We have had enough banter back and forth that I know what you were saying, I just wanted to make a different point. The bigger issue I think is the one about intensity. I heard parts of an interview on the radio yesterday with Kirk Herbstreit. This conversation was about college football, and he made the point that because of the internet and blogs the emphasis among fans has changed from enjoying winning because you won to enjoying winning because it gives you the opportunity to get on the internet to boast and "hate" on the loser. That is certainly true, and it is filtering down to high school and beyond. I posted on another thread some thoughts about youth sports, and how intense that is. If you don't believe me go watch a 10 year old baseball or basketball game. This is driven by the parents and coaches (typically dads). I think a lot of what we see today that makes us wish for the past is a reflection of the larger society.