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So, which story are you claiming to be true? It's funny when you look at the tape, that none of the kids near that particular official, or any official, "react" to your imaginary whistle... Just admit that you told an outright lie.....

An absolute malicous downright FALSE statement............ For those that care how the game ended, Watertown rebounded a missed shot by H.S that would have tied the game. After possessing the rebound, the clock operator (a former H.S. b'ball coach) stopped the clock claiming he "heard a whistle" (1.4 seconds remaining). The rebounding Watertown kid held the ball for 3 to 4 seconds as no H.S. player attempted to foul. The officials recognized that the clock had been stopped for some time and did the right thing by ending the ball game. Until proven otherwise, poster "DCMHMSMHCC" has no credibility on this board.

I hope she was screaming at that one male parent that screams and hollers the most idiotic things during every game. I don't know who he is, but he's a real embarassment to that loyal fan base...........

You would just have to understand Clarkrange.....

Oh my, don't let Melton see that!

Fascinating reply, yet immature comment. I'm not a ref... don't want to be.... I encourage you, "since the tapes do not lie", to spend a little 'objective' time watching the missed free throws, the unforced turnovers, missed offensive/defensive assignments, and yes, the coaching errors of your team. But, I don't believe that you have enough understanding or maturity to realize that the 'game' is full of imperfections. Since basketball's inception, it has never been perfect, and I hate to disappoint you, it never will be perfect. And that includes coaches and players, as well as officials. Learn to accept it, or find another hobby such as 'golf', where there are no referees...... Finally, I'm personally offended to be referred to as "... one of those 'cheating' referees". As stated above, I'm not a referee, and more importantly, I'm not a 'cheater'. You can disagree with my opinion(s), but the personal 'slap' at my character is not acceptable. Additionally, I don't 'teach' kids anything about 'cheating' as you have replied. My interaction with kids is to teach them about personal resposibility and facing the decisions that they make in their lives. You, on the other hand, well...... I won't go there. Reasonable people who read your posts can come to their own conclusion..... But, I will encourage you to realize and accept the mistakes that you make, and don't spend your entire life looking to 'blame' the other guy, when the biggest problem is probably yourself.

What do they gain? They get paid the same regardless of who wins, and I doubt that any of them wants to be branded a "cheater" for the small amount of money that they do make. For the "I Hate The Referee Crowd", I'd love to see the refs take a week off and force all the high school games to be cancelled. The week of the District or Regional tournament would be the perfect time. Then we could let the players call the fouls, or let the coaches call the fouls, or maybe some of you fans would hit the floor and referee........

How dare you come on this board and make a comment like that.... Don't you know that it's always those dastardly referees fault when you lose?

Don't you know.... Don't never talk about turnovers (or missed lay-ups, missed free throws, missed assignments, etc.............) on this board...... It's easier to get online and blame those that can't defend themselves... I would like to see a game with no referees, and just let the kids (and coaches) call the fouls and violations on their own.... Better yet, pick one fan from each team, sitting in the stands, and let them have a whistle and referee from the stands... I'm sick of the "blame everyone but me" excuses......

Sorry PTSportsWriter, your complaint carries no weight, and I bet 'some officials might like for you to show some competence'. For example: Case #1 (as descibed by you) - This situation is INDEED a "correctable error" by rule (Rule 2-10). A casebook play very similar to the one you mentioned is listed in the high school case book as "2.10.1 Situation A". I hope in your 'part-time' officiating, that you do not officiate my kid's game. I have a feeling that there may be more rules that you do not understand.... Case #2 (as described by you) - Now we're dealing with 'judgement' as to the severity of the contact and who created the contact. At this point I don't trust your judgement (refer to Case #1 since you obviously didn't know that rule) - insomuch as the offensive player ".... runs over a defensive player". I guess that I would have to see the play. But let me assure you, the rule book makes note of incidental contact (Rule 4-27) that should not constitute a foul and is permitted. This rule even states that some contact should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe when opponents are in equally favorably positions to perform normal offensive and defensive movements. So, Case #2 is strictly a judgement call. In your opinion, it should NOT have been a 'no-call'. In the official's opinion, it was a 'no-call'. Who's right? I don't know. But I know one thing that is right, too many folks want to combine the rules or some of the rules from Jr. Pro to the NBA, and pick out what they think is the rule to satisfy their personal agenda. I think you fall into that category. Sorry to appear so negative, but I hate to see the personal bias of a fan supercede or intertwine itself with fact. By the way, I'm not a basketball official - and nor do I want to be. I can't handle the idiots!

