Baldcoach

Thunder, If the TSSAA is supposed to group the quads geographically then your quads make no sense to me. Trousdale and Friendship are nowhere near Chattanooga or the Sequatchie Valley...it is a 2.5 hour trip. I thought the purpose of having "geographical" quads was to cut down on travel time. Further, both of them are North while the rest of the quad you posted is South. If it is going to be consistent (which I think is the goal, but rarely the case) the TSSAA would need to put TC and FCS in the Northwest quad.

Blue/White game is on May 22

Coaches need to do some work on the practice area also. spring rains have about flooded everything over there at this point. scrimmage with Tyner on May 8th.

Actually you make a poor generalization in your argument based on a faulty assumption...that all privates are similar. In fact, the small religious privates DONT take only the good students...they usually have the same good/poor student ratio as the suburban publics...because their mission is not to be elite, but to provide a good, Christian education to as many people as they can, elite student or not. Thus, they don't have a selective admissions process like the elite privates...a fundamental flaw in the arguments of those who propose a split because privates are like privates and publics like publics. In point of fact the small privates are more like small publics in their student makeup and community feeling...that is a big reason many parents choose them...they are the only place that is possible in urban areas. So perhaps lumping publics and privates into 2 distinct categories is a bit simplistic. Large, urban publics are fundamentally different than most small publics (which are usually rural and community centered), which are somewhat similar to small privates, which are fundamentally different than elite privates.

In a word, yes. The 'undue influence' rule is in effect. As employees of a private school we can't even talk to kids in another school unless their parents have showed 'interest' in our school. I stood all summer next to a family who was leaving the school they were in and whose children I knew because their middle son played Baseball with my son. I couldn't say "We would love to have you guys at our school" even though it was true primarily because the kids are A students and very well behaved...the reason is that the oldest was going into 9th grade and an athlete. If I had said anything to them other than "I'd love to talk about our school with you but I can't until you ask the admissions director for material" I would have violated the undue influence rule. How silly is that? Parents who aren't employees, however, can talk all they want about their kids' school. That isn't recruiting, it is parents talking to other parents. Bitter private school bashers want to call it recruiting, but plainly if you have something that is a big part of your life and that you are very pleased with you talk about it to your friends. Just like parents who are pleased with their public schools talk them up, parents who are pleased (or displeased) with their private schools talk too.

Generally action like this means that the school self reported and has already corrected the situation.

Portland is a fine town with a fine tradition in Football. All it would take is a coach who knew what he was doing and could convince the community that he knew what he was doing and they would be right back in the hunt. They have a coach up there who has been the D-line coach for a championship program for 10 years...another good coach or 2 and they could turn around real quick!

Coach, Given the margin of error based on sample size those numbers are essentially the same. But given the small sample no percentage really has any meaning as just a team or two difference either way has a HUGE effect. I was having this discussion last night with a parent. I still contend it is urban vs rural, not public vs private. It is just that almost every small private is urban.

Man, you are right Red Dog! We can be the first state not only to have a 1.8 but to double it to a 3.6. Heck, those 200 kid privates who don't offer aid should obviously be forced to play at 720...how could anyone have belived that 1.8 was enough? Stupid Georgia, doing away with the multiplier. I bet the privates down there beat everyone...oh, wait, dang it, wrong again. /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" />

Congratulations Warriors from the Buccanneers! When you're in the Hole next week and they 'accidentally' fire the cannon, or blow air horns, or shoot fireworks as you try to snap the ball stay strong and win!

