DougS

I do not think Q was referring to athletics as privates are better. I am pretty sure he was speaking to the academics. And in academics, private schools are generally higher in academics than public schools. there is never a fair playing field in athletics.

I would not mind playing in a district / region that has schools with the same amount of students. there are enough small privates D2-A in memphis and we do play each other. D2-AA there are only 6. 2 of them are Girls only and 2 are Boys only. I think it has to do with actual competition in the game. I think fans, athletes, boosters want to play teams that give them competition. And they feel that playing against other private schools their size does nto give them the competition they are looking for.

Actually i have used the police, fire trucks, city hall , library, city water, city garbage... I have no issues paying taxes for them. That is what city and county taxes are for. Just like paying for schools. I will pay them because I know that is what is best for the community. It has nothing to do with being fair. Just like this conversation. Fair or not is besides the point. Is it the best for the community of Athletics, a good possibility..

if there was a private school that had 1200+ enrollment, i beleive they would compete in 5 and 6A. however, the concept of that many students defeats the small classroom, indiviualized attention that is available at majority of private school. Plus, there would be the same issue as with public school. Little Johnny or Sister Suzie is not getting playing time so I will go where he/she will play. How do you think all the home school teams schedule TN teams. they have their own national league as well as some church schools. But they are sanctioned through TSSAA to play TSSAA teams but cannot participate in the playoff. YOUR local government officials decide on what you have to beg and scrape for. And there are the have and the have-nots in private schools. the MINORITY of private schools have the colossal building or facitlities. Oh, i have a simply not fair scenario. Why do i have to pay city, county and state taxes to support public schools when my children do not attend public schools? Now that is not fair. I do not utilize the school buildings, the gyms or any other public school facility. You want a split. How about all the private families stop paying taxes that go towards public schools.

if i wasnt already giving all my money to a private school, i would send some to the school of your kids. Excellent points.

here is article from paper yesterday... just propse on Wednesday and vote later http://lms.usatodayhss.com/nashville/articles/item/2182-public-private-high-school-sports-split-will-be-proposed-wednesday

just for information purposes only.... from the article at http://lms.usatodayhss.com/nashville/articles/item/2182-public-private-high-school-sports-split-will-be-proposed-wednesday "Division II was created in 1997-98..." "Since the formation of DII, 15 of 51 Division I football titles in Classes 1A, 2A and 3A have been won by private schools. Private schools have won three of 34 girls and nine of 32 boys basketball titles in Division I Classes A and AA since then." "CPA and Goodpasture are among 22 private schools that compete in Division I, along with Clarksville Academy, Columbia Academy, Lipscomb Academy, Middle Tennessee Christian and Nashville Christian locally."

and then the next will be Charter schools. They are public and open to anyone to enroll and just like any public or private, "Tennessee charter schools are not allowed to recruit students based on ability or performance,..." except from TN Charter Website

Thanks for this as well..

Thanks for the insight. Like I said, i have not seen as much "discussion" for any school except 1. Goodpasture was D1-AA in years past?

if the reason is because of sholarships or financial aid, then that is a good reason but because a kid lives in another part of town is not a good reason. Any open enrollment school district has "kids from 20 different zip codes". Next will be that these open enrollment schools should be in their own division too or with the privates because it is not fair that they can pull from anywhere.

attila, on 07 Mar 2014 - 01:13 AM, said: This thing started as a Football issue in the 90's when the smaller public schools kept losing to the small private schools In the playoffs. It had a ripple effect in that it made the Union City's, Jackson County's and Humbolt's of the world move from AA to A. This initiated the 'split' of D-1 and D-2 schools across the state. ...Why do we need 6 state champions in D-1 Football? It makes no sense. I understand why there are 6 in D1. The biggest part is because of time and scheduling. With football being played primarily on Fridays, it would take until February to finsh with only 3 divisions. The other part is so "we" can make more money. The more playoff games means more money... Same as basketball. more teams means more money at the gate. tradertwo, on 07 Mar 2014 - 01:36 AM, said: You had a quote in your previous post about Jackson Christian moving from DIIA to DIA and competing with around 300( couldn't verify, it's a secret ) students...you do realize that they have actively recruited a city of 76,000 people for four years and offered scholarships, and that those same kids are now playing in the public division right? FYI...Webb School of Knoxville and Ensworth have only around 450 students each, and both are doing OK in sports...why doesn't poor little 'ol JCS recruit a few more kids and play against schools with the same restrictions? Boo Hoo that. I know what JCS was and did. They actually did not have the money to compete with USJ, ECS, SGIS, Lausanne because they do not offer or give scholarships. UCSportsFan, on 07 Mar 2014 - 07:25 AM, said: The reason we win a lot in girls basketball is mainly because we have a great coach. Look at our record before he took over and you will agree. We were everyone's home coming. Now look at all of our other sports and our record in those sports and then tell me how ridiculous your statement is for us to move to AAA. When is the last time CPA had a losing season in men's basketball? Baseball? Softball? Football? Golf? Soccer? I was just commenting on your statement that all Privates that wanted to play in D1 shoudl play at highest level, D1-AAA, becasue that was fair for comepetion. So because 2 or 3 private schools are better than all the public schools in their districts/regions, all privates should play AAA if they play in D1. If it is about competition and being fair, UC and JC should move up to AAA. davidlimbaugh, on 07 Mar 2014 - 8:23 PM, said: Far from class warfare. Some felt a total lack of fairness, and not a level playing field. The history of the split? 1995 was the tipping point. 5A (5 classifications then) football championship game: Brentwood Academy 27 Riverdale 16 Several players on Brentwood Academy's team lived in Rutherford County, some zoned Riverdale. 1996: Brentwood Academy 28 Jefferson County 7 1997? D1 and D2 playoffs.... High School sports by its nature is inherently 'unfair'. As my late papa said, "Fair" is where they judge the pigs. Some argue how is it fair for a 2831 student Blackman High School to compete for a state title against a 1306 student Columbia High School? No two schools have the same facilities, commitment from administration, tax base, community support, number of students or zoning regulations. High school sports is a way to get kids involved. To teach them some life skills. 99% of high school players (sadly, not their parents) will forget most of the details of the games they played in, but will remember the memories of being part of a team and the job and people skills they learn. Thank You.. Very good. Memphis has same issue with Arlington @ 2500+ playing Barttlet 1000(+/-) and a few others. smokinote, on 08 Mar 2014 - 8:26 PM, said: Well said. Doug has no clue beyond the end of his nose Not sure where this bitterness comes from but I'll pray for you...

