ERA

Hey, if you want to talk Obama...... as I've said before, sit back and watch Rome burn while Obama attempts to navigate us through the flames!... what a laugh... Obama as president. We deserve what we get people. When you have a nation that is willing to put Obama, Reid and Pelosi in charge, there is no hope but maybe hope that they will misstep so bad that an aggressive country might test them... then we'll see how they muster... yeah right.

Always a pleasure to debate with you Tex... always a pleasure.

Crap Tex!!! I don't want to get into an exchange here with you and have to post countless quotes and moves G.W. has made over the last term. Dang, that would make me feel like ELA and I HATE THAT!!! LOL! Anyways, what I will do is put up a couple of things just to show that G.W. was all about NAFTA and not just keeping the gates open but also knock the fence down. G.W....."We must affirm our commitment to complete negotiations on the free trade area of the Americans by January, 2005. Nothing we do [at the trade meeting] in Quebec will be more important or have a greater long-term impact. It will make our hemisphere the largest free trade area in the world, encompassing 34 countries and 800 million people. There??™s a vital link between freedom of people and freedom of commerce. Democratic freedoms cannot flourish unless our hemisphere also builds a prosperity whose benefits are widely shared. And open trade is an essential foundation for that prosperity and that possibility. Open trade fuels the engines of economic growth that creates new jobs and new income. It applies the power of markets to the needs of the poor. It spurs the process of economic and legal reform. It helps dismantle protectionist bureaucracies that stifle incentive and invite corruption. And open trade reinforces the habits of liberty that sustain democracy over the long term."" When asked if he would pursue a hemispheric trade deal extending the benefits of NAFTA to Central and South America and the Caribbean? G.W... "My administration will foster democracy and level barriers to trade. If elected, my goal will be free trade agreements with all the nations of Latin America. We can do so in cooperation with our NAFTA partners. We should also do so with Chile, and Brazil and Argentina, the anchor states of Mercosur. We will also work toward free trade with the smaller nations of Central America and the Caribbean. We must be flexible because one-size-fits-all negotiations are not always the answer. But the ultimate goal will remain constant, free trade from northernmost Canada to the tip of Cape Horn. In the near term, we will renew trade preferences with the Andean nations - enacted in 1991, and set to expire next year." No trade barriers from Alaska to the tip of Cape Horn Bush went campaigning in Mexico today, dedicating the World Trade Bridge in Laredo. ???In the past there have been walls of divide between Mexico and the US,??? Bush said. ???We must be committed to raise the bridges of trade & friendship & freedom.??? Bush said the opening of the bridge was an example of the growing economic ties between the US and Mexico. In promising to push aggressively for free trade in this hemisphere, Bush said he would tear down trade barriers from Alaska to ???the tip of the Cape Horn.??? CRAPCRAPCRAP!!! Got ELA crap all over me....dang. That's all I'm going to do here about this issue and here's my point. Your point is well taken and on the mark. I'm not in any disagreement with what you claimed in your post ...except.... the picture is much larger than that. Our country and it's economics has been somewhat of a protectionist type since WWII when the world took it's first steps toward globalization. WWII showed the world that we were no longer isolated but the US economy still was taking a protectionist path because we didn't have to compete at that time. An economy is much like a ball club. It is a direct reflection of how you manage it and how you pick your players. Barring some isolated blips in approaches to run the economy in the 70's, it pretty much had been managed with small steps from more protectionism to less protectionism with tariffs and removal of them as well. Take a ball club for instance, you have most of the pieces of the puzzle but are missing a key player. You bide your time make some adjustments and eventually you find the player you can trade for or buy out. One bad move and you could have a cancer in the locker room which brings the whole thing down. Or, you have a team that's not finding equilibrium in their play and you clean out half the locker room and add a ton of new players and you have chaos for seasons to come. Economics is a Delicate balance. Any moves made to stimulate it have to be small and frequent at times but the less you do to it while it's running well the better. Now, KICK THE GATES OPEN AND KNOCK THE FENCES DOWN and you have total chaos. Not in the beginning because an economic engine is a slow reactor. Put in too much fuel today, it may take months to years before the results show what happens when you do that.... hence .... that's why moves need to be small and steady. G.W. Bush's economic plan took Clintons NAFTA reform and blew it up into a mananomous monster. It turned on itself and devoured the ones that created it. YOU CANNOT MAKE BIG MOVES FOR ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENTS.... and G.W. was an idiot just like Bill Clinton. Slow steady growth is the way of markets good health. Bill rode the wave with his NAFTA move because the world economy was lusting for it and responded but that was running it's course already when G.W. came along and was drawn into that trap. He knew his dad was THROWN out of office because he didn't pay attention to the economy and feared the same result but acted like a kid with a can of gas trying to restart a fire. As the fences were torn down, so were the jobs for the american people. Yes, G.W. didn't carry the jobs over the borders but he paved 5000 mile wide path for them to leave. Without any guidelines or restrictions, the companies left in droves. The elitist view that Americans will take the high paying corporate jobs and high tech jobs and keep them here while the factory line jobs can leave.... well guess what... americans are like every other country in the world and are heavily diverse. There is a huge amount of americans that want to go to work and come home and not have to think about work. They want the factory jobs, they want a home and they want a family but their value system is NOT to be dedicated to their job... just do their job and go home. Elitists views are so skewed and the republican party is as full of that as the democrats. It's not just THIS way or THAT way... it's a whole market of diverse workers with different life priorities. Any other view could be seen as FACIST. NAFTA could have worked had someone with half a brain looking out for our country fifty years down the road rather than four. Guidelines like allowing corporations to go across the borders but only 25% of their total company gross in people and money. As an example, certain parts of a product could be built over the borders then brought in to make the total package or it works in reverse. How you want to dice it is strictly up to you but it's a sound approach to making small moves. In the end, Bush policies are short term and not healthy as the moves he made placing tariffs on after opening the markets only to remove tariffs twenty months afterwards was proof enough for me that he didn't have a cluen nor did his team. He can fight a war and rattle sabers as good as any of them but allowing our economy to go into the tank because of poor planning and lack of insight during the good times is inexcusable. Whoever takes office over the next four terms needs to heed these lessons and invest long. Forget the short and forget trying to buy votes for the next election. Put country first and then maybe you deserve to live.

