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Fisher beats Heckert in my opinion. In fact I don't think it's even a close match. It sets up a great match between fisher and Westlake

I'm not on here enough to know if what I'm seeing is the latest or a month old but on the pin-tn site this seems to be how they are ranking the kids. This seems all jacked up to me. Am I looking at the wrong site, wrong date? 2/9/17 Update Team Rankings: 1. Father Ryan 2. McCallie 3. Christian Brothers 4. Baylor 5. MBA 6. Brentwood Academy 7. BGA 8. MUS 106- 1. Clayton Pettway (Baylor) 2. Paul Killian (Ryan) 3. Eddie Suh (McCallie) 4. Gehrig Salvaggio (CBHS) 5. Maverick Rorie (Briarcrest) 6. Frank Perazinni (MBA) 113- 1. Christian Simpson (Ryan) 2. John Pettway (Baylor) 3. Alex Whitworth (McCallie) 4. Carlo Guinocor (MUS) 5. Adam Garfinkle (MBA) 6. Jackson Herring (CBHS) 120- 1. Gabriel Elkin (MBA) 2. Zach Ward (McCallie) 3. Luke Collins (Baylor) 4. Dalton Kilpatrick (St. Ben) 5. Connor Galvez (Ensworth) 6. Tyler Lubin (CBHS) 126- 1. Raymond Eason (Ryan) 2. Joseph Tarquine (MBA) 3. Zack Tieng (Knox Webb) 4. Haden Hardine (Baylor) 5. David Carnahan (DCA) 6. Ty Reed (BGA) 132- 1. Brock Herring (McCallie) 2. Michael Elkin (MBA) 3. Robert Griggs (CBHS) 4. Gerard Bullock (Ensworth) 5. Joey Vogelpohl (Ryan) 6. Logan Spell (Brentwood Ac) 138- 1. Austin Atchley (Baylor) 2. John Glover (MBA) 3. Victor Ortale (Ensworth) 4. Connor Rasberry (CBHS) 5. Matthew Doucette (St. George) 6. Jacob Roberts (McCallie) 145- 1. Trevor Brown (CBHS) 2. Alex Atchley (Baylor) 3. Bryce Whittman (MBA) 4. Thomas Sell (McCallie) 5. Conner Mitchell (BGA) 6. Brett Newman (Briarcrest) 152- 1. Eli King (Ryan) 2. Ethan Dendy (McCallie) 3. Jake Knaff (MUS) 4. Matthew Wigley (CBHS) 5. Furman Jones (Brentwood Ac) 6. Kolton Grimsley (BGA) 160- 1. Mason Reiniche (Baylor) 2. Perry Matthews (MBA) 3. Drew Nicholson (CBHS) 4. Russell Barry (McCallie) 5. Thomas Wells (MUS) 6. Houston Crouch (Ryan) 170- 1. Tommy Brackett (CBHS) 2. Riley Westlake (Baylor) 3. Hayden Rowland (McCallie) 4. Thomas Butler (Brentwood Ac) 5. Anthony Hagey (Ryan) 6. Clay Garstin (MBA) 182- 1. Khamari Whimper (Baylor) 2. Judah Duhm (McCallie) 3. Andrew Wesnoske (Ryan) 4. Ian Tiatia (Briarcrest) 5. Erik Richardson (MUS) 6. Dominic Fisher (MBA) 195- 1. George Hooker (Ryan) 2. Keegan Jones (CBHS) 3. Braden Murphy (Brentwood Ac) 4. Nathaniel Taylor (Ensworth) 220- 1. Greyson Walthall (CBHS) 2. Max Schott (Brentwood Ac) 3. Tyree Tolliver (Baylor) 4. Josiah Fohhoum (Briarcrest) 5. Eli Christenbury (MUS) 6. Wyeth Patton (MBA) 285- 1. River Henry (McCallie) 2. Airin Spell (Brentwood Ac) 3. Patrick Healy (CBHS) 4. Tymon Mitchell (FRA) 5. Alex Green (Briarcrest) 6. Ryan Jackson (Friendship Chr)

Not sure how to add a name but John Hagey (Father Ryan) is wrestling at the Air Force Academy. A couple of weeks ago came in 2nd at the UNC (University of Northern Colorado) Open. and went 1 and 2 at the Cowboy open in Wyoming.