Wow, 1) While you have obviously had some bad personal or second hand experiences with other religions, projecting those on me or anyone else is not really conducive to the discussion. 2) I was not making a statement about the blessings thingey, I was (quite plainly) saying I didn't understand your point there or how it related to any of the issues we were discussing. 3) You are still setting up straw men and knocking them down. If I pray in a classroom no one is forced to pray with me, even if I am a teacher. Congress begins it's sessions with a prayer, that doesn't force the rest of the country or everyone in the chamber to pray. Many of the public schools in Tennessee begin Football games with a prayer (more power to them I say, although if the ACLU finds out there will be trouble) and plenty of people around the stadium continue what they were doing without interruption. To imply that somehow I am forcing a prayer on someone else simply because I say it within their hearing not only defies common sense but also reminds me of Farenheit 451. The opposite is actually the case...by making it illegal for teachers to pray when and where they choose the government has forced non-prayer on them, a clear violation of the separation of church and state. 4) I never said, implied, or even thought that anyone who agrees or disagrees with any post on this thread is Godless. That is another strawman you set up to knock down. On the contrary, I think people of good faith fall on both sides of this argument. We can disagree about public school prayer and still agree to be civil. Perhaps this topic is too touchy for this forum. Too bad, it seems like an interesting one. Alas, another one bites the dust.

bulldog, You seem to want to set up a straw man then knock it down. No one wants 'mandatory' school prayer. What we want is voluntary prayer. If a public school teacher wants to pray in class they should be able to do it. Imho it is a constitutionally protected right 2 ways...Freedom of Speech AND Freedom of Religion. But because of a mis-application of the seperation of Church and State clause, we have stripped those freedoms. For 100 years public ed in the US allowed religious interactions with the classroom, only in the last 40 years or so have they been forcibly removed. And removed to the point that any mention of personal faith or practice of it can get a teacher fired, especially in the larger metro systems where the community isn't uniformly religious. Which brings us back to why the small religious privates formed up in the first place...they almost universally began in large metro areas about the time that the community schools were being torn down and replaced with mega-schools and religion was being made illegal in the classroom. I don't get the blessings thingy?? note: Seperation of Church and State was to prevent a state sponsored denomination or a theocracy from developing, not to prevent public religious expression. It was included because people fled to America to get away from the religious persecutions of the European religious states...if you weren't Dutch Reformed in Holland they could arrest you...if you weren't Catholic in Italy they could arrest you...etc.

Thanks CPA, The guys have really worked hard and come together as a team this year...and we are healthy as a group (last year in the last game/first round we had 6 starters out with concussions, mono, etc.). We'll see about Alcoa...lots of great teams between here and there, including Tyner who we play tomorrow night. We'd love to get a shot at Alcoa...it is always a priviledge to play the best, but we will have to win 4 more games to make sure that happens. Good luck tomorrow night to your guys!

Actually the public 2a schools have produced more DI players than the small privates. And, respectfully, you have it in reverse. Good coaches allow average players to be good. Great coaches allow average players to be great. Show me the best player in the state, let him play for some of the people who pass themselves off as coaches but don't have a clue, and he'll still look good but not as good. Show me a pretty good player and put him in with a great coach and he'll look like one of the best in the state. p.s. You are also wrong about the level of Football played vs. coaching ability. They have nothing to do with each other. Coaching is learned from the ground up by coaching and being coached by other coaches, not by playing. Some of the worst coaches I've ever known were x-DI or x-NFL players. Good guys, great athletes, not great coaches. On the other hand some of the best coaches I know didn't play in college at all...but they learned how to coach from great coaches.

Just read the article. Prayers from Boyd and the 'nooga for all the families.