Tex, to answer your questions with all specifics would take a post of "ELA" proportions but to hit just a couple I as well as you know that the middle class jobs have been continually given across our borders. Taking our economy to a "World Economy" just as Bush I said in his speech during his midterm using the "end of days" phrase from the Bible "NEW WORLD ORDER". The Bush mantra and priority has been to take our economy and our middle class jobs across the borders and have a world economy. Making that kind of adjustment on a mere speculative move without thinking this through was catastrophic. Just as economists had predicted, this has cost us not only a recession but a world recession. Japan had a similar recession ten years ago. The difference being that the rest of the world as a whole was not in as bad of shape. They had the obvious option, since they were major exporters, of taking the bull by the horn and continue on with their philosophies of investing back into their manufacturing and build products with world wide appeal and the world bought in. With a healthy world economy whose nations were not so directly tied to each other, the money was there for them to buy Japanese products and Japan recovered. Today, a world economy, not by accident, has fallen on top of itself. Who is now in the "BUYERS SEAT"? Our nations monetary system and investments had no checks and balances and where there were some they had the fox watching the hen house. The majority in the "millionaire" brackets were in it to take and not to invest in the future. Our government has taken us down a road of dependency on them and set us up for a huge fall. The current administration did nothing to stop the flow of money overseas to the oil kings and as usual, were worried more about what they could get out of it for themselves...(reelection and favors). Instead of Bush parading around with King Fahd and carrying his robe tails, he should have been doing whatever he could to get the country off of their oil and drilling ours by POUNDING THE CONGRESS into submission by putting forth a plan to convert us off of carbon based fuels by 50% in twenty years. This is not leadership, this administration set an example of what not to do during good times. While our economy was flourishing, america should have been making headway towards dependency and stop the funding of terrorism by buying foreign oil. If you or I ran a business like this we would be fired. Bush didn't learn from the time when Clinton was in office and the Republican congress refused to pass a budget. Months pass and the republicans wouldn't budge nor do anything to reach agreement and just slammed the door. The next election, congressional republicans took it to the nose and lost seats of epic proportions. You cannot shut down when the people elect you to do your job regardless. Bush has shown this over and over. If you have been wondering why I haven't been on the Bush bandwagon, it's because of issues like these that I could write a book on. I fault our government for putting us in this situation and the greed of the american investor looking short rather than long. We do not deserve a bailout. We do not deserve any help from the government because we were stupid enough to fall into this contrived trap. Let america hurt for at least ten years and then we might learn something. Too many recent generations of being coddled and took care of. There has to be a pennance to pay or we don't learn. Simple as that.

