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Take it for what it's worth, but here are my opinions. I lived in Nashville from 96-00. During that time I attended many high school games. I saw McGavock, Brentwood Academy, MBA, Pearl-Cohn, Maplewood and many others...BEFORE the public/private split. To me, the rivalries and crowds were still there. I also remember a weekly newspaper devoted to the local preps action as well as some show on the WB that showed all the highlights from all the local FB games. Do those even exist anymore? I still remember that annoying Loco Lupes commercial from the highlight show. During my time in Nashville, I witnessed the construction of the Arena (or whatever its called now) and the Coliseum (or whatever its called now), and the Tornado that hit downtown Nashville (still called The Tornado). I also attended many games of the Arena FB Kats, NHL Predators and the NFL Titans. One thing that I distinctly remember is the Governor (Sundquist), Mayor (Bredesen), local media, TV stations, sports radio shows, etc selling their political and marketing souls to the National Media in the hopes to convince the nation that Nashville was ready for professional sports. Unfortunately, The Nashville Sounds were, and still are, the proverbial forgotten red-headed step-child. WHY??? In 2000, I moved to Knoxville and I have been here ever since. I miss Nashville, but I love it here Knoxvegas and do not plan on leaving.....ever. One of the first things I noticed when I moved to Knoxville was the priorities of the people in East TN. Politics, Religion & UT Sports......in no specific order. Granted, Knoxville is a college town. But one thing I quickly realized is the passion of the people in East TN and how serious HS Football is to them. In Knoxville, there is weekly radio show that previews the upcoming Big high school football games, as well as interviews with head coaches. On Friday & Saturday, there is a separate sports section in the local paper devoted to HS Football. Also, on Friday night, ALL the local TV stations devote AT LEAST 20-30 minutes reporting the highlights and scores from the area games. I recently had to drive to Nashville on an early Saturday morning, make a pick-up, and then drive right back to Knoxville. During my drive, I tuned in to the local radio shows. And from Knoxville to Crossville (1 hour), I heard the complete rundown of local area HS football scores four times. From Crossville to Nashville, and back to Crossville (3 hours +), I heard the local HS football scores ONCE!!!!!! The rest of the time it was talk about pro sports. To me, Nashville has become a Pro Sports city and all of the local sports shows and TV highlights devote their attention to the Titans & Predators. I definitely understand the reasons why the media does that, but they have neglected the local athletes as a result. And this can have a HUGE negative impact on recruiting of local athletes. I wasnt around for the bussing or rezoning, so I wont offer any opinions. But I think one HUGE contribution to the downfall of HS football in the Metro Area relates to the value of the entertainment dollar and where you are able to get the best return for your investment. TITANS vs. COLTS, or Antioch vs. Hillwood.?????? Once again. Just my opinions

He is out of the hopital and is back home doing well. He's going to miss the last two regular season games.....but it doesn't really matter. I can't speak for everybody, but I want to thank the whole CHS family and Powell fans, players etc for all of their prayers and thoughts for OJ. I know we all get on here and talk BS and other trash......but it made my heart proud to see the community come together and pray for an injured player.....no matter what team he played for.

I am a certified athletic trainer. I have been doing this job for 20 years. During this time, I have had the opportunity to work with all levels of the game from pee-wee's all the way to the NFL. And the one thing that I have learned, is that it's all about image. Whatever looks "cool" in the NFL, immediately is copied by the college athletes. From there.....you guessed it....the HS kids have to do it. Michael Jordan wearing the sweat-band around his knee. What's the purpose? But it looked "cool" and was quickly copied by college/HS players. Reggie Bush in his Subway commercial. He's wearing an eye-black patch with the number 619 written in a silver marker on the patch. I was covering a freshman game tonight and found a black eye patch on the ground from last weeks game, with the number 619 written on it.....in a silver marker. Guess somebody wanted to look "cool" Eyeshields. Why??? I understand the reason for some people wearing them, but now a lot of college players are wearing them, and many HS kids want to wear them as well. Once again....WHY??? Is it to look "cool"? There are some medical reasons why some athletes need to wear them, but what about the kids that stand on the sideline and never even get in???? On a sidenote, I always get a big laugh when these guys want to take their eyeshields off because of rain, or humid conditions are causing them to fog up. Wristbands on the elbow? No purpose really, except for a center snapping the ball to the QB. But it looks "cool", so everybody wants to do it. Even the waterboys!!! Rubber wristbands?? Once again....no purpose....but it looks "Cool". As far as "snapping a finger" that was mentioned in a previous post.....I agree, but the bones in a finger are a lot stronger than those wrist bands. If there is a medical necessity to wear something that is non-conforming to the standard team uniform, then there should be a note from an MD stating the purpose. I'm not bashing athletes of any level (except for T.O.), but the desire to stand-out separately from your teammates irritates me at times.

