Point of order - Libero philosopy change

[oldsetter]

Ok, enough of this schedule and score posting. Let's start something juicy.

Since the Libero is now serving they can no longer be called a defensive specialist unless you think a 'Ace' is a defensive play. I move we now must refer to them as back row specialist. Just the way I see it.

 

Also, there is a hole in the rules. If the Libero jump serves and contacts the ball above the height of the net that would be a back row attack! We know it's not or would not be called, but the rules do not specify that it is legal for the Libero to attack the ball above the height of the net during serve.

 

Oh, how come NFHS adopted a fairly new rule on Libero serving but still has contact below the waist illegal which has been legal in the other rule sets for over 10 years?

 

Too much time on my hands........

oldsetter.

[play4keeps]

Ok, enough of this schedule and score posting. Let's start something juicy.

Since the Libero is now serving they can no longer be called a defensive specialist unless you think a 'Ace' is a defensive play. I move we now must refer to them as back row specialist. Just the way I see it.

 

Also, there is a hole in the rules. If the Libero jump serves and contacts the ball above the height of the net that would be a back row attack! We know it's not or would not be called, but the rules do not specify that it is legal for the Libero to attack the ball above the height of the net during serve.

 

Oh, how come NFHS adopted a fairly new rule on Libero serving but still has contact below the waist illegal which has been legal in the other rule sets for over 10 years?

 

Too much time on my hands........

oldsetter.

 

 

This is an interesting and I'm glad you brought it up. It seems silly to me that a DS CAN jump and hit behind the 10' line but a libero can't (if I understand you correctly) because truely, what is the REAL difference between these two positions other than the unlimited substitutions and the inability to play front row (which a DS generally doesn't do anyway--it's just not illegal).

[floorburn]

This is an interesting and I'm glad you brought it up. It seems silly to me that a DS CAN jump and hit behind the 10' line but a libero can't (if I understand you correctly) because truely, what is the REAL difference between these two positions other than the unlimited substitutions and the inability to play front row (which a DS generally doesn't do anyway--it's just not illegal).

 

This is an interesting topic. I also think that it is odd that a libero is not allowed to hand set the ball to an attacker while in front of the three meter line. I've heard that "libero" comes from a greek word meaning free, so why so many restrictions?

[oldsetter]

This is an interesting topic. I also think that it is odd that a libero is not allowed to hand set the ball to an attacker while in front of the three meter line. I've heard that "libero" comes from a greek word meaning free, so why so many restrictions?

 

Well actully it is said to be from a mispronunciation of the Italian word for free which is were it was started (Italy - FIVB rules). The free referes to not being charged a substitution which I believe you get fewer in FIVB.

 

Not setting (over hand) in the front row was a restriction to keep the Libero out of the offence (DS). Which seems like serving would contridict which is why I am going with the Back Row Specialist. I guess we should abriviate "BRS" to avoid the obvious

 

I don't have any bones about Liberos one way or another, it's just that I like rules based on a philosophy and not a 'why don't we try this?' approach. It seems like a DS should not be serving and the rules say nothing about the back-row-attack not being enforced during the serve.

[TNKen]

Wondered about the libro's jump serve as well. Of course, in USAV ball, it's not a problem because the libro doesn't serve.

 

My daughter is a libro and I cringe when she gets a back row set, but so far she's got the timing and swing mastered.

 

Ken

[varybarry]

Interesting thoughts everyone. I've never really thought about the Libero serving. Ken, best of luck to your daughter, I hope she continues to stay on track with her timing.

[bb317]

Well actully it is said to be from a mispronunciation of the Italian word for free which is were it was started (Italy - FIVB rules). The free referes to not being charged a substitution which I believe you get fewer in FIVB.

 

Not setting (over hand) in the front row was a restriction to keep the Libero out of the offence (DS). Which seems like serving would contridict which is why I am going with the Back Row Specialist. I guess we should abriviate "BRS" to avoid the obvious

 

I don't have any bones about Liberos one way or another, it's just that I like rules based on a philosophy and not a 'why don't we try this?' approach. It seems like a DS should not be serving and the rules say nothing about the back-row-attack not being enforced during the serve.

 

oldsetter sounds like you have issues with the back row players in general? The libero was originally instituted to make a place for smaller players who master an element of the game many feel is the engine for the sport. Sorry you have such a low opinion of the position... setters usually love those "ball control specialist"

[oldsetter]

oldsetter sounds like you have issues with the back row players in general? The libero was originally instituted to make a place for smaller players who master an element of the game many feel is the engine for the sport. Sorry you have such a low opinion of the position... setters usually love those "ball control specialist"

 

No, don't shoot. I have no issues with back row or Liberos. I just like clear rules. Say it like you do or do it like you say. The libero position was not instituted for the vertically challanged. It was to help overcome the substitution limit imposed by FIVB. Under international rules, teams were running out of subs for those big blockers that were getting in the way when they rotated to the back row where all the percision passing was required, so the libero was born. Liberos are some of the neatest players to watch. Now instead of fans cueing on the big hit, you can also watch the Libero throw them selves all over the place like they take it personal if the ball lands in their court. The good ones don't care if the block is there or not - whatever - that ball is not going down!

 

But jump serving does not seem to be defence to me soooooo I think the position has evolved in to a BRS and the rules should be changed to allow contact above the horizontal plane of the net on serve or say it is not. One or the oher. I hate ambiguity not the change. ?