JustDoIT

It is not just soccer but all select / AAU / club sports are impacted. It does keep some coaches from making their sport a 365 day a year sport and keeping kids from playing 2 sports and that does happen. However it in general is a bad proposal! This has been discussed on the girls basketball board a great deal, the basic logic still follows so you might want to look at the thread. Its probably back about 3 months so you may have to go to the 2nd page to find it.

Geez, Scrimmages don't count because they are nothing more than practice games. In every sport they have preseason games and scrimmages and they don't count because they are part of getting ready for the real season. Teams are not complete officials many times are not used and etc. Why is it even a question as to why they don't count. But just for the record if someone has a scrimmage after August 21st and its not an official and regulation game then it still does not count.

Yap Yap Yap!, Name me 10 players that have or will sign with college programs? Okay now name just 2 of the players that did not play AAU? Can't do it because all of the top players also play AAU, this is where they play against the majority of the best talent. Its also generally where your able to practice against like skilled players in practice which also makes you better! Most of the top HS coaches typically like their players to play AAU, and may even be involved with a program ( from a distance of course, like Shelbyville)!

Thats true but at this point it is not against the rules. Some of their other actions might need to be examined to see where they fall as regards the rules but to use the organization as a recruiting tool assuming no rules are broken is fine. You folks in McMinn county seem to have a little bit of a dispute going on as regards your high schools. Join the crowd. A new AAU team could be started by those looking out for McMinn HS and they could they stop whinning. Central (aka McMinn Fire) could moe closely follow the TSSAA / AAU rules as regards age and coaches helping with the AAU team.

Thanks for the additional insight into your counties problem, however I could careless about who goes to which school in your county. You made my point however and that is because your coach is violating rules (read them and you will see) with the AAU program it seems to be causing conflict within the county and players that you are talking about. I do know that your AAU team has disregarded rules and when others follow the rules and compete against you that will always cause hard feelings. Hope whatever is going on their between your schools calms down, following the rules would be a good start and if you are then who cares what the AAA coach thinks.

Sorry not a HS coach who has broken rules, not even a HS coach. Sorry my daughter plays and starts on an excellent AAU team that has not broken any rules. However do know of some local HS coaches that are coaching AAU teams that are made up of their own HS players and incoming 8th graders. Both are not following the rules and if the 50% rule is past they won't let that stop them either. But you know it is a rule and they have to lie to bypass it and they have to get the kids to lie also, somehow that just does not seem to be the message to send kids. By the way if your HS coach tells you that your daughter will do something within reason that you don't like I bet you will allow it to happen or your daughter won't be playing, and don't kid yourself he will tell you how it is. You just seem to have a large issue with the TSSAA but they do provide some infrastructure that must be in place or HS sports would be totally out of control. And no I don't agree with all but I don't just break rules or disregard them it they don't suit me.

Okay where do we stop anyone can dislike any rule, and almost all rules involving eligibility involve telling us what we can and can't do. Should we all get lawyers and take them to court. Sometimes rules do serve a purpose, sometimes they do create problems for the majority but almost always a minority is bettered because of the rule. In this case there ARE coaches that require their players to play for who and where they want them to even in the Off-season. There are coaches who are coaching players right now in AAU who also will coach them in school ball. This is illegal but some don't care, and if this rule is implemented there will be those that violate it to. But maybe it will stop a few more coaches from forcing the issue.

You state that the TSSAA is too involved! This rule like others is only as good as those who follow its intentions. Your HS coaching staff is not suppose to coach those AAU players that they would also coach in school the next year. Is your assistant violating this rule and if so why should any other rule, that will not be followed matter? I believe you may understand what I'm asking! This is probably an example of where coaches and schools may be to involved with what their school team members are doing in the off season, so maybe if the rules in place were followed and not violated maybe other rules would not have to be added to keep some programs under control. I guess you would have to look at your situation and ask are we following the rules NOW?