Virtually, what you're saying is "Fred Thompson" is dead. Like I have said since the beginning of Bush II (second term), we were doomed. Second term presidents are a joke when they come from my generation. It's common to think that after the first term that they get all their cronies paid off and now can get down to business but, what we find is they put the ship on cruise control and continue to take from the system rather than put into the system. In Bush's mind, he set his legacy to be remembered as "the president that kept this nation safe" when in reality he bankrupted it. It's a total disgrace. Reagan, (obviously not from my generation) was the only recent president that gave till the end. You guys know this is nothing new coming from me. I've not been a Bush supporter right about the time when Rummy was getting hammered in the press. Bush was guilty of trying to win a war without a draft which limited our capability to effectively take control of the chaos in Iraq. Had Patreus' been in that position, we would not be in this mess today without a draft. It's strictly "Bad Choices" that have gotten to where we are and the fact that millionaires became billionaires under this administration while the middle class was left laying on the canvas of our nations future.

That is one of those credit card "Priceless" moments...lol Never thought I would see the day. By the way, while perusing that same website, I found this link talking about Obama's personality and it is a fairly interesting take about the surreal effect of the Obama cult. The Cult of Obama

I hope Reid does try to do this. I have faith this will backfire tremendously. At least, let's hope so. Fox News will see to it that it will be played out to the max.

Coach, I have never been able to stomach Letterman since he became such a dufus about politics years ago. Leno has always been my favorite but his jokes were getting so bad that I believe he jumped on the Bush bash wagon to get laughs... therefore, I gave up my 38 yr watch of the tonight show about two months ago. ESPN is getting on my nerves with all this politico talk on their radio programs. Can't even watch football without it being a part of it lately. Of course, the networks are a joke with bias. I've pretty much have gone sports, documentaries and history on the TV. I usually get my news from the internet. At least I can be selective and not have to watch the drivel. This tells me that since things have gotten so bad that even I have switched off the news that maybe this is a nationwide trend of tuning out the talking heads. I do watch Fox news in the morning. It is somewhat fair and balanced but they can't help but ask bias right wing questions. I watch O'Reilly occasionally and can't handle the arguing on Hannity anymore. Guess I'm getting intolerant. I do like to heare Michael Savage reminisce about the old days when america was great though. I'm not sure anything is safe from bias. All I know is that times have changed and opinions have changed intensely because of the saturation effect.

Oprah is a hack. She has created the "black elitist".

I am probably one of the oldest guys on the boards. I've been around through several presidents where I have studied the policies, promises and moves they have made over the years. The presidency is the one office that SHOULD be above reproach. There has been a benchmark set through the period of time that no person should be even considered to hold that position if they have had any ties to communists, terrorists or have been a part of any organization that represents a threat to the United States of America. With the amount of evidence that has been presented against Obama and his "associations" he should be nowhere near the White House much less running it. We've shed too much blood to have this great country and it has been hijacked by radicals. I'm not a sore loser and I assure you that I would have supported Gore, Kerry and the like simply because they have not had ties to threats to our great nation. In this case, the american populous has been caught up in a perfect storm of a crashing economy, a war and a possibility of a second or third war and a country overrun by illegals and foreign country radicals. Ultimately, you measure yourself on how you perform under pressure and the country flunked...sold out....and stripped the last credible office in our land by placing someone with these ties into it. If the veterans of World War II were alive today, their votes would not have allowed this to happen. Our country's biggest problem is we quickly forget our mistakes and are soon destined to relive them not in 100 to 200 yrs but within 10. Socialism will be the least of our problems. Just wait and see.

I for one am not buying in or supporting his term. His backing of Reverend Wright for twenty years and associations with known terrorists are not conducive for being president of the United States of America. If you want to lower the bar and accept that, that is anyone's choice but I refuse to stand for that. I will view this administration with great scrutiny. Our nations security is now being governed by a man that backs a phrase of Goddamamerica!!!! Wake up people. We will just have to bide our time and wait for this four years to pass while being vigilant in our watch over our country. Let's pray that we our country doesn't collapse on itself. Like most of you, I'm mad, I'm confused and also elightened on just how a country can be taken over by socialists.

Obama is NO Ronald Reagan... He is the great impersonator. Reagan gave hope without keeping people on the dole. He was a true american. Obama will be the beginning of a time for the worse events ever to happen on our american soil...... brother against brother. Let's just hope I'm wrong but I haven't been wrong about anything to do with this election yet. Yet, on the other hand, where do I stand in line to get my mortgage paid and my health insurance paid for????..... just like all the other fools. My generation raised a generation of fools. Handing everything to their kids and not haviing the majority of them to work for it. It became obscene and under brow to work when your parents were well off enough to give you everything. Now, lets' see what two generations of spoiled brats will do for our nation... time will tell.

