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I believe they get paid before the game.

OBVIOUSLY, you didn't read an earlier reply... it's below.

Understandable. In the normal course of play, not a throw-in, typically a lot of people think you can jump from the front court, catch the ball in mid-air, and then land in the backcourt. This is what I thought was said happened. I didn't realize it was a throw-in situation. People think you have to have all three points (both feet and the ball) to be considered in the front court- this only pertains to dribbling and there are some quirks to that to mr.rules knowledge (jl2014). If you take my original reply and read a few other replies, I said I did not read the "inbounds pass." "Since my last post I witnessed an inbounds pass to a player who lept from the frontcourt, caught the ball in midair, and landed in the backcourt." Obviously, I made a big mistake even trying to give my two cents because you all definitely more enlightened about rules than me. I'll go read the rule book and ref my middle school games. Thanks for the advice!

If you want to get crazy, this is from the NCAA rules book: 9-13 Art. 10. After a jump ball or during a throw-in, the player in his front court, who makes the initial touch on the ball while both feet are off the playing court, may be the first to secure control of the ball and land with one or both feet in the back court. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the front court or back court. I know this isn't college but you may can see where it is different in both NCAA and HS; that is why I thought it was not a violation. Wasn't vague but just "thought" it was the same rule.

If that is what is written then I guess you're right.

You're absolutely right and that's why I should have stayed out of it twice. Even though you can land one foot in the front followed by the second in the back court off a throw-in.

Relax, I did not read the inbounds part, sorry. That is the only time you can actually land one foot in the front court first then the other in the back and it not be a violation. Easy fellas.

I'm all for better performance reviews but I think majority of the officials just want to get their schedules and go home. You could probably ask the supervisors and they tell you that they've told them to change, get better..... But honestly, college officials would rather work 1 game with pretty good partners and better money than two games less money and roll of the dice partners. So you could pay them more but it's still two games and roll of the dice partners.

First off, it is a backcourt violation. The player that jumped from the front court retained the status from where he last left the floor. Therefore, when he caught the ball he was considered in front court status. The official got that play right and the two others it sounds like got it wrong. Just like if your out of bounds on a throw in, jump in the air and catch the ball then land in bounds; you're still considered out of bounds because you never established yourself in bounds. Now, I have seen several officials and myself included be suspended this year for not enforcing rules as TSSAA wants. There is accountability in this stuff that no body sees. The biggest accountability come to post season. They want to send their best but unfortunately a lot of the better officials are already working some college games and can't work the HS tournaments. Not to say officials don't get put in games that shouldn't be there. Onto the referee taking over the games, I think fans get to caught up in this because a lot of those same parents that yell are the parents of the kids that act a fool or say some "smart aleck" remark then the game starts to get escalated because other players and more fans feed off of it. The officials start to take over because, if they don't, then the games might get a lot worse than what you're seeing. On the money aspect, you're just factoring one night of work making 85 dollars. Most of the time I have to leave at 4 to be there by 5 for a 6 start. Leave the gym by 9 to be home by 10. So that's 6 hours of work. We will say 5 because I know some of you will argue the travel time. that's 17 an hour in my book but I can round for you and say 20 and hour is still good money, no doubt. But I had to go to a meeting yesterday for free an hour from my house (6 meetings a year usually last 1.5-2 hours), had to go work scrimmages and play days for free. And had to go to camp for 200.00. Pay TSSAA for dues, local association for dues, NASO dues for insurance, buy the uniform (could be used a couple of seasons). So if I work 20 games that's 1700.00, which is good don't get me wrong. So I would say I make a little over 1000 minus gas and "pro-bono" stuff to be able to work games. 20 games is 20 nights away from my family. I know I chose this but at least you get to go to games and watch your family play and support. My family gets to hear how some knowledgeable parent had to be escorted out of the gym because he/she couldn't hold it together to just enjoy a game. I'm not a parenting expert but I do know that there are bosses that we all work for that are not the brightest crayons in the box but we still have to make due and enjoy the ride. If as parents continue to show kids that it's ok to act the ways we do in the stands against "authority" they will struggle to succeed in life. When the coach learns to stand up and say "we don't act like that" over "well he would never do/say that, you're wrong," "it's a power trip"..... I get that they all are great and I understand that teams have been together all year and aren't doing as well as they thought and parents are frustrated that little Johnny isn't having a breakout year to earn that scout's attention. But I'm telling you if you not sit down and just enjoy the show the show will end a lot sooner than you think.

What if the coach assaulted the official? What about all the other coaches that were ejected and paid the fines based off a miss application of the rules? Pandora's Box for sure!!!!!!

First off, i'm all for a shot clock. Second, I wasn't implying that the shot clock is the reason the scoring has went down. I was just saying that don't get hung up on scoring will go up because of a shot clock because you take higher level athletes with a shot clock and scoring has went down (proven statistical data). But if kids continue to foul then the shot clock would be obsolete either way. This year for NCAA/high school is going to be a re-learning/adjusting year to get the game cleaned up to be more of a pure game and not a rugby match.

Good argument except in the NCAA men's game (with a shot clock) scoring has went down every year for the past 3-5 years. The rules in NFHS have not changed, they are just "strongly suggesting" that officials clean the game up since it is being enforced in the college game.

I heard the reason Wade was ejected was because he received his second flag in the game during the end of game debacle.

You want to talk about math, here we go: High School Basketball: 85.00 for 2 games. 42.50 a game. thats 10.63 a quarter. 1.33 a minute. Divide all that by two teams to control is a whopping 0.67 a minute. College Basketball: (JUCO) 130.00 for 1 game. 130.00 a game / 65.00 a half / 3.25 a minute / 1.63 per team per minute. Over a dollar more a minute.... Why in the world would anyone want to stay and do high school basketball? Even if you bumped up the pay in high school, YOU STILL HAVE TO REFEREE TWO GAMES and then listen to fans that don't have a clue on what to/not to call in a game. Their minds are trained to follow the ball and react to things like contact or that just plain look funny. There is accountability in high school refereeing: it's called POST-SEASON. If you are playing on a Tuesday and Friday night, chances are ALL the officials are working. Just like in any job setting, you have your top performers and bottom of the group. Somebody has to be it. If you have 30 machines and have to use three employees on every machine, are you going to put your top 3 on one machine? NO, you are going to spread it out so all machines run optimally for the effeciency of the company. THINK PEOPLE!!!

I think we are better off having them complain about the officiating on here than actually refereeing out there.