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Freshman Deter Thompson at 106 from Crockett over Luke Higdon of Signal Mountain.  Watched it, solid win.

Freshman Deter Thompson at 106 from Crockett over two seed Luke Higdon of Signal Mountain.

2 hours ago, ObseverW said:

maybe not an upset but it looks like number 2 seed 138A Ferrell has forfeited and that opens that WC up even more now as he was some peoples champion! 

Unfortunately Jake was really ill.  That kid is tough so it had to be bad.

This link will take you to the event.

45 minutes ago, CarlSpackler88 said:

"He would have been tossed around by Hart. Lampert will manhandle him easily if he goes 138. Tenpenny had “coop” down 6-3." - FR615

I'll address these two comments since you want to go after my son, then its probably time to just log off of CoachT for awhile. This place is a cesspool.

Did I ever say he would beat Hart? heck no. Lampert has already manhandled him. So what? The guy asked who our 38 lber was and you felt the need to crap on him. Why? Because you think Tenpenny should have won? You don't like me or McCallie? I never suggested Coop would beat anyone 

And us holding Cooper back was a family decision. Did his wrestling benefit, sure. But one of the main reasons and THE catalyst as to why we left Boyd and did a hold back year is because my youngest son is dying from a terminal illness called Alexanders Disease. They had a new clinical trial at Stanford and we were considering a move to Danville, CA. We literally pushed pause as a family because we didn't know what we were doing or where Grayson would be. Didn't know it at the time, but we were actually blessed that he didn't get in because he ended up in Atlanta later that winter. In fact, he's down there today not that you give a rats ####.

But even if that weren't the case, he's still legal and well within the rules of TSSAA. He turns 19 his senior year. I could probably list 10 kids or more right now that will as well. Just off the top of my head I know 6 schools that all have kids that will turn 19 there senior year. For some reason though, you guys target McCallie because we have two

I'm done. Waving the white flag. I was warned, didn't listen. CoachT...you win.

Don't take Coach T seriously, remember this is just a tiny amount of people who happen to care, too much, about outcomes and process within HS sports.  Nobody walks around making the comments you read here to people in person. It doesn't happen.  So this is the place where some come to vent about what they perceive as shortcomings surrounding the sport.  With that said I've told actively involved parents with kids who happen to be elite wrestlers to stay off coach t, particularly if thin skinned.  The perk of not having an elite wrestler? Nobody talks about your kid lol.

Whatever the "best" path for your son and family is I do I hope you find it and I wish you all the best. From one dad to another... 

Edit: Something occurred to me that was funny with respect to my son.  He was wrestling in a tournament and came up against Joe Sealey, well, you can imagine how that went, Joe was in full beast mode.  The local paper wrote an article and absolutely scorched my boy, I mean just killed him (it was weird how hard they went on him), and never once mentioned the other kid was ranked first or second in the country at his weight class at that time.  I of course showed the article to him.  We got a nice laugh out of it.

FYI, there is an option to ignore users like CaptainGuru. Click on your account name, and then click "ignored users".  You can then add this dummy to your ignored user list and never have to read a thing it posts.

The first user in the history of my forum adventures across many different platforms I've felt the need to ignore.

Just now, TheTreyB said:

And no it will not shut them up. The hate and jealousy will never allow it. 

Remember this, there are only a handful of posters on this board in the grand scheme of Tennessee wrestling.  The vast majority of wrestlers, parents, and coaches don't think about Cleveland. Don't think about Alan. Don't care about this forum. Don't care about anything other than going to their kids activities.  

I said this many times as I've been around many parents, many duals, many teams, across many levels of wrestling. Nobody cares except for the small amount on this board.  The vast majority of parents and wrestlers have no real idea of what goes on.

2 hours ago, fooseball95 said:

Lol just lost to the worst Bradley team in the history of the school. Couldn’t take advantage of tssaa screwing the bracket up 

I thought DB's 106 would TF or pin Bradley's guy, but just a decision. The 138 match was weird, DB kid essentially pinned himself (although he was losing when it happened) and I thought he would at least win.  Congrats to Bradley.  Normans leaving killed DB.

Just now, FR615 said:

The future of Cleveland rassling parents sure do yap a lot. 

Some of these people really are wrestling parents?  Jeebus batman. I thought they were just trolls. 

Another, coaching MS this year and this kid (first year wrestler) is in the finals.  He says am I going to get a medal? I say well only if you win the finals (he would have gotten a medal for second).  I say you want that medal? He says "yes sir, yes sir I do".  Well that ref blows the wrestle and I've never seen a better blast double from a first year kid, level change, elevation, and a slam.  Level of absolute aggression was off the charts. I really got a good laugh out of that.

