Rule Question

[jimbo44]

We have Fri. rules: High school. We have Sat. rules:NCAA. We have Sun. rules: NFL. It's easy to get confused if you don't get out on Fri. night. Or watch too much TV.

Edited October 5, 2006 by jimbo44

[Footballfan15]

There are only five automatic first downs in high school football. They are as follows

 

1. Roughing the passer

2. Roughing the snapper (scrimmage kick situation)

3. Roughing the holder (For attempted field goals or PAT's)

4. Roughing the kicker

5. Defenisve pass interference

 

None of the scenarios mentioned by daman_daman are automatic first downs.

 

 

This man must be an official, he is absolutley correct.

[KenHawk]

Every sport has rules that the general public (and sometimes officials, coaches, and players) get confused over. Football probably has the most because the rules are so different at each level, especially high school, college, and professional. Having coached both baseball and softball at the high school level, I'm continually amazed at some common rules that people get so wrong, especially since the rules are the same from high school on through the pros. I know this is a football board, but these are some common misconceptions about the rules in baseball and fast pitch softball. All of the following statements are true according to the rules:

 

1. Home plate IS in fair territory.

2. Player being in fair or foul territory has NOTHING to do with a ball being fair or foul. It's where the ball is that matters.

3. A hit CAN NOT be given to a batter if a force out is made at any base.

4. A batter CAN advance to 1st base after a third strike hits the ground with a runner on first IF AND ONLY IF there are two outs. No runner on 1st, batter can always attempt to advance.

5. You CAN slide into first base.

 

There are several others, but these situations come up almost every ballgame. I'd be interested to know what are some common misconceptions in other sports, e.g. basketball, soccer, wrestling, etc.

Edited October 5, 2006 by KenHawk

[dpemberton]

On the topic of misconceptions, let's open a big'ole can of worms. My question is when is a down ended?

 

By rule, a down is comleted when either forward progress of the runner has been stopped, a forward pass has made contact with the ground, or a loose ball is possesed, etc. But here is the sticking point, the whistle does not end the play.

 

Now, when I played and this is still coached today, you play hard until the whistle blows. At the lunch table, I was argued: NO, the whistle stops the play because coaches teach to go until you hear the whistle. This is wrong!! The whistle indicates that the play is over but doesn't kill the play. If that were the case, A1 could trip and be laying on the ground. Before the whistle blows, B1 runs up, jumps and lands on A1. Since this is before the whistle blows, is this a foul. Absolutly!! It is a dead ball, personal foul on B1.

 

Now before anyone says anything about an invertiant (sp) whistle, that is the only condition where it is not true BUT IWs should not happen.

[Idunk2]

Since we are talking rules....let me throw this scenario out to the group. I am intrested to see what kind of response we get from fans and coaches (officials please hold your comments until we can get some feedback from the rest of the forum).

 

Here is the play.

 

 

Team A has the ball 4th and 10 from the 50 yard line. Team A decides to punt. Team A's kicker booms a kick. B3 calls for a fair catch at his own 5 yard line. B3 muffs the punt (never posesses it) and the ball rolls into the endzone where team A recovers. What do you got ?

[iremember1]

Not sure what the kicking team gets, but the receiving team gets a new punt returner.

[o21putt]

I would say that most fans (99%) would miss this one. Unless, of course they had a rule book. Another interesting fact is that the word lateral is not in the rule book as most people mistakenly refer to a backward pass.

[Footballfan15]

I would think team A scores six since team B touched the football. But the way you are talking I guess it's a touchback and the recieving team gets the ball on the 20.

Edited October 5, 2006 by Footballfan15

[Footballfan15]

Well what is the answer?

[Idunk2]

Since we are talking rules....let me throw this scenario out to the group. I am intrested to see what kind of response we get from fans and coaches (officials please hold your comments until we can get some feedback from the rest of the forum).

 

Here is the play.

Team A has the ball 4th and 10 from the 50 yard line. Team A decides to punt. Team A's kicker booms a kick. B3 calls for a fair catch at his own 5 yard line. B3 muffs the punt (never posesses it) and the ball rolls into the endzone where team A recovers. What do you got ?

 

 

 

It is first and ten for team B at the 20 yard line as this is a touchback. The "kick" never ended and since the kick was the force that put the ball into the endzone....we have a touchback.

[Rangerbook06]

It is first and ten for team B at the 20 yard line as this is a touchback. The "kick" never ended and since the kick was the force that put the ball into the endzone....we have a touchback.

So let me get this straight. If the kicking team recovers a muffed punt on the 1 yard line, its their ball on the one yard line. But if it goes one more yard into the endzone, its a touchback, and the OTHER team gets it back out on the 20??? Boy, thats messed up.

[Idunk2]

So let me get this straight. If the kicking team recovers a muffed punt on the 1 yard line, its their ball on the one yard line. But if it goes one more yard into the endzone, its a touchback, and the OTHER team gets it back out on the 20??? Boy, thats messed up.

 

 

You are correct sir !