bigred11

i went to mba, and i despise the fact that money talks there. i can tell you for a fact if the two players who quit weren't from influencial families, jerry meyer would still be there. he is a good coach. all of my friends that played under him have the utmost respect for him. i have never heard one of my friends who played under him and Bowers say that he was mean or abusive. the only thing they talked about was how he worked ron slay with a eye that was swollen shut and bleeding. he will win at any cost and expects that from his players. i honestly hope that he comes back to MBA, on the other side, and mops the floor with Pettus and Jaques, unless he goes to Ryan.

exactly brandon. high schools are no tmeant to raise you kids. by the time that they get to the high school rank there is little that a teacher can do to change the way that a kid acts. i think that parents blame schools for kids actions because they don't want to face the fact that it is their fault in not raising the kid well. i am not blaming parents for everything bad that happens, but it is the parents duty to teach their children to be upstanding citizens and parents should lead by example. we've all seen movies like dead poet's society in which a teacher changes his/her pupils outlook on life, and those teachers do exist at public AND private schools and they should be honored no matter where they are because they truly have a gift. i can guarentee that there are public school students that are better students and citizens than some private kids. as with anything there are always exceptions to this statement.

who are some local players entering into the nfl draft this year? hunter hillenmeyer- MBA/ vandy santonio beard- pearl-cohn/ bama

you got it defend. if i had a kid with a lot of talent, but no heart or work ethic and a good player with heart. there wouldnt even be a question, because enthusiasm for a game is contagous to the rest of the team.

if zones are opened, athletes with D-1 aspirations will flock to the schools with the coaches with the best connections to D-1 schools. so schools like brentwood will see an onslaught of students who care more about playing at the next level than, competing in the classroom. it is sad to say that students will more often than not choose their schools by athletics than academics. schools that are now athletic powerhouses would become juggernauts. and a whole new argument about those juggernauts recruiting would arise. and as pioneer said transportation will be a huge factor. low income families will be forced to send their kids to certain schools. richer families will be able to send their kids to schools with better academics or athletics. if the state has to make a funding decision, ie who gets more money for books/computers, between a school with a majority of low income students and a school with mostly rich, more athletic kids, who do you think will get the money? open zones would, in my opinion, cause the poor schools to get poorer and smaller and rich schools to get richer and bigger.

well put vg and rob. private schools do not have as large a base as people think. take MBA for example. although we boast a student body made up of students from 50+ schools, the bulk of MBA students come from very few schools, ensworth, oak hill, and overbrook. my class from oak hill ('95) sent 21 to MBA in 7th grade and we were met by 15-20 ensworth grads and another 10 in 9th grade, and i graduated with 106. do privates have a larger pool to draw students from? yes. do private schools take advantage of that? no. i can't personally speak for robjim and CPA, but i know that MBA does not have athletic ability as a requirement for incoming students. and i dont think that any private school does. anyone has been around a group of athletes as they progress from 6th grade up through high school, knows that athletes do not get their talent when they are in 7th grade. it usually comes around freshman year. so saying that a private school that accepts most of its students in 7th grade, or earlier in lipscomb or bga's case, has a wider talent pool is absurd. there is no real talent pool at that age. sure, there are standouts, but in my experience, the best athletes is 6th grade were not the best in 9th grade, because everybody else had physically matured to the same level.

MBA and ryan has been a rivalry for decades. and now BA and MBA is drawing a huge crowd anytime they meet.

r. a. dickey, MBA, was drafted by the tigers also but is now in the rangers' AAA team. he got called up for a few games last season.

STANTROTT, once again, what is your first hand knowledge of both MBA and Andover?

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stan, do you know where the senate majority leader attended high school? one guess... it was a school in the south and you have avoided my question. what is your first hand knowledge of both MBA and Andover? [Edited by bigred11 on 2-20-03 9:07P] [Edited by bigred11 on 2-20-03 9:09P]

don't you realize that if there is a complete split between public and private the arguments that we see today will only be intensified 10 fold. if there is a complete split, as I understand you want no public v. private events, there will never be a chance to resolve anything. take for example maryville and brentwood high, they are 2 good public school football programs; nad now MBA and BA two good private programs. each of the four programs has a legitimate righ tto think that they are the best team in the state. if there is a complete split, we could never see if maryville can beat MBA, etc. there will always be small privates that whine about not being able to be compettitive. there will always be a public school that loses to a private, but uses the excuse "if we could recruit like them, we would win." and to remedy that problem, people will always want a split. if there is a split, MBA and BA will dominate D-II. if coaches want to have the best team in the state, they must play the best teams. whether or not people like it, they will have to play the MBAs, BAs, and maryvilles. we have become too accustomed to people not getting what they want and then causing an uproar because of that. it seems that schools and coaches are holding back. i know that every player that steps onto the field on friday night underneath the lights wants nothing more than to show that they are a part of the best team in the state. coaches have become too afraid of losing. they want the 14-0. coaches need to realize that one loss or two losses doesn't mean that you're season is over. look at MBA, at one point they were regarded as one of the worst teams in TN, but they rallied to win the Clinic Bowl. when a team is down, maybe after a loss, a good coach can use that emotion to rally his team, beacuse, let's be honest, winning is much more fun than losing. sorry about the tangent, basically the split argument is moot.

csense, i once saw steve spurrier speak at MBA. one comment that he made has stuck with me for years. he said "if winning doesn't matter, then why do we keep score?" i don't think that anyone on this post has said that since public schools are more dangerous, private schools should never compete against them. as a private school supprter, i think that there never should have been a split. it has caused an uproar and done more harm than good.

dingo has not mislead me. i will put my alma mater up against any school you have and debate until my last breath seeps from my body. i have so much pride in MBA and its traditions that you probably could not begin to comprehend. MBA is just as good a school as Andover. i honestly don't think that you have as much information about MBA as you say you do. by the numbers alone MBA is just as good as Andover, even though Andover is over two times the size of MBA's upper school. MBA has gained its prominence without being a boarding school that can attract students from all around the country and world. gaining national recognition with a student body that is comprised of men from one city is quite remarkable. i am just being curious, but what is your first hand knowledge of both MBA and Andover?

maybe it is harder to get into the program at nebraska, but will keller have the same amount of impact that phillip has had at west point? or have the same amount of national recognition?