In most cases, the parent's insurance is primary, and the school insurance is secondary. In the event that the parent's don't have insurance, then the school insurance becomes the primary and should pay most, if not all, of the cost of the treatments related to that injury. However - there are limits and exclusions in the school insurance policy. And it is pretty vital to know what is covered and not. For example: some school insurance plans will pay only so much for physical therapy (such as $30 per visit, for a maximum of 10 visits). In the event of an injury requiring surgery (ACL / Tommy John, etc) and physical therapy is required, that maximum can be reached REAL quick. A single physical therapy visit can cost several hundred dollars. Check with the school's Athletic Director (or Athletic Trainer) to get a copy of the school insurance limits & liabilities.

PHargis..... There are risks that we ALL take in our daily activities. If you sneeze, you could break a rib or pull a muscle. If you walk across the street, you could get hit by a car. Etc., etc., etc. Yes, there are risks to playing ANY type of sport....whether it is organized basketball or touch football with your buddies. But, most people who make the decision to participate in ANY activity are surely aware of the risks. I would really hate to think that any of these posts would dissuade a person from participation in athletics. If that truly should happen, then that is absolutely 100%ridiculous in my opinion. Polesit..... I work in Knoxville and every year we sponsor a pre-season jamboree for football (at Neyland) and Basketball (at Thompson-Boling). The $$$ of admission is used to offset the cost of school insurance to the student-athletes in the Knoxville area. Whenever a student-athlete incurs an athletic injury, the family's insurance is primary, and the school insurance is secondary. In the event that the family doesn't have insurance, then school insurance becomes primary and is supposed to cover all costs. I obviously don't know who you are, but I can find a way to get you a copy of the school insurance policy that we use along with the limitations and exclusions. As far as $7000 for an ACL......that's really steep for surgical costs. For an isolated ACL tear, the surgery cost is several thousand dollars less. BUT, if you add any meniscal pathology or any other ligamentous damage, then the surgery cost escalates. Also, if you add in MRI, bracing and formal Physical Therapy.....the overall $$$ spent / charged is substanially more than $7000.

PHargis.... Tearing the ACL with a quick stop and cut is VERY common for females. There are many factors to consider: strength differences, anatomical differences, hormonal imbalances, etc. We discussed this back a few pages ago. Great points on the overuse and wear & tear.....but I think we discussed this back a few pages also. (Don't mean to sound rude, but I don't want to repeat everything that has already been said.) Unfortunately, there are those parents that think their kid is going to be the next superstar athlete (even though they are the 3rd string bench-warmer). And unfortunately, you can NEVER win an argument with one of these types or make them see the logical way of thinking. I could go on forever about this, but I'm sure we have all seen those types of parents around....whether it's AAU, Club or High School. Dealing with that type of person is one of the most frustrating aspects of my job. To read a story of a parent taking it to extremes - check out this link: http://www.golfdigest.com/newsandtour/inde...50121ohair.html jusdontno.....hope your daughter has a great recovery.

Due to the setups of some facilities, it can be difficult to actually watch a person urinate in a cup. But, in all cases, attempts are made to ensure that no cheating is going on, as well as trying to give a person some privacy. As far as holding water in the mouth....the examiners should try to get the person to talk or open their mouth to guard against this practice. Some have been guilty of dipping their cups into the toilet when they can't produce a sample. Um, that doesn't fly, because urine is warm.....toilet water isn't. Urine has an odor - water doesn't (usually) If somebody wants to hold a sample of urine in their mouth and use that as theirs....bravo for the kudos!!!! But you still ain't going to pass. The testing procedure, while frustrating, was implemented to ensure that these wrestlers weren't potentially causing harm to themselves by dangerously cutting weight. As far as trying to cheat the test...it has been done I'm sure, but if it happens too frequently, then look for the TSSAA to really start cracking down and making the testing procedure more lengthy and frustrating. Just two cents worth from a person who has administered the tests.

