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What condescending remark did he make, did he remove it? All I see is that he put facts out that TN wrestlers went 1-5 on the day, which is true and not everyone lives on Flo or Track to check the brackets. So it was nice to log on and see how everyone did. You get butthurt about it and bring some team in that has nothing to do with anything, very weird! Not like he singled out a school, Brenot and Roller didn’t go to Cleveland, neither did Flynn and Chittum went to McCallie for longer than he did Cleveland. congrats to the kids that made it, it is extremely hard to make NCAA tourney. Hopefully some can pull through conso’s and make it to AA status! Pulling for you all as well as those that wrestled for UTC!

The administration did have some parents that wanted this coach because he was an assistant coach for us. So they just brought up an assistant instead of going with the best coach. So yeah there were parents with the QB club that helped make that decision but they didn’t come to me for it. So in the end the money people helped make it that decision and it was a terrible one.

But it’s the parents/athletes that run all over administration that try to end up making the final decision. Im Not saying to keep them completely out of the situation, I’m talking about letting them make the decision. You end up having assistants that are great assistants being head coach and can’t manage the difference! Went through 3 coaching changes but thankfully my wrestling coach stayed the same throughout with Coach Henry! However if Steve had decided to hang it up while I was there I still would have been happy with whoever they named head coach, would have stayed with it and finished out my wrestling career. With football I did experience it, made an assistant the head coach and I lost my job at corner and quit week before season started and went to wrestling full time. Didn’t care if they asked me who I wanted or not, but they wanted continuity and we ended with a coach that somewhat sucked as a head coach and left a few years later. Seems a lot in the QB club wanted him as head coach since he had been assistant and the team went from perennial playoff team to not being. So I’ve seen the situation firsthand. Kind of wished I had never played football and stayed concentrating on wrestling as I would have been a lot better than the average wrestler I became. I wish them luck on their hire, it’s always good to have a good McCallie and Baylor team in the Chattanooga area!

And that’s how we end up with coaches in over their heads and getting fired after a few seasons and killing programs! Sorry, you might feel entitled to that and you of course have great kids, but the right coach can win at Baylor with or without your kids as long as they can run a good program! We have seen plenty of programs even up to college level football, where the players want a certain coach to take over as head and after 2-3 years the program sucks and the program is set back because they listened to their athletes! You might not like that, but programs can live for a long time with the right coach, your kids are just a tiny bit of that program for a few years.

I understand that to a point, but the school needs to make the best hire for the school itself, we have seen in all sports what happens when an administration ask the players or parents about an hire. Lots of times it ends up a crap show and a terrible hire. It’s why you should always try to pick a school because of a school and not a particular coach because in the end that can change in blink of an eye.

Yeah, Ashton and Trae won their conference, Cody finished 6th

Congrats Trae’s dad!

I’m with you, I think the parents just wanted to have their kids wrestling and I understand it completely. What I would not have done though is have them wrestle in state duals, they really didn’t need them and I would not have put myself in that situation with my team. The reason for that is the Williams sisters team did not get shut down until Jan 29th, that was a Wednesday and the TN state duals were on Saturday. As the rule states they are supposed to attend class for 3 days before being eligible to participate. If you find out on Wed 29th there’s no way to get 3 days in, much less an established address. It’s a terrible look and not the way I would have handled it at all. They would have been able to go through practices and IF their team wasn’t reinstated which it was 2 weeks later at that time they could have done regions, sectionals and State. They still get the practice with some of the best girls in the state of TN but don’t open the team to possible forfeits. But hey, not my team and Josh handled it the way he saw best. Again I don’t think it would have really mattered, the best team still won.

Again, this was 2 other students that HAD been expelled for vapes before. Did not attack your son and my entire point has been, if found with a vape everyone needs to be treated the same way no matter if an athlete or not! As a matter a fact I had no idea it was your son until prob pages into that other thread and again it doesn’t matter if your son or anyone else’s including my own! If not treated the same way athlete or not I would have a problem with! So if you don’t like that you can kiss my butt! I even said your son was a good kid, met him before! I even said that I didn’t know the facts of the matter, however IF your son was treated differently I would have a problem with that and so would those that did face consequences for Vapes on school ground! So hold your breath on that apology because you won’t make it very long before you pass out!

