MWR

Can you provide statistics for that number? If not it holds no credibility that a staff member happened to tell you that.

How many East and West Tn refs were officiating at the tourney? According to you, one would think they were all from Mid Tn. And take your childish, idiotic stereotyping elsewhere.

Why pummel, that is an excellent alternative to 2bleg's solution of crying and accusing refs of a far fetched conspiracy.

Was wondering when the board's resident jacka$$ was going to show up. Guess I just got my answer. Pretty sure I'm not the one spewing out absurd conspiracies against a certain region of the state. I actually find you quite amusing, but I do feel sorry for whoever has to ride back with you to Memphis after a day of terrible officiating and your kids getting screwed solely because of their zip code.

The one match does reflect it, and that's the problem. First, not sure about the other areas, but West TN teams have a hard time getting a fair shake by the middle TN refs. Not the same for the other 3 areas, but for middle TN refs it sure is. And it's to the point where one coach (that doesn't complain) said that he has to adjust the way he coach's a match, because of history of calls his team gets in middle TN. Next, it was this same ref that called another match just that same day, that cost that kid the match. Not sure I have ever seen this in all the years with the tournament in Chatt, but have seen it on more than a dozen matches in middle TN. And quite a few this year alone. I'm glad to hear that new refs are moving into the area, but the progress doesn't seem to be happening fast enough. This one poor kid will have to live with the fact that he was cost a state championship because of a ref. One bad call does happen, but not an entire match. And then, to see that it was the same ref calling another horrible match in the same tournament is a bit much. So now there's a conspiracy against West TN wrestlers when Mid TN refs are involved? Or let me guess that's not what your trying to imply at all. (Just like a few weeks ago you weren't implying that West TN officiating is ahead of Mid TN right?) Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? I'm not one to defend officials and I know there is room for imrovement, but I've never seen anyone cry as much as you do about them.

Does anyone know if the finals will be streamed on the internet?

Maybe you need to take the chip off your shoulder. The article was not intended to, nor does it, bash Baylor or anyone else with a loss. It simply recognizes these young men for what they have accomplished. You should have stopped typing after, ....great seasons. Where does he claim that the article bashes Baylor?? He actually brings up a valid point. After all, I can remember Doug Blubaugh at a wrestling clinic a few years back saying that at almost 70 years old, he was still learning new wrestling and there is always someone out there who can beat you, thus making you a better wrestler.

I never said it did not matter, just that D2 state champion has a much easier road to follow without regionals and not a full wgt. class except for two and only being 16 man bracket. State Champ is State Champ, I'd rather see A, AA, AAA so on, as compaired to D1 D2. Pummelking, you are right about DII being easier to win. I made a request to my sons coach to move into DII because it is easier to win a state than DI. I can't figure out why more schools don't do this. Because according to the DI Gestapo on this board, all DII teams must surely spew out athletic sholarships and financial aid to every wrestler on the roster in addition to recruiting them from far away places. They also claim it is simply not possible that these wrestlers come from feeder programs that are affiliated with the mentioned schools and there is no way they have been brought up in private schools their whole lives. If your team meets this criteria then DII will be more than happy to have you. You should also reread some previous posts on this thread which show that it is, in fact, not easier to win state in The DII than in the other division. It varies with each weight class. For example, no one in the DII or DI could beat Croy or Allen of Mt J, however the same can be said for a healthy Zach Watson or Cole Hayes against DI. Just because one division may have the advantage in quantity, certainly does not mean they have an advantage in quality.

You must be an middle TN ref. Thanks Nope, but I guess that's better than being called a West Tn ref.

Finally, 2bleg has a thread of his very own.

Show me where I said that. You can't, becauase I didn't. I simply said, that you don't see them getting involved in the matches, the same way you see the middle TN refs. Oh, I'm sorry, I assumed by making that statement you considered them to be better officials. Not really sure what you mean then. Your right, the refs in West Tn don't get involved which leads to many brawls and poor sportsmanship and not wrestling matches. And when the west tn teams go elsewhere in the state and get called for penalty points or obvious stall calls, I now know why it's such a mystery to you and them. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm sorry, I can't take you seriously anymore since you basically just said the refs in West Tn are better than those in the mid state.

Oh absolutly! I'd say, one school in particular, has no clue. Because they call for stalling every minute, of every match. And I agree, we have some good officials, just no where near enough. And my thought, is the bad ones become too much of an issue. Need to have a head official rating these guys, and letting them know after their matches what went right, and what they did wrong. 2bleg, It seems to be the norm for you to come on here and b***h and moan about the refs all the time- no matter what tourney, dual match, etc. You habitually give the refs way too much credit by ranting about how they always seem to determine the outcome of a match. It's ridiculous! On another thread you insult Chris Agnew's dec over Johnson by calling it a track meet?! What was the point? CBHS bumped a stud to get a win and it didn't happen, ACTUALLY, I believe Agnew got a T2 in the third, while Johnson did not and that decided the match. In fact, after looking at the live update site and tallying the stall warnings, the stall calls were even for both teams 4-4. Don't quote me on that though, but feel free to look it up yourself since you seem so hllbent on blaming the officials for every match. Don't worry about another team's fans yelling stalling when your fans do the same. FYI, just because in the last 30 seconds of a match when a wrestler has been losing and they then decide to turn it up and actually try no set ups, but just charging and pushing out of bounds is not a reason to say they were screwed out of the match. That's why they wrestle 3 periods ANYWAYS, what should have been said from the beginning, is congrats to both teams. Both wrestled hard and there were some good matches. Congrats to CBHS on making it to the finals for the first time, appears only more will come. Looking forward to the traditional with all 4 of the teams competing for the championship OH, and congrats to BC in what turned out to be a competitive final.