I just read an article talking about this, but not going into enough detail to satisfy me. Some of the reasons they stated: wearing braces may make an athlete play more aggressively, which could lead to injury. (IMO, if an athlete DOESN'T play aggressively, I don't know of many coaches who will keep them in the game much longer.) And/or that a person may not be fully healed from a previous existing injury, which could lead to a new injury or reinjury. Well, DUH?!?! There was also speculation about some other reasons, but they said they hope to investigate further. Overall, pretty lame conclussions to that study. I still stand by my previous posts.....just not enough valid information to convince me otherwise.

Polesit, we are kindred spirits. Here's a good general website for kids of all ages participating in sports, things to look out for and be aware of. I actually refer my parents to this site: http://www.momsteam.com/ Polesit, here's another good one for elbow, hand & wrist injuries that I use quite often: http://www.handuniversity.com/handschool.asp Another for a variety of conditions. You can view the info in your web-browser, or download a PDF printable booklet. Phargis, I think you would really like this site: http://www.eorthopod.com/eorthopodV2/index...6b4ea996d7d8b96 And finally. I'm already sick of this cold weather. Here's a link to a live camera on Waikiki Beach in Hawaii :justwrestle: : http://www.co.honolulu.hi.us/cameras/waiki...ach/waikiki.htm

Polesit....we can't forget about the good old standby...."THE EMERGENCY ROOM!!!"

Pedo....I'd just like to know what type of "doctor" gave you that information? Doctor of what? Philosphy, Education, Dentistry, etc, etc Too many times I hear of "doctors" making statements that aren't even related to their primary area of practice. And that causes me great concern....because there is TONS' of misinformation and misconceptions out there that do nothing more than confuse the general public. And way to often, as an Athletic Trainer, it can make my job extremely frustrating and difficult in providing care to the injured athletes under my supervision. I think I speak for many ATC's when I make that statment. Think about it....if you or one of your family memers had cancer.....would you go see a doctor who specializes in sports medicine? If a gymnast injures her knee, would she be better off going to mom's gynecologist? If a football player injured his shoulder, would he be better off going to a veterinarian? (I actually had this happen) I'm not trying to take away anything from any of these areas of medical practice or "doctors" in general, but sometimes I think we all need to look a little closer in regards to who is giving the information.

I disagree. Even if an athlete is braced and wearing high tops, the ankle is still going to give somewhat. An injury can happen in many ways, but a resounding majority of ankle injuries occur via the inversion mechanism. Whereas a majority of knee injuries occur as a result of a cutting mechanism and/or an anterior/posterior translation of the femur on the tibia. I don't see how an isolated ankle inversion mechanism could directly apply force to the ACL.....even if it is braced. I If there are any studies out there, please let us know. I for one would love to read them.

Polesit....thanks for supporting my opinions. I had a feeling that I was going to get blasted for my comments.....but sometimes the truth is to hard to ignore. As far as PHargis....I can't really blast that person. S/he has done a great job of keeping these forums at the top of the page and encouraged other members to post their opinions. I definitely commend them for that. But it seems that PHargis has forgot that I am an ATC (or "Trainer" as they call us"). And apparently this person seems to have forgot that I have previously posted my opinions on bracing, knee injuries, etc. for which they have commended me on!! To blast me on my opinions on this issue, when s/he called for my opinions......well, something seems to be a little fishy there Now PHargis disagreeing with my post.....that's how it goes on Coach T. S/he asked for expert opinions from ATC's, and we gave it to them. Sorry to hurt some feelings........but life, just like athletics, ain't all that fair at times. Deal with it.

