Pantherbert

Thanks. I really do appreciate the reply and the number did help. I mainly just wanted to have some idea I'm aware of the current popularity of the dribble-drive motion offense. Yes, a zone of some kind is often times put in place in an attempt to stop it. It's in those cases you run a zone buster of some kind. Of course, if you can shoot over the zone consistently then there really is no real way to stop a DDM but I doubt there many teams that are so good they are able to do that. So, you attack the gaps in the zone until it a shot opens up....It could be a runner in the lane, a shot on the wing, a cut to the back door....etc If a coach is holding the ball with a lead ( especially a slim lead like 6 pts ) that says to me he doesn't believe his/her team can keep up the pace and hold the lead. So, they're scared. Go get them!!!! If the team in the zone won't come out and guard because they know they'll get whipped on the penetration then, I'm sorry, you need to work on more than just a 2-3 or 3-2 zone defense. If all the above are true in the same game then both teams involved need to leave the gym and let some real teams play

How boring are the ones here? Really. I'm curious as to how many times you've seen a team just hold the ball this season. Just wondering /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> Now, now.....let's play nice

It's the same basic principle. Putting more on the officials isn't the best thing to do. These guys have enough to worry about. Bottom line is the burden of the game is on the defense. If you cannot stop the other team from scoring you do not deserve to win the game. People complain so much about how unfair it is because it to come out of a zone would expose their own deficiencies. If a team should over the zone and you can't stop them should we begin discussion on a ban of long-range shots ?

Seven California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Washington, and Rhode Island. Washington and Maryland only use it for girl's ball.

Right but if the other team is so weak that their only recourse is to hold the ball then I would believe the stronger team can chance some pressure defense. If they can't then they really must not be that much better. I understand having a primary defensive/ offensive schemes but you need to be able to adjust that scheme to fit the situation. If all team can do is play a 2-3 zone all day they can't be that much better of a team than their " weaker" opponent. To come out of that zone would....................expose a weakness.

I know. What I'm doing is trying to get people to realize that the common reasons stated for wanting one really are not very good reasons to so change the high school game. What I'm NOT doing is questioning any person's passion for the game neither am I attempting to insult anyone's intelligence.

If a player is has talent enough to play at the next level the shot clock adjustment will be the least of their concerns in the jump to the college game

Come on, Not fair ? The defense can come out and guard. If you're really so bad that you're whole scheme is to hold the ball to win games you won't win many anyway. The whole entertainment argument just doesn't hold water. If the weaker team is on defense they'll get carved up like a christmas turkey. If the weaker team is the offensive team they most likely won't be able to handle pressure and turn the ball over. In either case you're not going to see anything that'll ever appear on ESPN Classic with or without the shot clock The handshake line after the game promotes good manners. The inability to stall the basketball will do very little to aid in that area ( and be sure not to squeeze the toothpaste tube from the middle )

So, again, I pose the question. As a spectator what would you rather see? A slow down game with the chance of a blowout or a game that is over before its begun? It'll be one or the other and either way it won't be that exciting for a random spectator. Unless, of course, you're a fan of the better squad and you're REALLY going for your team /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />

/roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> Yeah, I normally don't write novels but this topic has always had my attention

I agree with and share your opinion on the jump ball rule. As a matter of fact, I believe that should be changed at the NCAA level as well. Now, here's my thing on the shot clock. Number one, a shot clock has nothing to do with quality of the game or for the experience of players and coaches. It's all about spectators experience. Secondly, the burden here is on the defense. You don't want someone to hold the ball then come out and guard. Finally, if you're a coaching a team that is down by 10 and you don't challenge then you're an idiot and deserve to lose the game anyway. Most often these are games where you see someone holding the ball in order to stall are games in which one team is much weaker or less athletic then their opponent and they're attempting to keep the score and flow of the game low and slow in attempt to even the odds. So here are our options: Keep things as they are and hope it's not a rout or put in a shot clock and assure yourself seeing of a rout. Either way, you're not going to witness a " good game ". There are instances of coaches stalling the ball in a bit of " chest thumping" contest with a rival coach or in order to protest a bad official but most often the above scenario is the norm. All that aside here is my biggest issue with a shot clock. The responsibility of those charged with keeping it. Think about the scoreboard operator for a moment for example. This will be a bit long-winded but I'm going some where with it. When you're keeping the scoreboard you have a lot on your plate. Some scoreboards keep up with individual player numbers, points, and fouls ( and if you do that then my hat is off to you ) but most just keep the score and team fouls. You make sure subs get in if refs don't notice and keep time on time-outs but at the end of the day the scoreboard operator has one key mandate. Keep the game time correctly. Even the score on that board is not what ultimately matters. The score in the official score book is. So, when doing this job you must pay attention and not get caught up in the game. You must at all times be listening for the whistle. You need someone one that can be trusted not to be fan or a homer but ,in fact, an official. I'm sure you've been to games where the clock operator wasn't paying attention for one reason or another, be a tight game or not. It's a problem and source of controversy but one we have to deal with because, well, we can't live without the clock....... /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> Now, with the shot clock. You have pay as much attention to the actual game. The difference is that timekeepers are not required to make judgment calls. A shot clock operator does. I speak from experience having done so in Division-II men's and women's games. Now, it's not always so complex. Many times, a shot taken clearly hits the rim and , boom, reset the shot clock. Ok, but let's assume it's on the far side of the goal from where you sit. Did it hot the rim or not? You have to make the call. On a lose ball, did a team have possession and warrant a fresh shot clock or not ? Situations like these are more common than you'd like to think. In the end, the officials themselves can always correct you but that's just one more thing for them to worry about. It's just another potential source of controversy and game interruption which is ironic sense the key argument for the shot clock is to make the game more " fan friendly ". Bottom line, I don't trust John Q. to do that job correctly and it isn't something we just have to include. The game can go on without it. This is all aside from the fact that you'd have to pay the extra person and pay to have the clock installed. ( which would cost well over $1,000 per school or gym). What happens when it malfunctions? ( aside from the cost to fix it ) In the NCAA, such cases are resolved by the shot clock time being kept at the score's table on a stopwatch and the final 10 seconds are announced over the PA. Well, not every school has PA announcer either. I know this is long and drawn out but I just wanted to be thorough. It's more trouble than it's worth at this level.

