Smyrna @ Brentwood

[vols1788]

This also happen in the class of 2007 playoff game and cost them the game and had to go into overtime which resluted in a loss. The fans came running on the field and everything but the refs said no good becuase they said they lost sight of the ball. I know these arent pro refs but come on!!

[fromthetop2]

This is just my opinion based on way too many incidents.

 

The better HS kickers will kick the ball with a lot of velocity and height. Since most schools aren't blessed with those type of kickers, officials are used to the "average"- and very easy to see- kickers. Those typical kickers kind of punch or bloop it over the crossbar, about 6 ft above. Easy to see and spot.

If you get some kid who has a seriously strong leg, the kick goes up and through way faster than they are used to seeing it kicked. It is also kicked well over the height of the goal posts. The officials then don't have a real sense of did it go through or not because it was too fast and too high. Their reaction time is seriously off.

 

The "too high" part now comes into the disorientation of the officials. As they belatedly turn their heads to look up, the kick appears to be tailing off. They then are left with this tiny bit of misinformation with which to make a call; if it looks offline, it MUST have been offline to begin with. One official thinks it's off line, so he looks at the other official (who really can't tell at this point) and they concur "no good."

 

This is where the fallacy comes into play: If they looked at the spin of the ball it would tell them everything they need to see if there was a question. If it is end-over-end, the probability is extremely high that it was good; it if is wobbling or is going in coincentric circles ( a precession mode), then the chances are it wasn't good-the more the wobble, the greater the arc, the more likely that it did not go inside the goal post. But because the speed, most off center kicks will easily clear the crossbar and fall within the plane of the goal posts.

The reason is that an end-over-end kick has enough forward momentum that it is almost impossible to not: A) get it over the crossbar, or arc sharply enough to go outside the goal posts. With a precession mode, the probability of the arc causing it to go outside the goalposts after it is kicked, is higher. It is like putting a golf ball. A straight rolling put (struck with the same forces) will roll faster than a one hit off center. A well kicked ball will go straight, unless a force alters its flight (like a lineman's hand). Again, the speed of the kick catches the officials off guard, and they misjudge what they see. This has happened time and time again. Excellent kickers are more likely to be penalized because they are, well, too good.

 

The playoff game was a hose job because there was one official standing under one side of the goal posts. The kick was high and fast and as he looked over his head, it appeared to arc away from him- which replays showed was not the case. There was no wobble to the ball, no one touched it, and it wasn't yanked.

[mykidsdad]

This is just my opinion based on way too many incidents.

 

The better HS kickers will kick the ball with a lot of velocity and height. Since most schools aren't blessed with those type of kickers, officials are used to the "average"- and very easy to see- kickers. Those typical kickers kind of punch or bloop it over the crossbar, about 6 ft above. Easy to see and spot.

If you get some kid who has a seriously strong leg, the kick goes up and through way faster than they are used to seeing it kicked. It is also kicked well over the height of the goal posts. The officials then don't have a real sense of did it go through or not because it was too fast and too high. Their reaction time is seriously off.

 

The "too high" part now comes into the disorientation of the officials. As they belatedly turn their heads to look up, the kick appears to be tailing off. They then are left with this tiny bit of misinformation with which to make a call; if it looks offline, it MUST have been offline to begin with. One official thinks it's off line, so he looks at the other official (who really can't tell at this point) and they concur "no good."

 

This is where the fallacy comes into play: If they looked at the spin of the ball it would tell them everything they need to see if there was a question. If it is end-over-end, the probability is extremely high that it was good; it if is wobbling or is going in coincentric circles ( a precession mode), then the chances are it wasn't good-the more the wobble, the greater the arc, the more likely that it did not go inside the goal post. But because the speed, most off center kicks will easily clear the crossbar and fall within the plane of the goal posts.

The reason is that an end-over-end kick has enough forward momentum that it is almost impossible to not: A) get it over the crossbar, or arc sharply enough to go outside the goal posts. With a precession mode, the probability of the arc causing it to go outside the goalposts after it is kicked, is higher. It is like putting a golf ball. A straight rolling put (struck with the same forces) will roll faster than a one hit off center. A well kicked ball will go straight, unless a force alters its flight (like a lineman's hand). Again, the speed of the kick catches the officials off guard, and they misjudge what they see. This has happened time and time again. Excellent kickers are more likely to be penalized because they are, well, too good.

 

The playoff game was a hose job because there was one official standing under one side of the goal posts. The kick was high and fast and as he looked over his head, it appeared to arc away from him- which replays showed was not the case. There was no wobble to the ball, no one touched it, and it wasn't yanked.

 

Dude you actually thought this through, WOW. I told a ref friday night after he failed to throw a flag on a blatant late hit out out bounds "great call, you just missed it" I told a baseball umpire once "are you going to miss all the calls or just the ones that matter"