I think WC missed 2 girls also from earlier in the season that were wrestling well, as far as Hilton bumping up, she might have done that to 138, but that would have left a hole for Cleveland at 132, that’s what I’m saying as far as moving weights around was helped a great deal with having the Williams sisters. Clover did get beat, but unless you can miraculously move Piper down to 152 WC is getting a win at 152 or 165(since Piper bumped to 185). Vandy barely even wrestled this year, so no idea how well she would have done, I’m guessing injury but she missed all but like 5-6 matches for the entire season. As far as Collins, she had no where to go. Your daughter was at 114 which is where Collins wrestled at, maybe she goes 120, but she would have had a difficult job just making it out of sectionals there and at state who knows if she scores points or not. I mean West Creek had 1 less wrestler at state they won by 9.5. Either way it was some good wrestling!! Congrats to your daughter!!!

I’ve never said Cleveland cheated having the Williams girls there, I’m sure they got the go ahead from TSSAA on it. I do question how they were able to do it when the girls team from Oklahoma didn’t get hit with infractions until the 29th of January and TSSA states there must be 3 days worth of class time before eligibility can begin. State duals were Feb 1st. But again I’m sure Cleveland got the go ahead. Now to pretend like having them didn’t extend your lineup and possibly affect the WC match is wrong. At that point it depends on who had to send first at which weights. So yes you guys did forfeit out last 3 weights and Hilton is winning whoever she faces at 132, however Lexi at 138 is pinning whoever Cleveland puts out there if they can’t roll Bella. Bowen beat Clover by major, she’s pinning whoever else Cleveland puts there. So I still think Cleveland wins that match, but it’s a closer matchup that Cleveland isn’t going to be able to forfeit the last 3 matches. The William sisters lengthened that lineup big time which allowed Cleveland the ability to move girls around more. So congrats to Cleveland girls on another State title, just don’t make excuses for WC winning the individual team title. As for who you lost, for most part looks like same team that went to duals also was in the sectional, so which defending placers were out?

Yeah, I must not have seen that post because only one I saw had the initials which still is a step to far!!

Shawn, Freco is correct it had his first and last initial plus state titles he had won. So it was completely pointing out a particular student and that should never happen!

Actually that isn’t what the law states as far as what discipline can happen if information is released. So please go back and do some more deep digging on the subject. Again, if you are an attorney I’d be more than happy to set you up to talk to my friend Walt who is an attorney and Nashville who I sent your posts to that laughed at it! also, I did not drag the student-athlete in this forum, what I have stated MULTIPLE times is that athletes SHOULD not be given preferential treatment compared to any other given student! I do not know the facts of this case and it could be as easy as he was standing in the same vicinity as someone that had a vape and never had one in his possession! The simple FACTS of it all though, is if there was preferential treatment given that is disgusting on the school system to allow and the school! You have a good day Freco and good luck to your kids and to Cleveland wrestling! You are good for the state of TN wrestling AND you guys do not cheat!

also as I have said, this has nothing to do with it being Cleveland. If this has happened at Soddy, I’d be the first in line to crucify them as much as I LOVE the school and it being my Alma mater and where both my kids either graduated or will graduate from! Also, if my student had made such a dumb mistake Knowing that the result would be expulsion from the school(which they have to sign they read the student handbook EVERY single year!). As much as I love him, I would not be fighting against him being expelled, I’d take it as a learning lesson for him and get him into online classes to stay on track to graduate! So if you take this as an attack solely on Cleveland have at it, I don’t care what any of you idiots from that school think of me, never have, never will! As far as those parent going to file a complaint with the school. Nah, they will just go file suit and let the courts decide it if they choose to do so! All I do know, is that during their hearing they were told there was no grey area on possession of vaping. So maybe they do go to court maybe they don’t care at this point. It was just interesting to see that tidbit come out on this forum and so I let those I know have information.