The most glaring thing that stands out to me is that everybody is talking about playing "year round" and how to reduce injuries!!!! I'm probably going to irritate some folks and step on a few toes.....but I really don't care. So, here goes..... That is the biggest problem right there....."playing year round". These are kids that we are talking about. Their bodies are NOT mature enough to withstand the demands that are placed on them...especialy year round!!!! Look at ANY college or professional sport. They have an "Off-season". Those athletes use that time to rest, heal and get ready for the next season. Unforutnately, that's something you don't see in AAU or any of the other competitive leagues. As a parent myself, I want to see my son excel.....whether it's athletics, school or just playing video games. But guess what.....I'm going to let him tell me what he wants to do. Nowadays, parents have become more involved in their kids social lives and seem to push them to competitive soccer, basketball etc. All too many times, these competitive leagues practice and play year round. When do these kids have time to rest??? When do they have time to just be a kid and do what they want??? So many times I see parents desires reflected in their children. When the child fails, the parent fails.....but who gets the blame??? THE KID!!!! Why place that burden and pressure on a young child???? Let a kid be a kid and they will tell you when they have had enough. At least it works for me. I'll never forget, I used to have twin student athletes under my care. They both played soccer, basketball and softball all four years of high school. Upon their graduation, I asked them both if they were going to play sports in college. They both responded that "No....I just want to have a life of my own".

ooldrebel..... I read something several years ago in Biomechanics Magazine talking about how females with flat feet can possibly incur more ACL / Knee injuries. Specifically, the navicular bone in the foot may not be anatomically aligned, leading to pronation, which causes an internal rotation of the tibia, which leads to a torsion / loading stress on the ACL. It definitely makes sense to me. Have you, or any of the other ATC's heard of this?? Like I said, I read it in Biomechanics Magazine, but I trashed that article a long time ago, so I don't have a reference to give. Phargis would be proud that he doesn't have to type "BUMP"

I prefer the ASO Braces for preventative measures, but I agree that the Ultra-Ankle is the best for post-injury. In my opinion, the Ultra-Ankle seems to give more stability to a previously injured ankle, especially the dreaded "High Ankle Sprain". But, as mentioned....the cost factor. Question for the ATC's.... In your opinion, is their a difference in the Turf and Court models of these braces? I'm using a turf model on a basketball player right now, and both of us are happy with the results. The following is for all of the ATC's out there that read these posts. I got this from Sports Pickle.com First Case of Low Ankle Sprain Since '74 Surfaces The Centers for Disease Control announced today that the country’s first case of low ankle sprain since 1974 has been reported. The rare condition struck a male high school basketball player in Indiana. “We are taking this case very seriously,” said CDC director Brian Patterson. “High ankle sprains are all we’ve seen for two decades. Every now and then we get a plain ankle sprain, but this is extremely rare. We have very few doctors with any experience in treating the non-high ankle sprain. We had thought low ankle sprains had been eradicated from the earth.” The stricken boy is being quarantined at an undisclosed Indiana hospital until a decision is made on how to proceed. Patterson said it is too early to tell if there is a link between terrorism and the boy’s low ankle sprain, but that he is “very scared.”

Best I remember, Coach T did have a user forum for Sports Medicine a couple of years ago. But I think it was for "Plus" members only. I know that there are many schools throughout Tennessee that do not have any licensed medical personnel available during practices or games....specifically Athletic Trainers. But please be patient. The Tennessee Athletic Trainers Society is working with the state government to make it a law that EVERY school has an Athletic Trainer on-site and available every day. I don't know when or if this will ever happen, but keep your fingers crossed. In the meantime, I think we should petition Coach T to start a forum for sports injuries. And I would hope this forum would be available to all members year round. I know that there are a lot of Athletic Trainers that browse these sites, and although I can't speak for everybody, I love giving my opinions on the correct things to do. Of course, there are going to be several dip-wads that want to talk BS and other smack if this forum should become available.....but I am interested if any others think this would be a good idea or not.

