bigred11

i went to mba, and i despise the fact that money talks there. i can tell you for a fact if the two players who quit weren't from influencial families, jerry meyer would still be there. he is a good coach. all of my friends that played under him have the utmost respect for him. i have never heard one of my friends who played under him and Bowers say that he was mean or abusive. the only thing they talked about was how he worked ron slay with a eye that was swollen shut and bleeding. he will win at any cost and expects that from his players. i honestly hope that he comes back to MBA, on the other side, and mops the floor with Pettus and Jaques, unless he goes to Ryan.

exactly brandon. high schools are no tmeant to raise you kids. by the time that they get to the high school rank there is little that a teacher can do to change the way that a kid acts. i think that parents blame schools for kids actions because they don't want to face the fact that it is their fault in not raising the kid well. i am not blaming parents for everything bad that happens, but it is the parents duty to teach their children to be upstanding citizens and parents should lead by example. we've all seen movies like dead poet's society in which a teacher changes his/her pupils outlook on life, and those teachers do exist at public AND private schools and they should be honored no matter where they are because they truly have a gift. i can guarentee that there are public school students that are better students and citizens than some private kids. as with anything there are always exceptions to this statement.

who are some local players entering into the nfl draft this year? hunter hillenmeyer- MBA/ vandy santonio beard- pearl-cohn/ bama

you got it defend. if i had a kid with a lot of talent, but no heart or work ethic and a good player with heart. there wouldnt even be a question, because enthusiasm for a game is contagous to the rest of the team.

if zones are opened, athletes with D-1 aspirations will flock to the schools with the coaches with the best connections to D-1 schools. so schools like brentwood will see an onslaught of students who care more about playing at the next level than, competing in the classroom. it is sad to say that students will more often than not choose their schools by athletics than academics. schools that are now athletic powerhouses would become juggernauts. and a whole new argument about those juggernauts recruiting would arise. and as pioneer said transportation will be a huge factor. low income families will be forced to send their kids to certain schools. richer families will be able to send their kids to schools with better academics or athletics. if the state has to make a funding decision, ie who gets more money for books/computers, between a school with a majority of low income students and a school with mostly rich, more athletic kids, who do you think will get the money? open zones would, in my opinion, cause the poor schools to get poorer and smaller and rich schools to get richer and bigger.

well put vg and rob. private schools do not have as large a base as people think. take MBA for example. although we boast a student body made up of students from 50+ schools, the bulk of MBA students come from very few schools, ensworth, oak hill, and overbrook. my class from oak hill ('95) sent 21 to MBA in 7th grade and we were met by 15-20 ensworth grads and another 10 in 9th grade, and i graduated with 106. do privates have a larger pool to draw students from? yes. do private schools take advantage of that? no. i can't personally speak for robjim and CPA, but i know that MBA does not have athletic ability as a requirement for incoming students. and i dont think that any private school does. anyone has been around a group of athletes as they progress from 6th grade up through high school, knows that athletes do not get their talent when they are in 7th grade. it usually comes around freshman year. so saying that a private school that accepts most of its students in 7th grade, or earlier in lipscomb or bga's case, has a wider talent pool is absurd. there is no real talent pool at that age. sure, there are standouts, but in my experience, the best athletes is 6th grade were not the best in 9th grade, because everybody else had physically matured to the same level.

MBA and ryan has been a rivalry for decades. and now BA and MBA is drawing a huge crowd anytime they meet.

r. a. dickey, MBA, was drafted by the tigers also but is now in the rangers' AAA team. he got called up for a few games last season.

STANTROTT, once again, what is your first hand knowledge of both MBA and Andover?