Reeves said a whole lot of nothing in regards to improving anything. That whole article could have been summed up with him saying. "that's something we are going to talk about" talk talk talk.

Can McCallie at full strength beat Ryan at full strength? I don't know that we have seen McCallie put a full line up out yet.

Back to the key match up and predictions. Anyone want to take that on. Any outsiders looking in to take the loyalty bias out of it?

What about Baylor's 182? He won the state as an 8th grader is what I understand. Reappears at 182 sometime later. How is he doing so far?

Yes true statement, my mistake. I took it as "a clear cut favorite" in the state but he was talking about just this dual. thanks

How do you know king moves down? What about McCallie kid at 138? Is he not a factor? Has he moved weight classes?

Simpsons are cousins

John Hagey Father Ryan is wrestling at the Air Force Academy

I think they wanted to get through the round of 16 so those with really large brackets wrestled and extra match.

Kennedy 3-0 Solomon 2-1

Hagey 2-0, Eckhart, Fisher Stacey 0-1 so I think they don't wrestle again until tomorrow.

From the ryan kids first match Hal Fisher lost a close one, Michael Eckhart lost in overtime, John Hagey won, Ben Stacey has not wrestled.

106 - Gabriel Elkin MBA 113 - Eli King Father Ryan 120 - Trey Chalifoux Father Ryan 126 - Kirby Simpson Father Ryan Lane Dickerson Wilson Central 132 - Austin Richard Wilson Central 138 - Michael Eckhart Father Ryan 145 - Luke Hamilton Brentwood High 152 - Tyler Garrison Blackman High 160 - Patrick Dooley Franklin 170 - John Hagey Father Ryan 182 - Hamza Yunis Kenwood 195 - Kiel Russell Clarksville 220 - Rex Shotts Ravenwood John Kramer Wilson Central 285 - Austin Wells Blackman ( I think there is co member for 285 that I can't think of ) Special awards Cheerleading team - Brentwood High Association award - Nick Turner- Blackman Joe Wiggins award official of the year - Ken Trussa GP West senior leadership- Novell Carter East Magnet Beau Badon- Dickson County Johnny Drennan award- wrester of the year Bruno Reagan Clarksville Female coach of the year- Angela Haley North East HS Male coach of the year- Pete Miller Summit HS.

We both seemed to be a little thin skinned Mr. Comback it's like I'm listening to my kids Tn long horn...."ooh you got him". Your right Mr. West (first name?) your wording was interpreted like you worded it. Sorry if I interpreted wrong. I'm good on all this. We can biasly agree to disagree all day long. I do think it's pretty simplistic in my own wresting experience to say a kid that meets in dec is the same kid at a different weight class 2 months later and that he would for sure win or lose again. predicting on something that can't be predicted on wrestlers that are so close. that's like saying Father Ryan is the same team in Dec as they are in February. I think there is validity to the stats at 170. Again, agree to disagree. If you are going to say something as fact then expect push back. That seems to be the nature of these threads. By the way you can call me Tommy. I like it to stay informal. And if you were ever curious as to who I was at any time you could have looked at my profile and found my full name. It's not hidden. 4 more boys to go so I'll be around for while. I'm sure we may talk again. Who knows.... the next topic we might be on the same side of the coin.