that does sound logical, which means it will not be implemented

no one seems to fuss about TCA, Goodpasture, Jackson Christian, or any other Private that plays D1. I have seen some general fussing but it is from the same people that jump both feet into the CPA discussion.

UC, I don't turn a blind eye, never have, never will. But what I do is turn my focus on what I can do to help make my team better. And complaining and hollering about unfair unfair is not how to make my team better. And if school X had the facilities and academics, there would be no transfers. Curious about why no comments on JC moving to AAA to make it fair to the other A class teams obviously, they have something better at that school that makes them so dominate. DavidL, I don't know the history and that's why I was asking. What is easier, is to write, "unfair, unfair, they give scholarships. That's so unfair to us poor public schools". What's hard is doing something about it. Call it what one will, but this conversation about splitting public and private is nothing more than (pun intended) class warfare. The rich private schools stealing the students and beating the poor public schools. Bool hooo

if only 3 teams advance, they would have to make up new brackets and that would cost a fortune...

i can point you in the direction of this other girls basketball stie. Coach Patosha does a great job of reporting on Memphis area girls' basketball. at the top has a list of tryouts for local AAU teams... http://memphisgirlsbasketball.blogspot.com/

This is a serious question because I do not know the scenario or reasoning. You all know that there at one time was no separation between public and private? I know the first split was public and privates; then privates split again into large and small schools. Does anyone know why the split occured years ago? Why or why must everyone else that keeps crying about the need to split, keep harping on the inequality that exists between privates and publics. Jackson Christian just moved from D2A to D1A with an entrollment about 300 (maybe). So because they move to D1 and are private, they should play against AAA schools? I say, lets move JC and UC up to AAA because the girls' basketball has apparently dominated in AA and dropped to A where they have dominated as well. They are too good to play against the other A teams so lets move them up for competition sake. They should be playing teams as good as they are since it is all about fair competition, right? Also, let's say any County school must play up becasue they have more students to pull from than cities/towns that have more than one high school. Oh, lets throw in any school district that has Open enrollment into the same discuss. That is legalized and sanctioned recruiting. Instead of complaining about other schools and the success they are having, how about do something to make your school better. It doesnt take recruiting or financial aid to make the school better. It takes the commitment from the team (school, admin, coaches, parents, players, fans) to get better and compete with [insert any team here]. Instead of spending hours on message boards, in the stores, gyms, work, home, in the car driving hating on private schools, spend the energy trying to raise money to build your school a weight room; upgrade the locker rooms; upgrade the football field to synthetic turf; hire a better coaching staff and maybe hire better teachers. Because if the academics is just as good or better and the team is halfway good, kids will not go to the private school. Adults complain and whine about "oh it is unfair, they have scholarships" , "They are better than us because they have scholarships." and the students hear it. Now they have a built in excuse if they loose lose. BOLOGNA. Spend more time running; spend more time lifting; more time in the gym; hire a better coach. "The best way to make your team better, is for YOU to get better." - Coach Wooden

welcome to the TSSAA equivalent of the NBA ping pong ball pull for 1st draft pick...

Bob77... I found your email addy and just sent you an email. 6 minutes left in 4th. Ridgeway 40-37

Ridgeway leading 38-35 with about 1minute left 3rd

@BOB77, hey drop me an email... i cannot find your address

Serious question because I do not know. who is this team that has lost 3 times since district started? And did they beat your team in the tournament after losing a game? I looked at the 9A and 10A schedule for basketball. 9A teams maybe played 3 times (i might have missed one) against 10A in the regular season. then they played in the 5A region tourny.

and the only people that would make "huge" money on a state tournament would be TSSAA. Driving an hour+ each way, a couple times each week gets expensive. Schools would have to increase their budgets (which is not going to happen) or just pass along the extra costs to the parents of the athletes. Football makes since to go to 6 because of the one game a week and with as many teams and only playing in only 3 classes, the games would go until March.

Amen... The "discussions" are always good for at least an hour of non stop laughing...