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stan, do you know where the senate majority leader attended high school? one guess... it was a school in the south and you have avoided my question. what is your first hand knowledge of both MBA and Andover? [Edited by bigred11 on 2-20-03 9:07P] [Edited by bigred11 on 2-20-03 9:09P]

don't you realize that if there is a complete split between public and private the arguments that we see today will only be intensified 10 fold. if there is a complete split, as I understand you want no public v. private events, there will never be a chance to resolve anything. take for example maryville and brentwood high, they are 2 good public school football programs; nad now MBA and BA two good private programs. each of the four programs has a legitimate righ tto think that they are the best team in the state. if there is a complete split, we could never see if maryville can beat MBA, etc. there will always be small privates that whine about not being able to be compettitive. there will always be a public school that loses to a private, but uses the excuse "if we could recruit like them, we would win." and to remedy that problem, people will always want a split. if there is a split, MBA and BA will dominate D-II. if coaches want to have the best team in the state, they must play the best teams. whether or not people like it, they will have to play the MBAs, BAs, and maryvilles. we have become too accustomed to people not getting what they want and then causing an uproar because of that. it seems that schools and coaches are holding back. i know that every player that steps onto the field on friday night underneath the lights wants nothing more than to show that they are a part of the best team in the state. coaches have become too afraid of losing. they want the 14-0. coaches need to realize that one loss or two losses doesn't mean that you're season is over. look at MBA, at one point they were regarded as one of the worst teams in TN, but they rallied to win the Clinic Bowl. when a team is down, maybe after a loss, a good coach can use that emotion to rally his team, beacuse, let's be honest, winning is much more fun than losing. sorry about the tangent, basically the split argument is moot.

csense, i once saw steve spurrier speak at MBA. one comment that he made has stuck with me for years. he said "if winning doesn't matter, then why do we keep score?" i don't think that anyone on this post has said that since public schools are more dangerous, private schools should never compete against them. as a private school supprter, i think that there never should have been a split. it has caused an uproar and done more harm than good.

dingo has not mislead me. i will put my alma mater up against any school you have and debate until my last breath seeps from my body. i have so much pride in MBA and its traditions that you probably could not begin to comprehend. MBA is just as good a school as Andover. i honestly don't think that you have as much information about MBA as you say you do. by the numbers alone MBA is just as good as Andover, even though Andover is over two times the size of MBA's upper school. MBA has gained its prominence without being a boarding school that can attract students from all around the country and world. gaining national recognition with a student body that is comprised of men from one city is quite remarkable. i am just being curious, but what is your first hand knowledge of both MBA and Andover?

maybe it is harder to get into the program at nebraska, but will keller have the same amount of impact that phillip has had at west point? or have the same amount of national recognition?

dingo, well put. i am sorry that i omitted Harvard from the list, and added a few colleges that previous students have gone to. excuse me rollredroll, a friend of mine attends the naval prep school, which is the precursor to the naval academy. i apologize for any confusion. also, i completely forgot to point out that Andover is a boarding school. thank you for expounding on my previous quotes. i have found your thoughts to be very interesting. [Edited by bigred11 on 2-13-03 12:26P] [Edited by bigred11 on 2-13-03 12:27P]

bearlock, phillip had a prep record of 149-1. he won a national championship and got 2nd in another. i think that he deserves to be in the top 5. simpson, keller, ward, nelson, mctorry.

I'll help out dingo: Total students: 660 Junior School: approximately 185 students in grades 7-8 High School: approximately 475 student sin grades 9-12 57 local schools represented Minority Students: 7% (remember, MBA only has 475 high school pupils as opposed to Andover's 1079) 64 full-time and 15 part-time faculty, 57 men and 22 women 70% of teaching faculty have graduate degrees including 13 doctorates Average teaching experience: 18 years Average number of years at MBA: 11 years Student-teacher ratio: 8 : 1 Average class size: 13 The class of 2002 matriculated to 54 colleges and universities in 28 states, plus DC and Scotland. others included: Princeton, Penn., Navy, MIT, Duke, UNC, Army, Vandy, Yale, Dartmouth, Columbia and Cornell. From 102 men, 44 (43%) were national merit scholars. The class of 2002 middle 50% SAT scores were 650 verbal and 650 math. Since 1998, 585 MBA students have taken 1231 AP exams, and 88% have scored a 3 or higher. 5 Athletic Fields, 10 Tennis Courts, 2 Gymnasiums, Weight Room, Wrestling Room, 8-lane Track In 2001-2002, the MBA Debate Team claimed a Freshman National Championship and a top-twenty national ranking in Varsity Policy Debate. Four MBA students represented Tennessee at the National Speech and Debate Tournament in Charlotte, North Carolina MBA students study at Eton and Winchester Colleges in England, Michaelhouse and Kearnsey Schools in South Africa, and Southport School in Australia. Teachers also spend time teaching at these institutions during the summer term. Students also participate with study programs in France, England, Ireland, Poland, Switzerland, Argentina, Chile. In the past MBA has participated in exghanges with schools in Germany and Spain. And of course the Gentleman of MBA continually aid the community through service projects. I'm glad that you wished me luck to find a school in Tennessee that has the kind of numbers that Andover has. It was hard. [Edited by bigred11 on 2-12-03 5:45P]