It’s funny but not funny.  Nobody was hurt so…. Match was heated and so our kid gets too physical and gets DQd.  But they let him wrestle next match, I was surprised.  Well before that match he is still hot and he yells to me whoever I get next is getting whooped.  Kid he was supposed to wrestle was right next to him and says well that’s me. Our kid looks at him and says well you’re getting whooped.  He delivered. He wrestled better agitated.  Kid was a natural but lacked training. 

Everyone is getting carried away with then "no way" stuff. Is it likely anyone beats Cleveland? No.  But pressure, particularly the pressure of being the absolute favorite, where you can only meet expectations and not exceed them, has a way of melting even the best. And I mean melting. 

It's an old one but a team of amateurs beat the Soviet Union in Hockey in the 1980 Lake Placid Olympics, and the Soviets were considered unbeatable at that time.  If that can happen, then the odds of Cleveland getting upset are what, a 1000x greater?  Remember all the pressure, every bit of it, resides on Cleveland to do nothing but win and win big.  Nobody else has even the slightest chance.  

The above is something parents and coaches both forget because most long ago quit competing within any kind of sport.  The memories of choking (and they did choke if they ever competed for anything important, I sure choked a time or two, once in front of my own kids who were also tennis players, up 6-0,4-0 and lost ugh) fade and those rose colored glasses come out. I was playing singles tennis until my mid/late forties at a high level and I understand completely what pressure can do, very fresh in mind.  

I'll go ahead and take DB over Bradley. I looked at Bradley's lineup from duals in in early January and middle/late January.  Hasn't changed any and they have a common opponent in Soddy. Math is always sketchy but Dobyns did much better. 

44 minutes ago, TheTreyB said:

In all honesty… does it really matter? 

Yes.  As a fan of wrestling I want to see the best matchups at the right place in the bracket. Doesn't matter if the outcome isn't in much doubt, however, odd things can happen when the pressure mounts which it is sure to do in the finals.  Everyone gets a little tight an heavy is the head that wears the crown.  None of us wanted to see that matchup in round one.  The pressure, while great, isn't the same.  We want to see that match for all the marbles.  Now its easy as parent of a HS wrestler (I guess you are, you could be some obese women at the beach in a bikini lifting your fat rolls to even out your tan for all I know) on an excellent team to be smug and say wrestling for second is no better than wrestling for third but it is. Plus I think seeding should be done correctly for the wrestlers sake.   It really wouldn't take too much to get seeding right considering the small number of teams. I realize you can't make everyone happy but at a minimum we should at least get the top two right.

33 minutes ago, ArtusCimber said:

It appears you have your years muddled. Science Hill beat D-B twice in 2021, both in the conference dual and the region dual finals, explaining why they got Collierville instead of Cleveland. See, D-B was in second place. The 49-24 was in 2022. Science Hill didn't even go in 2022. There is a more complex explanation for why Bradley drew Wilson Central but I'm not sure I could explain it to you. I just mostly hope you haven't been upset over this for too long. Regardless, I think the draw they have this year atones most generously for any other perceived injustice they've been done regarding other years.

I’m not upset about this at all as I’m not affiliated with DB in any way and never have been.   Regardless of the complex explanation those matchups shouldn’t have happened.  

I also remember when the worst case of flu ever hit Science Hill and they couldn't show up for a dual against DB because the entire team (except for one guy) was disabled. LoL.  Nothing to do with all of this, just something that popped into my head when thinking about DB vs SH.

1 minute ago, CHSBLUE said:

Where are you guys seeing the bracket.  I went to TSSAA and don't see it.

Brackets

Reminds of 2021 when DB, who killed Science Hill 49-24 at regionals, then draws Cleveland in round one. Science Hill gets Collierville.  Yeah, that happened.  To top it off Bradley got Wilson Central in round one.

9 hours ago, TotallynotLEO said:

Buddy called me with the results.

AC got by Crockett 36-33. Some line up changes but nothing that matters in the end.  

That’s twice in the last three years mere points have kept them from going. The good news is they should be right back in the mix again next year.   

The problem is the hypocrisy.  Wrestlers, coaches, and parents of wrestlers like to think of themselves as "different". "Built different" as they frequently and loudly proclaim. This just shows you, your sport, your team, and the parents around it aren't different.  You are just like everyone else in every other team sport.  Might get whipped? Don't wrestle.  Might get injured then we don't wanna wrestle.  Smells like every other sport to me. 

