You guys are getting me all wrong, I never said anything about it being wrong or breaking rules. I am just pointing out a fact not conspiracy that a large number in the past in the 8th grade have been 15 in the fall during football when harriman(and others) played them in the past. I am sure they just turned 15 after Aug., but still 15. They might be getting away from pushing kinderstart, but it has been a effect tool. I wish that I would have done it myself, but for sports only would be my reason. It makes a big difference, that' all.