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Is that the year the Fowlers left Blackman for Cleveland?? Did he pay Blackman for them to leave?? That sounds like recruiting to me...

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand again i NEVER said it was unfair. you keep saying it.. just becuase i said they have an advantage doesnt mean i think its unfair...seriously, why do you continue to say im saying these things. never one time have i said any of that. except for they recruit, but again, dont think thats unfair.

It does. I stand by what i said. Just like you should stay by your CONSTANT whining. boo hoo. But obviously having more money than any other program in the state has other advantages too.

again, just making up scenarios. nobody said it was unfair. just have to be the victim. just let the adults talk.

i guess reading comprehension is just too difficult for you. do yourself a favor and sit back and let the adults handle this conversation since you keep going back to saying things nobody has ever said. time to take a break.

good lord you are absolutely insufferable. I NEVER SAID YOU OR YOUR CHILD RECEIVED MONEY. i said the CLEVELAND PROGRAM received money.

Ill make this very very easy. @TheTreyB @Rasslinking @CdotRoller @BOUNCE Yes or no. No side stepping. No inventing things we have not said... CLEVELAND gets more money in donations than any program in the state. YES OR NO does having that advantage set them up for success more so than other programs in the state who receive LESS money in donations?

Nobody ever "slandered" or put down anybody, especially the kids. Ya'll are literally making up scenarios in your head. The only thing we've said, and continue to say, and you ALL keep dancing around, is that Cleveland gets more money in donations than any other program. And by getting more money they're set up for success more than other programs. Not that the coaches are bad, not that the kids don't work hard, not that other schools dont get donations, not that the parents don't invest their own time and money etc etc etc You want to play victim so badly you're making things up.

100%. and if that program were to find a donor like mr jones then they would be set up to see the same success cleveland has seen.

who ever said the money donated was going in the pockets of kids or parents?

good lord. nobody said having a room gives them an advantage. getting more money than any other program in the state DOES give them an advantage.

i never one time said most schools dont have a room. I siad no schools have the jones center. and its so much more than just "hosting matches". you cleveland parents and fans are just on a different level of arrogance. money contributes to success and cleveland has more money than anybody

They have rooms to wreslte in. Cleveland has the Jones Center. Idk what all the fuss is. If someone invested the kind of money that has been put into Cleveland they'd find the same success. They'd find successful coaches. They'd build the nicest facilities. Does that mean they wouldnt have to work to get it? OF F&*^&*G COURSE NOT. But i have no clue how people think that getting more money donated to them than any other program in the state doenst contribute to their success at all. Its arrogance and ignorance. Now let me tell you what is going to happen. After me saying Cleveland gets more money donated to them than any other program @TheTreyB will chime in and say "but but but other schools get money too" and completely run around my ENTIRE argument.

Do ANY of those rooms or areas come anywhere NEAR the Jones Center? My guess is not even in the slightest.

my favorite part is how you accuse me of "finding a way around this" and wont even address the one single thing i keep saying. sad. you're just sad.

"Got a check". Every program gets money from donors. Idk why you keep refusing to just say it. Cleveland gets more than any other program. We all know it lol. Just admit they do and admit that money has attributed to their success. "find a way around this" says the guy who wont address the one thing i keep saying.

Again, no. Just admit that Cleveland gets more money in donations than any other program, and that they money Cleveland receives contributes to their success idk why that’s so hard for you guys to admit.

All we are saying is just admit that getting a ton of money contributes to their success…. idk if the parents “disagree” with me. We all know they get more money than any other program in the state.

Here’s a few examples for you @Rasslinking denying their large donations contribute to their success. Enjoy.

Again, nobody has ever taken away the work they put in. We all just want you to admit you get more money in donations than any other program and it absolutely does contribute to your success. if you gave ANY other program the amount of money you get in donations they’d be at Cleveland’s level in 5 years. Guaranteed.

No no no. you have and continue to miss the point. Cleveland gets more $ than any other program. Does anybody fault them? NO The SINGLE AND ONLY issue is that there’s a few that say the money Cleveland receives doesn’t contribute in any way to their continued success. To deny that is just stupid.

There you go @Rasslinking didn’t take long. Saying Allan didn’t contribute to their success at all.

like I said, it has nothing to do with duals or tournaments. it has everything to do with their attitude on this forum.

Man I’m not going through that guys 78 posts a day. He’s said it. the Cleveland parents, for the most part, display cultish behavior and deny any part of what actually contributes to their success that isn’t named Josh or Joey. just give it time. He’ll say it here. I tagged him.