I try to stay out of all the guess work, name calling, wearing out kids about how good or not good we think they are and all the expert opinions since everyone "has one".. is one.... and those people have "opinions" too! Lots of bias and ignorance on a topic no one knows the answers to....... This is wrestling and anything can happen especially when you are talking about the top tear of wrestlers. With that said, and I try not to push back on silly matters like this but Mr. west 40, who ever you are if you want to call out John Hagey and be so sure he can't beat anyone in TN you should tell the entire story. Early in the season Hamilton beat him at Cleveland when they were wrestling 182- score 2-1 on a controversial call and yes He beat him again the next day when they met again. He won in overtime. Far cry from a dominant opponent. Hence at 170 where the meat of the season happened your boy Hamelton squeaked by Alan D’Alessandro 1-0 in the state tournament . John at 170 handled him pretty well with a 10-5 win. Hamelton beat Rippy 3-0 at 170. John was beating him by at least 5 when Rippy injury defaulted to him. Play the "what if " game with that. At 170 1 kid beat him in TN and John came back and beat him twice when it counted. He won every tournament Ryan was in but Father Ryan wrestles such a weak schedule that's probably why he won them. I 'm not as smart as you so I don't know who would win what match until they wrestle and I'm not sure how you do but you obviously do. I would just say I wouldn't bet against John Hagey. But I'm admitting I'm biased. Walthall match in the semi finals last year is a great example of you never know. I guess you would have lost that bet. I think it is disappointing when discussions become so biased and one sided and ignorant. I'm a little disappointed in myself for getting sucked into this one. I'm not really a believer in throwing down a gauntlet and mine is just an opinion not a statement like Mr. Cleveland West. By the way Parker beats div 1 state champ. he will be a 4 timer. great kid, great wrestler in my opinion admittedly and biasly yours Tommy Hagey Wrestler for the IRISH 1980-1983 If you need to know anything else about me please ask.

It is disappointing that the State tournament for DII is weaker than many tournaments they go to throughout the year. You generally have great battles in the finals but not a whole lot before that not with standing an upset here or there. There is something not right with a tournament where if your opponent has to forfeit due to an injury, skin issues etc before it even starts and. you could lose every match and still get a medal. Who would want a medal like that. There is a difficult struggle I see on these boards when it comes to quality vs. quantity and which should come first. I think there needs to be a balance and that seems to be hard to find. Dii definitely struggles with quantity. Its not fun having to wrestle a guy 4 weeks in a row whether he is any good or not.

I find it interesting that we complain (me included) about the cow palace and how the tournament needs to move. It's horrible etc. as people would say or they didn't have decent pictures of the the tournament matches etc. but we are ok with crappy medals for these kids. The venue is for us parents not for the wrestlers. We don't like not having a good seat to watch the matches, the terrible bathrooms, the fact the our kids don't have the atmosphere we think they deserve, etc. That is all legit complaints. But, The reality is the kids venue is the mat and the mat is the same wherever it is laid. The medals are the one tangible reward/reminder of their hard work. To say these kids don't wrestle for the medal is too simplistic. The medal is part of the experience and will be the only thing they have from that event in their lives 30 years from now. The medals are insignificant now because they are insignificant looking. My son has showed me some great school tournament medals he was excited to win so how can our STATE medal be acceptable when it by far is made of such lessor quality than most if not all other tournaments in our state. Last regarding growing this sport. Crappy medals are not going to help the matter. Nor will giving medals out to anyone who has a pulse. A kid in Div 2 gets hurt and can't make it to the state tourn then potentially the kid he got bracketed with first round can get a 6th place medal and not win a match. This isn't little league soccer. Quality over quantity should be the motto for wrestling. At least take Div2 down to 4 medals instead of 6... but i digress. i guess that's another topic.

Dear Mr. Ref, The one that did matches in Div2 on friday night. Please stop talking to the crowd when you miss an obvious locking hands and they let you know it. By the way I didn't have a dog in the hunt in this match or the one at the Cleveland Duals but what caught my eye both times is your reaction to the fans and the fact you really did miss those calls. Don't justify your calls it just assures us all that you were wrong again. There are few things a ref can do that is more unprofessional than reacting to the audience. It tells me more than anything that you are not focused on the match at hand and that's why so many of these kids get the shaft.

Yes he was. He was a year or two ahead of me and I had to deal with him on the mat once at a Bishop Byrne tournament in the finals. That was a long and not very fun match. Was very happy to see him in the other bracket in the state tournament that year.

yes you are correct on the age difference. Not sure about the weight.

I think medal so mean a lot to these kids. Who on this thread that placed in the state tournament doesn't still have his medal? I have mine from 30 years ago. I almost hate to show my son as he placed higher than i did but my medals are 3 times as big. And yes the region medal was a joke too. There was a day when the state tournament and even the region was a big deal and treated that way but I'm a 81-83 year guy and that was a long time ago.