I totally disagree........ As a Middle Tennessean, with no ties to any private school, I was in attendance simply to watch a 'great' high school football game, and that's what I got! On the last drive, the late hit out of bounds was obvious, as was the 2 CBHS players that lined up in the 'neutral' zone on the 4th down and short. CBHS, who is a very good team in my opinion, simply made some mistakes at the wrong time. The refs did not determine the outcome. Don't forget, prior to the last drive by MUS, CBHS had the ball in the "red zone", but threw an interception. I believe that the interception and the 'double' pass that went for a touchdown by MUS, were the two biggest plays of the game. This was a 'great' high school football game, between two exceptional teams, and it should not be diminished with the misguided mindset of "blaming the refs". Congratulations and good luck to both teams in the future.

I'd like to see "accountability" against the posters that offer inaccurate, malicious and stupid information on this site. Oh, BTW....... with all the coaching changes that have popped up the last few days, not a one of those firings mentioned that the coach was dismissed due to their 'won/loss' record..... If coaches were actually held accountably for their win/loss records as so many of you have posted, name me one coach that was recently fired solely due to their record. Additionally, if coaches are held 'accountable' for their 'won/loss' record, why aren't more coaches fired each year? Just curious...........

Open your eyes and "Grow Up!" Everything in this world is about money, and rightfully so. It's a great motivator! This crap of slamming anyone or anything just because they're 'making' money just gets OLD. In addition, this crap of that 'everyone else' should pay the cost, except yourself, is just a weak way of thinking...... You will not get far in this world if you believe that everyone 'owes' you something. If your're so concerned about the 'GAME' (and not the money), why don't you VOLUNTEER your time and expense, and do some things for the 'GAME'! The schools will gladly accept you as a volunteer assistant coach, a concession stand worker, a ticket taker, or any of the other various tasks associated with high school b'ball. Or better yet, become a ref and referee some games for FREE...... after all, as you stated it....... "... forget about the money, this is about the GAME!" Put some ACTIONS behind those words............

A secret meeting has already been held, and the TSSAA has informed the sub-state officials on which teams are to win. Additionally, the state tournament champions have already been selected by the TSSAA (the plaques have been sent off to be engraved). I guess that we'll have to wait a couple of weeks to see who has been selected in all three classifications. In the meantime, spend money, and lots of it, and support your local team. BTW, a secret meeting was held this weekend by the NCAA to select which teams would be in this year's Final Four. The 'champion' will be selected in another secret meeting that will be held next weekend. And finally, Major League Baseball has had a secret meeting and has decided that the Chicago Cubs will not play in this year's World Series. But I don't think that they needed a secret meeting for that.......... thumb

I think he 'winked' at the ref...... something like this...

Here's the deal --- For the 'move' to be legal, the player (boy or girl) MUST return to the floor with both feet simutaneously prior to shooting or passing the ball. The reason that the girls are called for traveling more often, and this is not a sexist statement, is simply due to the fact that 'most' girls (in general) are not as fast or quick as the boys. It may be that with the 'slower' speed the ref has a better look to see if both feet return to the floor simutaneously. Additionally, the girls use this move less, comparably speaking, which draws greater scrutiny in my opinion from the refs. By the way, its called a 'jump-stop'..............

ksgovols, By golly, I think you just "nailed" it! GREAT POST...... thumb

Huge upset! I predict that the 'refs' were at fault, and there will be little mention of missed shots, missed free throws, turnovers, bad coaching decisions, or how well Clarkrange played.

Only poking a little "backward-type" pun at some of the posts, but especially at the 'topic'........ There are a lot of 'imperfections' with high school athletics, but the 'positives' easily outweigh the negatives. I just hate to see any group (in this case - referees) crucified in a format where it only intensifies the hatred and stimulates the emotions of so many against that group....