15 minutes ago, cowcatcherII said:

Crockett and Pigeon Forge should both beat Signal after what I saw last night. Those are probably the most likely candidates to meet Soddy in the finals next weekend. 

Crockett has to get by Anderson County. I'm pulling for Crockett but that matchup is actually tough.  Anderson beat them earlier this year (39-33) and gave up a FF at 132 while doing so.  See if lineups change or what modifications are made...

This whole thread is like toddlers running around singing I know you are but what am I.  Jesus.... 

14 minutes ago, FR615 said:

Score?

Dual Match Scores here.

I do not care that it happened but in the land of incoming transfers no public school can top Greeneville.  Actually it was freaking incredible.

1. Hunter Mason (Flo Ranked) now at VT
2. Kodiak Cannedy (Flo Ranked) now at Little Rock
3. Carson Dupill (Flo Ranked) Still in HS
4. Colin Dupill (Flo Ranked) now at SDSU

Good luck beating that group. 

Cooper Hilton by a landslide. I realize he isn't competing at a high school this year but he is the current best P4P wrestler in TN.  Second I'd go JoJo with the acknowledgement that JoJo an Mason might split matches 50/50 if they wrestled ten times.

1 hour ago, cowcatcherII said:

I think that's the main difference with how people view Cleveland v. Baylor or even McCallie for that matter. 

Baylor and McCallie fans aren't trying to tell anyone they're great because they work harder than everyone. Unless I have missed something I haven't seen any Baylor or McCallie folks try to tell you they don't have built in advantages being a boarding school and having the ability to pluck talent from other schools every year. 

I would be interested to hear @durdon 's , @oceansize42 's, and @cbg's thoughts on all this.

I'll give some of my background which will probably explain my point-of-view.

My nephew attends McCallie.  What they have as a school have is phenomenal (I'm sure Baylor is awesome too).  I'm impressed, however, I think I'm too pragmatic for most to take seriously with regards to sports and high school.  Not being a great athlete myself and not being a rah rah guy I view sports as a means to an end.  My kids had fun, truly they did.  I would give most anything to relive the vast majority of it. They went to a county school and a decidedly mediocre one at that.  Could they have had more fun at a private school like McCallie? No. My kids most likely wouldn't have started.  Don't get me wrong they were great in my eyes but facts is facts.  My son was a solid team wrestler, trained hard, and worked hard. Understood his role.  My daughter was a solid athlete, same goes for her. Trained hard, worked hard.  I then think what more could they have gotten out of it if they had went further or been on a team that was super good? The answer is nothing.  They made friends, discovered the value of work, had some realizations about themselves, and then that was it. 

I can imagine the immense sense of satisfaction that must come with winning and competing at those big tournaments and meaningful duals, but that is all I can do.  We weren't there. I think its important for all to remember those are what they are, moments.  Nobody cares within a few short years other than the coaches who work their tail off to make sure each new group is prepared to repeat those same feats.  More power to them, I love their dedication.

With my background out of the way, I think kids should go where they want without restriction. I think schools should be able to recruit, both public and private. Why?  Because there is only so many really good kids, particularly in wrestling, to go around.  The vast vast majority of parents don't care because we are having fun watching our kids.  Does it suck to get whooped by a far superior team who has either worked harder than you or simply recruited? Yes, lol, yes it does. Been there, but I understood the bigger picture.  My kid's teams, and therefore me as well, have received some whoopings.  So to the point @cowcatcherII made about McCallie not talking there is definitely some truth.  However, Cleveland can't control dumb parents, they just can't (and you all are dumb, really really dumb).  I've got no problem with a program tooting it's own horn either.  Having money (whatever that means) is great but you still have to practice hard and practice right. They obviously do that. Kudos.

I've said this before but everyone really should understand this. Most parents don't sit around discussing Cleveland, McCallie, and Baylor.  We just don't. I promise you this topic never came up between parents. We went to the duals and for the most part loved being there win or lose. There is a bubble that some are in where all this matters, like really matters. It doesn't matter.  Parents, with any brains, know what's up when you wrestle a handful of these power house public/private schools.  I get that it is very easy to get caught up in "winning", I get it, but man it's just moments in time. For the current mediocre wrestlers out there who might read this, remember, where you went to school and how good a wrestler you were (or weren't) means nothing in life, absolutely nothing.  If you personally worked hard and were a student of the game then you received everything you ever needed.