Cheerleaders (again)

[JustWrestle]

Hmmm - well, I can't find the post on the "wrestling cheerleaders", but I agree with who posted it. For the sake of the wrestlers trying to hear their coaches yell moves, etc., I think cheerleaders at a wrestling match just should not be. I agree that it would be nice if the coaches did away with them altogether and just make them managers, or something along that line, then that would fill the Title IX requirement, and put the girls to doing something useful and constructive. No, I'm not sexist, just practical.

[thegatling]

I personally think that cheerleaders are good. They add to the atmosphere and puts more girls in the gym. I enjoy having them there, they inspire.

[delaWarr]

Someone in the other cheerleader thread also made mention of cheerleaders and Title IX. Cheerleaders have nothing to do with Title IX and its enforcement.

[JustWrestle]

They inspire what? They inspire me to offer them to the Great God of Wrestling. To my understanding, cheerleading is as much a part of Title IX as any other sport, so, why wouldn't it be considered?

[thekeg55]

I am not really sure what Title IX is can comeone tell me.

[delaWarr]

JustWrestle, One of the problems with the proportionality application of Title IX is that activities like cheerleading that are made up largely of women are not included in the count. Go to the Title IX section of the message board of tennwrestling.com and scroll down to TITLE IX SOLUTION. Eric LeSher, reporter for Intermat, offered a solution at the Chicago meeting of the Title IX Commission. Number 4 among his recommendations was "Counting cheerleading and other non-NCAA recognized athletes in the equation." I won't take a position on whether or not programs should have wrestling cheerleaders, but I hope this information will increase your resolve to become even more active in your support of the wrestling position in the fight for survival on the college level...and possibly down the road, on the highschool level.

 

thekeg55, This is my understanding of Title IX and the Wrestling Community's issue with it: Title IX was US Congress' effort back in the '70s to give all participants equal opportunites in institutions that received federal monies. The bottom line, as far as wrestling and some other Olympic sports are concerned, is that Department of Education has elected to tell institutions that if they follow a proportionality prong of the enforcement guidelines that they will be in compliance and will not have to defend themselves against costly and timeconsuming probes by the Department. This prong essentially states that the number of athletes on a campus must reflect the number of students enrolled by gender, i.e., if the student enrollment includes 55% female, then 55% of the athletes on campus must be female. You can readily see how many female athletes it would take just to match the number of football players. Therefore, in order to comply with DOE, administrations elect to eliminate some men's sports, of which, wrestling has been hit the hardest.

[JustWrestle]

thanks dellWare - you certainly did clear things up about Title IX, sorry for my ignorance where that regards Cheerleaders & Title IX. I agree that something needs to be changed regarding proportionality.

Now - I still think cheerleaders just are more of a nuisance than a help. Again, I do apologize to all those cheerleaders out there, but I really think they could serve a better purpose as wrestling managers or something like that.

[SuperZ]

One solution to the Title IX problem I have been hearing is that the funding should be proportional to the number of athletes in each gender that want to participate in the organized sports at each school. For instance if a school was 55% female and only 15% wanted to participate and the male population was 45% and 30% wanted to participate then the funding would be 66 2/3% male and 33 1/3% female. This may be a better way or not. What do you think?

[flyingmerkel]

justwrestle,

Fact of life...boys wrestle harder when girls are watching! I certainly dont claim to know everything about gender relations but i think that this is one of life's indisputable truths. Plus, we arent exactly doing a great job getting a lot of fans and people outside of our sport interested. I think we would be crazy to remove cheerleading. Lets face it, there isnt a whole lot of glamour in wrestling as it is...why remove what little we have.

-Flyingmerkel-

[JustWrestle]

in one word: ANNOYING

[thekeg55]

Posted by flyingmerkel:

justwrestle,

Fact of life...boys wrestle harder when girls are watching! I certainly dont claim to know everything about gender relations but i think that this is one of life's indisputable truths. Plus, we arent exactly doing a great job getting a lot of fans and people outside of our sport interested. I think we would be crazy to remove cheerleading. Lets face it, there isnt a whole lot of glamour in wrestling as it is...why remove what little we have.

-Flyingmerkel-

 

 

But, you might perform better when girls are wathcing. But, they can watch from the stands.

[morelanmn]

In my opinion the more people that are involved in the sport of wrestling the more the sport will grow. Cheerleaders have families and friends. That is more support

for the wrestling in a school. Then you have the little brothers and sisters of these cheerleaders that will be exposed to wrestling,(a indirect feeder program). Also it shows to the basketball group and the A.D. that wrestling

has intrest outside the parents of the wrestlers. Bring on the cheerleaders and all who are with them.

 

Michael Morelan