Actually, I'm more concerned about bad coaches. You know, the ones that are always making strategic mistakes during the game and not properly preparing the kids for the game. But, this is CoachT, and I shouldn't criticize the coaches in any form -- there are no bad coaches. Well, I'm more concerned about bad players. You know, the ones that are constantly missing lay-ups, taking low-percentage shots, and playing shotty defense. Oops, this is CoachT, and I shouldn't criticize the players, they are 'kids' afterall....... and all of them are eligible for Division 1 college scholarships..... Okay, I'm more concerned about the fans and how they can literally abuse the kids with deflamatory and sometimes profane language. Seems like every school has at least one fan that know more about basketball and all of its shortcomings than Coach K at Duke. My mistake, we aren't suppose to talk about that, this is CoachT afterall... I'm more concerned about the political folks, you know the members of the school boards, or school administration, or the local 'big-wigs' that use their influence to dictate who will coach, or who will play in tonight's game. Sorry, I didn't realize that there was an "unspoken" rule not to criticize those folks since they are always correct, afterall, this is CoachT. Okay, I agree -- the refs have ruined high school basketball.............

I have to disagree about this accountability issue and here's why...... Coaches are held accountable only in one area --- "sportsmanship". High school coaches are educators first and foremost ---- the basketball court is nothing more than an extension of the classroom -- period. Imagine any teacher, in any school setting, throwing the tantrums that so many of you consider to be part of 'the game of basketball' in a classroom full of our young people. Imagine a teacher berating a student (or your child) or degrading a priciple in front of the class... in front of your child.........Would that behavior be acceptable to you? Of course it wouldn't........ So why are you so disturbed that an educator is penalized for 'unsportsmanlike' behavior???? Officials, on the other hand are held accountable.......the better officials will work more games while the weaker official slowly becomes obsolete. Keep this in mind, consider how many 'terrible' officials that you watched 5 years ago that are still officiating today? They tend to work themselves out of a job, don't they? So you want to hold the official and the coach to comparable accountability? Okay, I don't have a problem with that...... For discussion purposes let's imagine that we have an official that constantly misses the 'hand-check' foul in a game. After the game, his Supervisor suspends him for his next assignment, declaring that he used poor judgement, and didn't properly enforce the rules of the game. That would make a bunch of you happy, I know. But, in the same game the coach for school 'A' constantly ran a play that failed to score a point in 7 tries, and furthermore, he ran a man-to-man defense when everyone in the gym knew that he should have been in a 'zone'. The coach should be suspended, just like the official, for not exercising good judgement and failing to recognize the basic basketball fundamentals that every basketball coach should know. Both of these examples are truly a comparable "accountability" issue...... For the earlier post by "Illini", you have 'underestimated' the cost of travel, and therefore your bottom line is incorrect....... The cost of traveling (gas, insurance, wear and tear, etc.) is around 37.5 cents/mile (according to the American Automobile Association and the Internal Revenue Service). The 'average' official actually will clear about $5.61/hour, and it still does NOT take into account any lost wages from their full-time job which could be in the hundreds of $$$$$$$$$$$$............ The bottom line is this: be appreciative that we have coaches and officials who are willing to give up a large portion of their life, and the lives of their families, to pursue a vocation in a GAME that they so greatly love............. There will always be missed calls, missed shots, badly designed plays and poor coaching strategies....... Learn to live with it --- it's an imperfect game!

Actually jimbo44, you are 'partially' correct. In high school the offensive and defensive player must not only be in the 'free blocking' zone at the snap, they must also be ON the line of scrimmage at the snap. Most blitzing LB's are not on the line of scrimmage at the snap, and are therefore given protection, by rule, against the 'cut block' or the illegal block below the waist (or even a clipping foul). Defensively, if you are within 1 yard of the imaginary plane of the line of scrimmage, you are considered to be 'on the line'. Furthermore, once the ball leaves the free blocking zone, the free blocking zone dissolves... Because of this exact definition, any player in the offensive backfield (including slots and wings) at the snap must always block in front and above the waist. The situation that I see that is missed the most is the 'defensive' player that takes out the blocking fullback by attacking him below the waist........ this is an illegal block by the 'defense'. Just trying to clarify the rule concerning the free blocking zone.....

Are you sure you weren't watching an SEC game?

Riverdale's Michael Burt --- only because Insell and his boys' hate him so much!

You have got to be kidding.......... Here's the real scoop -- 'because he wants to..'