Please re-read my previous post. In all my years, I have NEVER read or heard of a study where it is proven that braces weaken ankles. If there is such a study out there, I would love to read it. PHargis....I'll try to address some of your comments. There are many types of foot injuries that can occur with any sport. And I have never found a certain sport having a greater incidence of a specific foot injury over any other. Maybe there is, but I personally haven't seen it. Perhaps the most common type of foot ailment that I see common to ALL sports are blisters and excessive callous formation. Once again, these can happen with any sport, but I do tend to see more of these in basketball. As far as the age level that you state where injuries seem to occur, there are many variables to take into consideration and not knowing the history of a specific injury makes it hard to discuss in length. Before I address shoe inserts, we need to look at athletic shoes. I'm not a big fan of many of the athletic shoes that are on the market right now. To me, the big name shoe companies are trying to sell "Style" instead of "Function". And, in my opinion, most athletic shoes are pure crap when it comes to providing the support that an athlete's foot needs. Not all feet are made the same and certain people need more support than others. But most athletic shoes have no support whatsoever. As a result, the biomechanics of the athletes foot can change and lead to an injury, instead of preventing it. The subject of shoes can be discussed in depth and be really long and boring, so I'm not going to go any further with it. Just know that improper shoes can lead to foot, ankle, lower leg, knee, hip and back problems. I endorse shoe inserts. Once again, we can go into great detail here, but I usually have success with the kinds that you can find at your local Wal-Mart. Specifically, something that cushions the heel and provides support to the arch that runs from the big toe to the heel on the inner portion of the foot (longitudinal arch). In my experience, these types of inserts seem to reduce the severity of the dreaded "shin splints" that affect so many athletes. Inserts can also provide stability to a sprained ankle, achilles problems, calf strains as well as alleviate many other problems associated with the lower body. Here are a two links to types of inserts that I recommend to my athletes. There are many different brands, but I have had success with this brand: http://www.drscholls.com/product.aspx?prodid=28 http://www.drscholls.com/product.aspx?prodid=27 Hope some of this helps and sorry if I sounded kinda vague in my explanations. But when you start talking feet, shoes and inserts - the subject can go on forever.

Rebel Ron, Pep Vol and MLREB..... I have read many of your posts in the past, and I consider you guys the more polite and knowledgeable Maryville fans. I also inculde FB Emeritus in that as well. You guys seem to truly appreciate high school football for what it is and all of you deserve the right to be proud and do a little trash talking. But please notice that I said SOME fans - and not ALL. And yes, I agree that there are SOME CHS fans that get on here and do the same things.....but not ALL of them. Regardless of what SOME Maryville fans post, I don't judge ALL Maryville fans based on the "actions of a few kids". As I said previously, I respect the Maryville program and the run that they have had has been phenomenal. Also, please notice that I said trash talking can make the game more fun...which it defintiely can. I love reading these posts, especially when it's time for us to do battle again - I just don't like the personal attacks on a kid, whether it's a Maryville OR Central player OR any other kid from any other team. I personally don't care for that on ANY webiste or chat room. That was the point that I was trying to make in my previous post.

Polesit.....I agree that there is not enough evidence out there to provide substantial proof in regards to hormones, menstrual cycles, etc., but I think that it is something that may need further review. Both of the girls that I mentioned in my previous post were menstruating at the time of their injury. Coincidence???? I don't know.....too small of a number to conduct a study. Definitely agree with the Q angle and Femoral tunnel. Not to mention the shearing forces with a more narrow tunnel. I also agree that Quad / Hamstring strength ratio lends a big factor as well. I thought about mentioning that in my previous post, but I felt I had babbled on too long and needed to shut-up. Good post

I'm not going to go into the Catlett years. I'm not going to bad mouth the guy, but in my opinion he was not the person for the job. Whether he was responsible for the current state of the program is not an argument that I'm not going to get into. It's over....look to the future. Give Shattuck a chance. He is a good guy and has ton's of football knowledge. I know that he definitely wants to turn the program around and is committed to doing the job. All it takes is for kids believing in their coaches and the program and then things can start happening. Regardless of the score when you played the Central Bobcats, I definitely saw an improvement in Clinton from last year to this year. Wining and losing season seem to come and go in cycles, and hopefully someday in the future, Maryville and Clinton will swap places as the team to beat in our region.