I call dibs on the thimble

I wholeheartedly agree in as much as skill development is concerned but to be fair the question of whose job it is to develop players and how they get into college was never the point of the thread. Although, while we are touching on the subject of coach duties I have one addition. If you have a player who has the grades and talent enough to play any sort of college ball, be it NAIA, Division-III, or what have you..............then it's an obligation a coach has to that student to try to find a scholarship for them somewhere. Anyway back to the original topic...............................

Before this thread gets locked down........................... It's more than in a simple " kid's game" in that a lot of hard work goes into what kids and coaches and parents put into a program. It's about the had work and the competition, yes, but also the relationships forged, the life lesson taught, the impressions made upon young minds. The basketball gym is another form of the classroom in many respects. Some people, many people in fact, take it too far. Some coaches cross the line. Some players get too caught up in the heated emotions of the game. Some parents heap expectations on their kids that simply cannot be met. Sadly enough that happens in high school sports but sadder still is how common it is in the " real world ". Nothing is more important than how we live life and living it right. Everything is else is " just" something. Just a game, just a job, just a car, just some money although we may need them at some point in time for one reason or another. In that light, I don't worry too much about what official is calling a game. In that regard basketball is a lot like life. It won't always be fair. Some days, some person may just have it in for you and others they may help you. It should be fair but sometimes it's just not. In those cases, it 's a learning experience dealing with adverse circumstances. This is not to offer a " cop out" for poor officiating. There needs to be responsibility in that area but I just say all this to point out that while basketball is not life, it can sure help you learn an awful lot about it.

Granted in some cases, like JV games, you need any official you can get. Although I can recall one game (JV) I witnessed this season where there were 2 officials on the floor : One was an assistant principle of the host school and the other was the parent of a player on the host school's team. That made for a fun night /popcorneater.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":popcorneater:" border="0" alt="popcorneater.gif" /> In regards to your question, I had always thought the TSSAA didn't allow people to officiate games at schools they attended themselves but sometimes you take what you can get I suppose.

I know you mean Hospitality room but I read that and thought you said Hostility Room /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" />

Good grief. It's all bad enough but what the wife of the one coach did to that girl is beyond my comprehension.

Jasmine has been a pure joy to watch these past 4 years. I wish her the very, very best when she begins her college career at Georgia. One of the All-Time Panther greats

In a freshmen game on thursday night, guard Jeff Dockett ( part of a very talented freshmen class at Bartlett) scored a triple-double with 23 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 steals. I've only seen a triple-double in person once before at any level. Congrats to this young man on this achievement. Best wishes to him as he grows as a player and person.

One problem I would have with a shot clock is quite frankly having to find ( and pay) someone trustworthy and consistent enough to do it. It's hard enough at times with the clock-operator and scoreboard positions as it is. Can you imagine the chaos of of having someone not paying attention with the re-set button? I've kept a shot clock for D-2 college games and you really have to be on top of it. Did the ball touch the rim? Did a team "have or lose possession" off a contested rebound ? Lose balls and what constitutes having "control" of a loose ball? Sometimes resetting the shot comes down to a judgement call. I'd be against it if for nothing more than it would be a pain. It all just seems like it would be a bit more trouble than it's worth for something so minor.

Man, we're talkin about about popcorn. Not a game. Not a game. Popcorn. Popcorn man. Popcorn. Not a game. Popcorn.................... Keep it poppin, DU

Man, those R-E/CHS games are always crazy. Had to be fun to watch though ( depending on who you cheer for and refs aside)

Why? What did he proof? /roflolk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflolk:" border="0" alt="roflolk.gif" /> ( I kid, I kid) Great game. Those games are always a blast.

Wow indeed. Very good win

It was by far among the best Bartlett/Bolton crowds in years