Brickhousechick

cbq: If Masterblasters figures are correct Coach Logsdon coached his team to two Duals titles in four years before the split. He started in 1992 or 1993 if my facts are straight. Bradley won two, Mcallie won two and Overton and Father Ryan one apiece.Lets see thats 33 per cent and tied with McCallie the dominant team of that era. Not bad huh cbq? Some will never accept the accomplishments that Bradlley has attained over the years. Too successful for those who dislike Bradley to handle. Baylor has had quite a string the last several years. No one downplays the accomplishments of Coach Morgan and the great teams they have had.Both programs are solid as are McCallie, Soddy etc.These, as the Blaster says are the facts, just the facts. Whether everyone wants to read them as they are, and give credit to either program is really irrelevant. All these teams accomplishments are in the history books and no matter what or why anyone wishes them to read differently will not change a thing.

While were at it pose the same question in a different way. Would Baylor have won the same amount they have in the last several years since the split? Doubtful with what has been basically a two to three team challenge every year. Throw Bradley and Soddy in to the D2 mix especially the 2001 and 2003 bears and things might not have been what is now history. Both of the divisions have powerful and respected programs. You cant diminish ones accomplishments without doing the same to the other when it comes to what may have occured without the split. Lets recognize the positives of both divisions and there are many in both.

Nice post. Its good to see someone appreciate what he brings to the Bradley program. The other issues were bound to be brought up despite how old, tired and insignificant that they are. Thank you for taking a positive stance. Glad your program didnt talk with him first. If he would have known about the doublewide he may have accepted! (LOL)

That ol allsaints, he do give sum of us publikly educaded posters sumpin to chew on I rekon. Right made hisself a few good argaments. Im a thinkin I mite likem mysef thar Biu Bar. But ooooooh he gonna rite agravate sum a dem dar d2ers.

If you want to have light shed on this subject go back on coacht from about the year 1999 and read the one thousand two hundred and twenty seven threads that are titled as or similar to:WHY WONT BRADLEY WRESTLE McCALLIE OR BAYLOR?When your finished with the eighty six thousand nine hundred and forty nine posts that seem drearily familiar to one another, you may understand ,but Im sure ,as many on here do, you will continue to disagree. That is why this never ends. People cannot stand to see something continue they disagree with or dislike. They disagree with Bradley's stance(which you have that right) and they dislike their continued success. Sometime next wrestling season when you are through someone will post this same thing again. Then once again we can all relive this "Groundhog Day" experience.

They must have lacked guts at the Virginia Duals when facing teams that were better than any team in Tennessee had to offer. Did the other Tennessee teams go? Must not have had guts. Its an old argument that isn't going to go anywhere people. It has nothing to do with the Bradley wrestlers being afraid of any big bad area school around here. These programs are all great and fear and guts have nothing to do with this. I think most understand(even though MANY disagree) what the principle behind this is. Everyone has a right to their feelings about Bradley's philosophy on this. Coach Logsdon afaid to lay it on the line? PULEESE! This is a subject that has been overly discussed,tiringly argued, had the most repetitve posting(including what I just posted), and ridiculous accusations of any in the history of coach t.

Thank you for starting this. Maybe it will be the end of the most insignificant, overly discussed, repetitvely argued and completely monotnous thread in the history of coacht.

Logsdon has 6 Duals titles to go along with the tradional ones that Sommers pointed out.

Gilbert is a great one all right. You are right about this area being fortunate to have many quality coaches.

His achievements have already established him in a class by himself.

I dont speak for those who make the decision but I dont think you will see what you want to see soon wvol. I agree also with the comment that Soddy will be EXTREMELY tough by years end.

This thread really got away from complimenting great coaches. We have a lot in this area that deserve mention. Anyone have any more to add to those already brought up?

Hoover will be there.They have 4 or 5 very strong guys and a lot of balance over all. I think they will contend for the title.

This topic has been explained as best as can be explained wvol. You dont agree with Coach Logsdon or Bradleys stand. He stood by his principals. His championship success is unprecedented in any sport in our states history. Regardless of how people feel about his views he will go down as one of the greatest in Tennesse Wrestling ever. His 13 state championships in 12 years will guarntee that. I dont know what else I can add. By the way I remind you that I was complimentary and in agreement with the other coaches mentioned which is what this thread started out to be. I did not try and find reasons not to agree with some. I disagree with you that there is ANY explanation or principal or line of reasoning that would end this tiresome bi-weekly discussion. I appreciate the discussion we have had to this point but I really dont know what else to add beyond giving personal details of certain things that have driven this stance. That is not my place to do. Again the thread started as a shout out to all who have been great in this state. I agreed with those mentioned, threw in the name who was in command of the benchmark program and a few just cant quite get rid of the sour taste of years of Bradley excellence that Logsdon helped to accomplish. In closing, if it makes any difference I also feel Baylor is the best team in the state this year even though they dont wrestle Bradley. But, check with me again on that question next year.

Your right he probably doesent give a lick. My son might enjoy it but he would also enjoy a newer car and a million bucks but he does not have it and is not consumed by it as the current experiences are many and fulfilling. I did not live the personal experiences that Coach Logsdon did. Had I, I could answer your question about whether I would have or not. Humpty Dumpty that you referred to earlier broke for ethics reasons and someone took a stand. I may have done the same had I been faced with it but can not tell you for sure. But I do know that I respect Coach Morgan and Coach Connell despite them having some of the advantages that others dont. I would not allow that to tarnish their accomplishments one bit in my mind.