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clifford20

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  1. clifford20

    New club team

    I think most 1's teams should play open. But now with the spreading of talent in middle Tennessee, i'm just not sure. I think many times the director or the coach would like to consider not playing open, but I think a good bit of parents would be angry about it. Especially 14 and up. I agree with Osage on the 15 threshold--good barometer. if you can't score 15--way over head. As long as the teams compete... I am good with it. only about 4-5 teams are actually competing to win those open tournaments anyway--maybe less.
  2. clifford20

    New club team

    I tend to agree with TT. Nothing worse then getting destroyed at big tournaments. but if you are competitive, then ok, play open. The problem is recruiting. If you have an average to below average team, but let's say with a couple of high level recruits--they need to be in open for that. Even though most talent finds it's way out I think. as usual I could be wrong on that too. I am not really comfortable knowing the differences. I agree being able to count on Orlando is a good draw. And they get recruited very well too.
  3. clifford20

    New club team

    I haven't. I don't even know how to do that. It seems impossible to fund results. I will make a guess....poorly.
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    New club team

  5. clifford20

    New club team

    you talking about the 18's TPV team Osage?
  6. clifford20

    New club team

    Which one?
  7. clifford20

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    Wow that is a great result for TPV. Seems like they are starting to hit their stride. Was the final close?
  8. clifford20

    New club team

    I have always tried to be pretty level headed on here and don't think I have been over critical or mean spirited at all. Now granted, I haven't went back and searched everyone of my comments over the last decade--I am sure there are some opinions I would like to have back. My opinions have changed many times based on really good conversations on the board. Maybe I am naïve to the politics of all this. I am good with that. Never once had I ever came on here promoting my kid or even mentioning her. Not my style at all. I definitely have biases. I am quite certain that most of us know each other on here. Never once have I tried to out anyone and I don't appreciate you trying to do that to me, weather you were right or wrong. it's just not cool at all. Certainly I am loyal to alliance, I never insinuated that I wasn't. We had a lot of fun with the club.
  9. clifford20

    New club team

    Good post Osage. I agree this thread has run its course but I have really enjoyed the discussions. It will be interesting to see it all play out.
  10. clifford20

    New club team

    Great research Apostle--yeah I am clearly the one with too much time on my hands. Not sure who you think I am, but you seem to think you know me and that I am Alliance parent? (I used to be) I am not trying to distance myself at all. Just communicating opinion. It's all good. I am sure that I am 100% wrong about everything, but I based my opinion on what people told me. As stated before, I am glad TPV is here. They are doing a very good job. I hope that they continue to do well, along with Alliance, Ethos and MidTn. I love volleyball, want it to succeed in our state. Don't think anything that I have said is crossing the line.
  11. clifford20

    New club team

    i will take your word for that. I wish TPV nothing but success. You all were def in the gym--and I def noticed that.
  12. clifford20

    New club team

    So what does "politics" even mean? Seriously, give me an example. I might just be confused as to what someone calls politics. I can honestly say in 25 years around sports, I am not sure I have ever actually seen it involved in a decision. Seems to me it is always about playing time or position. It's just called politics by the parent. C'mon Teeter. Unless some parents lied to my face about it--they were contacted and incentivized. Call it what you want--but they did what they had to do. I have asked players involved on both sides of it.....they are enjoying their experience for sure. Alliance needs to step their game up on a couple of things, but it's not that different from what I have been told. But they were probably just being kind. (I am not an alliance person btw--just close to a lot of the people) TPV is doing a very good job. Make no mistake about it.
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    New club team

    I couldn't agree with Osage more. I honestly don't get the politics part of complaints. As I have stated so many times before, parents call it "politics" when they have a play time or position issue. I could be completely naïve to this, but I have been around club/high school volleyball for a long time. Not saying that a club doesn't make a decision around a relationship occasionally. if I kid has been playing with a club for 6-7 years and they are pretty even with a brand new kid-- I would 100% give the nod to the family that has invested in that club. Call that politics or whatever, it's good business. I think TPV is doing a great job. Not sure their training is much different than Alliance or any other club, but regardless it's 100% a good thing they are here. I don't like how it all went down, but that's life. I agree also with coaching at the youngest ages. IT HAS TO HAPPEN. 12-14 are critical years. Alliances best coach in now the director, which hurts. Alliances 16's are performing actually better than I anticipated and TPV's team is starting to get better. Alliance 17's are also about where I would expect them to be. TPV is pushing alliance to be better--and I think they will be. Obviously Alliance has pushed TPV, other wise they wouldn't have raided a team that ALLIANCE PARTIALLY DEVELOPED. Morgan, Shay, Claire, etc are all Alliance kids. Ethos has helped middle TN volleyball. MTN has helped. They aren't nearly as strong as the others, but they have done good work.
  14. clifford20

    New club team

    interested in knowing what the issues they have been disappointed with? Not suggesting that there aren't issues. Just curious. btw, I have heard some rumblings as well, but no different than most years
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    New club team

    I do not think TPV 16's should be losing to a 15-2 team with all the talent they have on that team. That is surprising to me. I can understand the Munciana loss I guess. Not saying it's a bad loss, but def surprising. Am I wrong?
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