andy russ was a punter at MBA in the early 90's and went to Miss. St., where he holds the record for highest average in a season (46.5 yds). In the '97 Hula Bowl, he set three kicking records; av. punt (52.0 yds.), most field goals (4), and most points (14). john markham was a great kicker while at MBA and vandy, but had a bad tryout with the giants. i think that in raw athleticism, there is no comparing to ingle martin or ricky bowers at MBA. both men lettered in several sports, some of which they only competed at state tournaments or a couple of games. [Edited by bigred11 on 2-12-03 5:00P] [Edited by bigred11 on 2-12-03 5:00P]

redtwin, as you probably know, i agree with you. yes, historically private schools are safer, but i was simply saying that the chance for it to happen at a private school is the same as public. muff

i think that this thread was started to state that private schools are safer than public schools. a point that i completely disagree with. private schools are just as dangerous as publics, but it seems that incidents like the one at hillsboro are all to often associated with urban public schools. it could have just as easily happened at a game between mba and ba. sadly, there is no way, short of making high school athletic events like a prison visitation, to ensure that a gun can't be brought into a gym or stadium.

i went to MBA because it is the best school in the city. i will send my kids to MBA or Harpeth Hall, because they are the best schools in the city. drugs and alcohol are everywhere; saying that you dont want your kids to go to a school because of drugs or alcohol is a cop out. it its the parents responsibility to teach their kids to make good decisions, but also to make their own decisions. my parents let me have my freedom as long as they thought that i could handle it and understood the consequences of my actions. my parents gave me an opportunity to have the best education possible, and i cant thank them enough. i may fall into a stereotype of being a rich, snobby momma's boy. i honestly dont care. if that makes me a hypocrite , so be it. [Edited by bigred11 on 2-10-03 3:17P]

i am not a huge jordan fan, but he is the most prominent basketball player in recent history. he is not the best of all time, but definitely top 5. only because there is no way to tell the best player ever, unless the go 1 on 1. he has had one of the most illustrious careers ever and the game is much better off because of him. there will not be another player like him for a while. swamp is right. being on the bulls during their reignmade helped him become what he is today, but he would have done it on his own; it just would have taken more time.

i don't think that everyone understands exactly how dominant DLS is. the last time they lost was 1991. they have completely destroyed their opponents for over 10 years. the most they have been scored on is 32 and DLS put up 71 in that game. they beat st. louis (hi) by 10. their stats are absolutely amazing. the closest tn team was Shelbyville Bedford County Training (78-0-4) in the 40's, but that is just undefeated. DLS is at 138 wins in a row. they have nearly doubled the old national record (73). thinking that any team from tn could stay with them in ludicrous. check out their stats for yourself esp. "the streak" http://www.delasallesports.com/Teams-Archi...l/football.html [Edited by bigred11 on 2-10-03 3:46P]

what would you say if an athlete left school A and went to school B, where he already had a number of friends, and cited his friends going to school B as an influence on his choice? i know of a couple of cases that this has happened and the athletes were standouts in their respective sports. is this a violation? i know that these rules are mostly applied to coaches, teachers, and school officials, but the rulebook also says representative of the school. aren't students representatives of the school? during my high school days, we were always told "you are not only representing yourself and your family, but also this school." if a school sees a student as a representative, wouldn't TSSAA also see him as one?