I was there. I usually don't post on game threads but Coach Reynolds is a friend and I know why we threw late. There are several reasons but here are 3. 1) The Indians played press-man coverage all night and stacked the box...outnumbering our O-line by 2 when we spread the field. We put our Freshman TB in on the last series to get some runs but he got clobbered by 2 unblocked D players on the first carry. Since SC hadn't bothered to sub any of their second team D in, and was still playing press man coverage instead of going to a zone, we decided we weren't going to run our tailbacks into unblocked starters so we threw over them to loosen them up...just like we had been forced to do all night. If you want to talk about coaching etiquette, you need to understand that when a team is down 33-3 and the other team has the ball with 3 or 4 minutes left you don't leave your starters in and you don't stack the box. We had all subs in on D and would have liked to get some subs in on O, but we just weren't going to run our Freshmen against Seniors, especially when we are outnumbered inside. That is the kind of buzzsaw that gets puppies hurt. 2) Our QB stayed in not to pad stats, but b/c he needs the work. He now has 9 total starts under his belt. Again, we would have been happy to sub out some of the line or other backs, but we aren't putting puppies up against starters. 3) When you play a press man often the only areas open are in the middle of the field and behind you. It isn't that we threw for a TD, it is that the QB threw to the only open man who happend to be behind the DBs...twice. In a zone the open areas tend to be in front of the DBs... I could give a couple more but those will do. It had nothing to do with embarrassing the Indians or their coach, although he took it pretty personally. Coach Reynolds tried to tell him it wasn't a slap but he was too busy shouting at us all to listen, hopefully he has calmed down a bit today. I thought SC was greatly improved over last year and that their kids played really hard. Good luck to all the Indians for the rest of the season. Say hi to Coach Simmons for me...he was my middle school Football, Basketball, and Baseball coach and high school assistant Football and head Baseball coach until my Senior year. He's a great guy and you folks are lucky to have him.

Yes, it is illegal as currently ruled on by the courts. Doesn't mean folks don't do it. Does mean that in the metro areas if you do it too much our buddies at the ACLU will show up and trouble will start. And any teacher that prays in his or her classroom with or in front of the kids is risking his or her career.

VG, I know that we tend to disagree on the necessity of small religious privates, but I think we both have a good idea what I meant. If you don't think I'm right that's ok, but I like you too much to get into a debate about details. In general it is currently illegal to publicly display your Christianity in your classroom in public ed. I'm not talking about living a love centered life, I'm talking about praying with and for the kids, discussing your Christian faith, and even (ACLU forbid!) reading scripture or having chapel.

I happily pay my taxes that go to education. I'd like a little more accountablility for what they go for, but I am willing to pay even more as I believe that public ed is a cornerstone of any free society.

I agree, at least for the rural publics. If your community is a religious one then that certainly is reflected in your community school. You won't find much of that at all in the metro publics. People sue and teachers get fired if you add Christianity to your classroom. Thus one of the reasons the small privates are virtually all in metro areas.

Looks like our spreadsheets were pretty close...Indian and I were 1 off in 1a/2a and dead on for 2a/3a. Glad all the uncertainty is over.

heh...hadn't thought of it that way Buck...makes sense though. After all, if a small public could compete with privates without a multiplier that would invalidate the whole...wait a minute, isn't that what Trousdale, South Pitt, Alcoa, Fulton, Huntingdon, Milan, etc have been doing this whole time? Heck, they haven't just competed, they have dominated. But the BoC seems to somehow ignore that fact. Maybe they would ignore the small public in DII thing too. "There are none so blind that they can not see..."

I always thought they could go DII too...but it wouldn't help Sheila, if her public is aa it would have to compete in the large school division. I can pretty much promise that whoever they are they would rather play 3 and 4a DI schools than the top DII schools.

Indian, Since your public is a small rural public about the only difference is a greater spiritual emphasis and more academic accountability because the parents are paying. But remember that in the big metro areas there are NO small, community based publics. That is what seperates the small privates from the metro publics...they are big, impersonal, have high crime rates, and no sense of community in general (always exceptions). That is why most of the small privates are in metro areas...they are the alternative. p.s. I've been saying for years that the small privates are more similar to the rural small publics than either are to metro publics or elite preps.

My numbers match yours pretty well Indian. And you are right...the Middle and West Tennessee privates have gone DII in much greater numbers than East. As far as I can tell there are 0 DII small privates in the 'nooga and maybe 1 or 2 in Knoxville.