Well, I gave my 2 cents worth on the Ankle Brace issue, so I'm going to give my 2 cents worth on this topic as well. banjodr brought up some good points in regards to hormones playing a factor when females get injured. There are also some anatomical differences in women as compared to men that seem to contribute to knee injuries. Try to follow me here.........Women have a wider pelvis (hips) than men. This is to allow for child birth later in life. As a result of the wider pelvis, women tend to use more of the muscles located on the outside of the thigh. In return, this leads to a weakening of the inner thigh muscles. The inner thigh muscles are responsible for keeping the knee-cap inline with the thigh during movement. Since these inner thigh muscles are weaker, the females knee-cap moves irregularly, leading to a greater incidence of knee pain. Not neccesarily a knee injury, but just knee pain in general. Also, due to these differences in men and women, some researchers think that this may have an affect on ACL injuries. Their reasoning is that since the inner thigh muscles are weaker, they are not able to provide the strength and stability to the knee when it should get in a position where an injury could occur. A couple of years ago, there was a study comparing male and female athletes in regards to injury rates.....specifically, the ACL. The biggest things that I thought were interesting...... 1) When males are running and need to change direction quickly, they usually slow down in 3-4 steps, before changing direction. This gradual decrease in speed lessens the forces on the knee and allows for a smoother change in momentum towards a different direction. Whereas females tend to stop in 1-2 steps and change direction immediately. This places HUGE loads on the knee, which as discussed previously, is already at a distinct muscular disadvantage. 2) When males jump and land, males tend to bend their knees more and use their hips as the main "shock absorber". This helps them "reload" and be prepared to make another quick jump. Females, upon landing, keep their knees and hips rigid. As a result - all of the forces are transferred to the knee. Also, they are not as prepared to make another quick jump if needed (such as in basketball & volleyball). Since 2000, I have worked with three different High Schools and at all three, I have implemented a plyometric / jump-training program for the volleyball and girls basketball programs (soccer was doing their own thing). And during that time, there have only been two girls that tore their ACL and missed the season. And both of those girls did not take part in this program. Of course we had our share of typical "boo-boos" and other nagging injuries, but nothing so serious that they missed more than one game. If you want more info on the program that I have followed, here is a link: http://www.cincinnatisportsmed.com/sportsmetrics.htm Sorry for such a long post. I got into my profession to help injured athletes and if my opinions can help at least one person, then I guess I have done my job.

Regardless if Central should win Friday night, some of the Maryville faithful will say that it was a fluke and Maryville's the better team and that the Rebels have more gold balls than CHS (which they do), and that Zach is still junk, etc, etc, etc. Now, before the Maryville faithful blasts me like some heathen from hades, I just want to say that I respect the Maryville program and the run that they have had has been phenomenal. That is something to definitely be proud about. But what irritates me is how arrogant some of the fans can be. Yeah, trash talk happens and it can make the game more exciting, but when some of you guys cross the line and make personal attacks on a 16-17 year old kid.......where's the sportsmanship in that??? That's just wrong. Enjoy it while you can, because there won't always be a solid fan base when the loss column is more that the Wins......just look at Tennessee right now. All I know, is that I have no control over the game and it's up to the kids. And the only thing I can guarantee is that I will be there and that it will be standing room only to watch those kids play their guts out on the field......and not in some chat room.

WRONG!!!!!! I am a certified athletic trainer (ATC) - or "trainer" as some people call us. I highly recommend the use of ankle braces - specifically, the ASO and the Ultra-Ankle. If I had a choice of taping one of my athletes or bracing them, then bracing wins almost every single time. Every member of our girls and boys basketball teams wears ankle braces, as well as a large majority of our football team. Since we have initiated this, serious ankle injuries have been reduced significantly. This football season alone, we have only had two players miss a game because of a sprained ankle. That's pretty good odds when you think about the nature of the sport, the number of players (65+) and the amount of reps taken in practices and games. There have been numerous studies conducted debating the differences between tape and braces and bracing wins every time. Within 10 minutes of applying athletic tape, it can lose anywhere from 45-90% of it's initial support....all depending on many variables that I'm not going to go into. Also, if you look at the cost factor in regards to tape and braces....you end up spending far more $$$ in tape than the initial cost of the brace. The tape is used once and thrown away, whereas the brace will mold to a person's foot / ankle and provide the same amount of support practice after practice, and game after game. As far as the argument that braces "weaken" ankles.....well yeah, if you wear the dang things 24/7!!!! For the 2-3 hours that a competetive athlete will be wearing the braces, they will provide STABILITY to the bones, muscles and ligaments of the ankle. The fact is, the ankle is an anatomically weak structure, and ankle injuries can happen anywhere, anytime.....taped, braced or nothing. But once again, numerous studies indicate "return to play" is much faster if the athlete is braced. Hope this clears up any confusion or misinformation. sportiemom.....I'm not trying to be rude, but please understand that "Trainers" are an extension of orthopedic physicians. Much of our knowledge and continuing education is derived from working in conjunction with these physicians in order to provide the best care that we can to athletes at all levels of play. Like coaches, there are good trainers and there are some that are not so good. I hope your son and daughter have an athletic trainer available at their school and I hope they have a good one!!! hoopsinstead......I want to commend you on your posts. You obviously know what you are talking about.