents support to learn then 99% of the teachers in the state would be great teachers. But as it stands right now, that is not going to happen in public schools anytime soon. The teachers here have to teach everyone who walks through the door. Guess what? Education is not for everyone. Some people were born to be ditch diggers or welfare takers. Yet, the goverment forces all to attend. Until there are drastic changes on the federal,state and local goverment levels, nothing is going to change. Private schools are in no way comparable to public schools!

In what ways will the split be bad for the kids? Example for each side, please.

This was a quote from that article... I haven't noticed private schools sweeping all the championships in any sport. Appearently, he has never heard of Ezell's softball team. Some good investigative reporting in this article!!! [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-19-02 2:19P] [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-19-02 2:21P]

Who are you talking to? You put several things on here addressed to me that I have never said! Sure, rural schools have their share of bad things also. Kids bring weapons to school, there are drugs, the guy who killed a cop here 2 years ago was caught on the school campus, a man who attemped a murder this year was captured on school grounds, but we have nowhere else to go. You still never answered the question about forced workouts??? BTW, I am not little and I'm not your friend! Rural, I guess I am. And who got cut by their baseball team? You? [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-19-02 1:50P]

Well, obviously someone is going there for track. They have track teams and are winning individual and team state championships. I guess the ones winning those are just kids killin' time and don't care about track. They are just there because they are made to be there??? You never did answer the second part of my statement? Does Ezell force football players to workout with the track during the off-season or risk being cut??? That is the way you made it sound in your previous post.

WHAT??? I did not understand one point you were tring to make. What does this mean? "If you think there are kids going to one of the 1A privates then you are goofier than I thought you were." I'm glad you had a track team in Jr. High. I can't believe you didn't go to Ezell during your entire school years like everyone tries to make us believe most students there do. Where was this track team? Was it in a rural farm or 1 industry town? Or was it in a large urban area? In public schools you can not force participation in sport. You can not force off-season workouts. Did Ezell? Forcing kids to practice with the track team to make the football team is illeagal!!! A violation of TSSAA rules.

The multiplier is a solution but one as low as 1.5 won't get it. Some of the private schools would not even be moved up a class with this low of a number. The others would only be moved up one class, hence, moving the problem from one classification to another. These teams(private) would have to be moved to 3A or higher to be playing teams with the same type of drawing pool. Would playing 3A or higher be better than going to DII? Is this an option? [Edited by imasoftballer on 11-19-02 9:29A]

No, I did not say that, a private suppoter that goes by the name NATEsomething did. Sure Ezell will lose, but I bet when they do it will be another private that knocks them off. Just look at the softball side of it. Everyone wants to claim this began within the last couple of years. Well, for some maybe but for others this has been a long drawn out thing that was going to boil to a head sooner or later. Ezell has been dominating softball for 15 years or more and you think they did this without anyone noticing or caring? This is NOT a football issue. This is a school's total athletic program debate public vs. private. Why is it there are no track and field teams in most of the 1A publics and yet several of the privates have one? Student participation(ability to get athletes from a larger area), I think, is #1 and money is #2

Now all us public supporters can say prove it. Give us names of kids who are playing for schools they are not zoned for. That was the statement made by many private supporters earlier. Chakra you have never made the stand that you are now. Seems you have jumped on the ship VG created. I am not saying it is right, what magnet schools or "open zone" schools do, but VG is comparing schools in 4A and 5A to 1A schools. Maryville does not compare to any 1A public that I know of.

Posted by NATE... "Maybe instead of being in a controversy they should have been on the practice field because they got it handed to them tonight. Wizard, you don't have to eat crow. CPA did drop the mediocre 'wood like a hot potato." You private supporters need to get together and get your stories straight. Before it was said that Collinwood and South Pitt. had strong conteding teams now it said they were mediocre. def.- being of low quality

VG For the 1000th time, "I never said it was fair for anyone else either!" There are rules that apply to the "open zone" public schools that do not apply to private schools. Once again we are talking about schools that are usually 4A and 5A so these schools are drawing from large numbers anyway. It does not make it right, in my view, but the numbers are not comparable. We are talking of small private schools drawing kids from large metro areas and then playing small rural public schools. Sure there are pirvate schools out there who have not established a winning tradition and they are not dominating public schools, yet. I dare say once a private school in the Jackson area starts winning championships, and they will, you will see them getting more athletes applying to attend those schools. In 1A it will only take 2 or 3 of these athletes to make a program successful.