Buck, When are you going to give everyone your predictions of this state dual? You haven't made your predictions elsewhere have you? Surely you will not miss out on predicting what looks to be the most competitive duals we've had in a while- injuries or not.

I must say that the Bay-CBHS semi is very intriguing. A final between Ryan & CBHS would be even more so, IMO ,CBHS matches up veeery well with Ryan. Having said that, I'd still like to see CBHS over the pantyhosed boys. Ghouse, correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like the Purple wave can achieve a first by getting into the finals and possibly winning it. Have they ever made it to the finals? This is one of the more interesting Duals we've had in quite some time and McC shouldn't be taken lightly by FR either.

If there is no word from BCB come tomorrow, search parties will be organized and all of nashville's pubs will be on top of the list, starting with Mulligan's.

I agree to disagree, however, not all of the DII teams have the resources like that of Bay and McC- which is what your making it sound like- or atleast that's how I interpreted it. Believe it or not I respect BC's program and its accomplishments. I wish them good luck this weekend ( or maybe congratulations already) and free from injury for the Traditional tourney, which is what really matters. Thanks but hold the congrats. BC has a very good team but not great compared to some of our teams in the past. The bracket for BC is as tough as I have ever seen. Cordova/Ravenwood/Science Hill and then the final. A lot can go wrong. Good luck to your team. Who is favored in the bottom half of the bracket to make it to finals??

I agree to disagree, however, not all of the DII teams have the resources like that of Bay and McC- which is what your making it sound like- or atleast that's how I interpreted it. Believe it or not I respect BC's program and its accomplishments. I wish them good luck this weekend ( or maybe congratulations already) and free from injury for the Traditional tourney, which is what really matters.

Staying awake at night to compare ourselves to BC? And I thought it was the DII crowd that has always been accused of arrogance.. Further discussion is pointless, so I will say only this-- How many kids are able to be pulled to Bradley from the county? Does Bradley not have great coaching and facilities? Do you not have some type of booster club? Do you not have a feeder program of your own which stocks the HS team?? I suppose it's easier to compain about perceived advantages though. It doesn't look good for Tennessee wrestling when the best don't wrestle the best. And your right, ALL of the DII schools' families have money to throw around and none of them make financial sacrifices to give their kids a better education. If took the time, you might be surprised to find quite a few trucks on the DII side as well.

It seems to me the DI schools got what amounts to there invitational tournament when coaches voted to make a DI A-AA state tournament. It is great that they get to call themselves state champions. The DII invitational tournament is nothing more than this same thing only done years later to enable some programs that are not as strong as the DIIAAA heavys a chance to wrestle. Did they qualify....no, but neither did any of the DII heavyweight schools. The important thing is that these kids get to compete. The T$$AA makes some more money. It should be a great DIIAAA tournament. Any 1 of 4 teams could win it. Wish I could say the same for the DI-AAA. Until they all get together again (DI coaches will never let that happen)..., we'll just have to settle for two too many team state champions and a happy bunch of DII small school winners. Wouldn't it be great to see Bradley wrestle just one of those schools? How much fun would that be? On my gosh!!!!! How does a discussion of holding an invitational tournament (involving 8 of the worst teams in the state) during the state tournament involve Bradley? Leave us out of this. We are not a party in this matter nor will we partipate in any attempted validation of DII. BB Since when does DIV II need any validation? Last time I looked, 4 of the top 5 teams are from Div II while the lone Div I team refuses to wrestle them. And this is the team that is supposedly the best our state has to offer?.... Please.

That is an ugly picture you are painting MWR------that bad? Maybe a little wishful thinking on my part. As already mentioned, the Big Red wrestle well on this night so look for close matches at 19 & 25( FR still winning both). Weight 130, 140, and 152 might be toss ups. But, if that wish list were true, it'd be a darn pretty picture.

103- FR 112- FR 119- FR 125- FR 130- FR 135- MBA 140- FR 145- FR 152- FR 160- MBA 171- FR 189- FR 215- FR HWT-FR

Good win for Franklin. RRebel, how has Franklin's season been thus far? I have not been able to watch them this year but saw where they had several medal winners at the Ryan Inv. Are they a young team? It would be nice to see them competing again for the DI.

agreed, but the problem is, way too often the refs are making calls that are determining the outcome of the match, and this should never happen. Now, I'm not saying that "once in a while a call that is made, may be questionable, and will make a difference". What I'm saying is that calls that are totally questionable, or obviously the wrong call, are being made (or not being made) and these make a HUGE difference in the match outcome. Shouldn't happen. Refs need to stay as much out of it as they can, and also need to have thicker skin. If you can't, then don't ref. Do everyone a favor, and just be a fan. Do not involve yourself in the match, let the two wrestlers decide the match. They will almost everytime, if left alone. 2blleg, you seem pretty intent on grilling these refs, now I'm not saying TN officials are the best in the country, but until you get out there and try it then you might think about the subject a little differently once you've had a few blown/bad calls yourself. I also think you are blowing the issue of "blown calls determining matches" way out of proportion. You're making it sound like it happens every other match which is nonsense.

Does anyone know if the finals are going to be shown on internet?