Instead of a huge stump speech, i'll give you the cliff notes. Reagan charmed america and garnered votes from both sides of the election process with his speaking skills and his positive message following four years of the calamity of Carter and his inability to do anything to give us hope and the worse housing mess in history since the depression. Obama charms america and garners votes from both sides of the election process with his speaking skills and his positive message of change following eight years of the bottoming out of Bush and his inability to do anything to give us hope and the worse housing and banking mess since the depression. I claimed Obama would win by 8% or greater two weeks ago at work or I have to give a party at my house for all my workmates. I'm going shopping tomorrow and buy groceries.... maybe Obama's giveaway programs can subsidize my "BoooHooo Party" instead of my "WoooHooo Party". I fault the republicans for losing this. I just hope I wake up in the morning and this was all a bad dream.

I don't watch it because I don't have time but my oldest daughter and her husband have all the episodes. Their cell phones use the theme song from the show and my son in law also uses Halperts Revenge for his name in Call of Duty 4 video game. Needless to say, they are huge fans.

I married up. My wife is taller than I am... /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

When the Palin selection went down, I was stunned as most of you were. At the same time, I saw all the positives with few negatives and thought the same as you about what a coup this really was. It gave me hope that change may really be on its' way with the right set of values and direction. I've not had the time to investigate her political tendencies on some hot button issues so I'm asking you where does she stand on illegal aliens and trade? They say she's a union member but will she bring the middle class working jobs back to this country? I realize she will be running as a VP but we need to know her full identity on the issues for getting our country back. As far as I am concerned, it was totally refreshing to see this unfold before our eyes. The Dems were outflanked by their own mantra. Now, all the Reps have to do is win and not lose it by saying or doing something really stupid. Let's now sit back and watch the Dems flail away at a 105mph screw ball /popcorneater.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":popcorneater:" border="0" alt="popcorneater.gif" /> and see how they try to adjust to it! /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

"In a recent statement, a paternity test for John Edwards was denied by his mistress, which furthermore, raises the stakes of this game of poker Edwards is playing with the media. Certainly, he can not be thinking that we the press will drop this crucial matter over a man whose platform was based on moral values. It is also reported from good sources that submittal of evidentiary importance to the press has just recently taken place and we will take you to our news room for the latest information on this case. Sherry, can you fill us in?" "Yes I can Robert, what we have is an email coming from the John Edwards mistress titled "Statement To The Press" but all we don't find any comments other than a single attachment so keep the cameras rolling as we open it to find out what her statement is and we will read it to you as we see it for the first time right along with our audience"..... Attachment

The Family Tree...

Ladies and gentleman, please be seated and fasten your seatbelts. It's about to get bumpy.... US..UK..France Blockade Buildup It's a blog but I've done some searching. Lots of credible info. Just not sure about all of it yet. God help us.

Tara is burning my friends.... Tara is burning.

Bio of Oprah's past and present religious celeb malfeasance... Raised as a Baptist; trained in New Age. It is these people that scare me most. They have money and power which was acquired out of the pockets of our core christian base people (mostly women) to the sum of billions. Now, money is not enough, it's time to lead people away from Christianity and take them to the New Age promised land.....heck! We've lost our country's core values friends. We are seeing stupidity at its best. Dumb down our school systems and you get idiots that can't think for themselves only to be led by false prophets. This is why the breakup of our family values was instrumental in breeding this kind of rubbish. Hope based on lost souls searching for something that they have no clue about. Our generation will be known as the devil children that led a great country and what it represents straight to HE!!.

I couldn't have said it as well Stan... good job.

You know, I see this all the time with the wealthy where they are influenced by some subculture and wind up with a distorted view of christianity or worse, new age worship. I guess I'm as eye opening of an investigator into religion as most people that want to know more about our past. Through all the investigations that I've done, I am now even more convinced of our origin and where our place is in the universe. For gosh sakes, I do my best to disprove things only to find even more proof of our God's existance. If it's that obvious to me, it certainly is that obvious to the cultists in Hollywood. You guys said it best, "And we thought Tom Cruise was crazy!" /popcorneater.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":popcorneater:" border="0" alt="popcorneater.gif" /> ... pass the couch

AND.......... then there was this recent outburst... Oprah is God

Oprah Denies On YouTube