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AAU teams should be carefull about the Pigeon Forge Tourneys as they had a great deal of organization problems this past weekend. All games at all gyms ran about 1 hour or father behind. Players were playing out of age groups all over the place with no worry about getting caught. Officiating was awful. Not just merely bad as is typical but awful. We saw one game with a team loose a large lead because they had at least 3 players foul out maybe more before the end of 3rd quarter. To be honest the team that lost all the players had the game taken from them (when we came in they had a big lead)the players that fouled out were all larger players and it seemed like they played with all 1s and 2s until they were down to 4 players and which point the blue team stopped the game. It then got ugly but not physical with the refs, the coach, and apparently some woman involved with the tourney I'm guessing. Latter at another gym a coach who had not had any trouble with the officials was given a double T, and asked to leave the gym he did not and his team forfeited a game that was tied at 53 with 2 minutes left. Funny the tourney director jumped on the officials for enforcing the rules that states you have to exit the gym if you recieve 2 Ts. The director yelled that they would never officiate again because of this. The officials did not start the game back as the coach stayed. 2 different gyms with one director yelling at a coach to exit the gym because of bad officiating, and at the other the director yelling at the refs because they were following the rules. It unfortunate this had been a well run tourney in the past! Maybe if people don't flock to it because of its location they will get the organization back together and get better officials and gym managers instead of money collectors.

Okay, we were doing good with this post which was to just get substate results and not commentary. Lets just get the results so the thread does not get away from giving us results. Obviously everyone has an opinion for example; Showtime7 its difficult for me to see you as someone who should be commenting on coaching conduct, where you not removed from your on the bench position (by the Flight management) last year due to your conduct during and after games? Don't answer like I said just an example of where all this could go. If you need to start another thread.

Anyone with results from any substate regarding the # 1 and 2 teams please supply it here. Note the Substate and the age group and Div 1 or 2. This will help everyone know what is going on statewide!

An observation, there are fewer teams each year involved in the substates over the past 3 years. There are also I believe fewer registered teams playing AAU even at the youngest ages. I believe that if you continue to see local teams develop talent at the youngest ages, and then in many cases have it recruited by the powerhouse and sponsored teams eventually this cycle will eliminate many from AAU. I believe that the people who are looking at traveling teams to develop talent for their local schools will start focusing on grade teams made up of mostly one or two area schools, this is already happening with MAYB and some other new groups. This different focus will reduce the amount of AAU teams that the powerhouse teams will be able to see in tournments, and will reduce their ability to scout and recruit from other teams. Keep in mind you already have teams like the Nike teams which are only playing Nike events and just a few others. This again is reducing the player pool in general. All of these different forces are changing AAU and I don't believe we know where its going yet. I believe that Div 2 provides an AAU atmosphere and allows teams that have a goal other than the Nationals a chance to play other similar quality teams without the recruited powerhouse teams being a factor, in general I think it may help balance some of the negative issues that are tearing at AAU.

I believe that the Fire did play AAU before and may even have been in some substates but I think you had a player or 2 that were older than the age group they played in. If thats not correct please correct me!

just_do_it, Sure you want to stick with that name? The one and only JustDoIt since 2004!

TNwareagle, I don't recall being wrong a first time (HaHa). It is good to hear that you will also support one of your local teams. And I will admit I Must be wrong when Fish5 fom WI says he is a Ville fan I would say he does not fit the Homer profile. But Fish you have to know that before shelbyville even was known for Bball, Bradley High School (TN) and Coach Jim Smiddy had already brought TN to the National stage for girls ball. I don't think even Ville fans would argue that!

You might as well be from Shelbyville as much time as you spent there! I don't think anyone who spent as much time playing for the SSS/Flight and who has signed with MTSU could help but be biased for Shelbyville. Further connections with Harlow and Burkey make you a complete homer. Thats okay you like who you like however you don't run into many people outside of Bedford county and the SSS / Flight group who pull the Ville. If you don't mind I think I wil pull for Cleveland I know you wont though. Good Luck to all!

What are you looking for we have some girls in the SE TN area that are looking for a team closer than the team that they have been playing on. We have seen the Hoopstars play in the past and you seem to have a very good team. You generally seem to only carry around 10 and seem to play them all is that still your approach? Thanks

Do you 2 know each other? Is school in or out? Are we talking about basketball or something else, your posts have left me baffled (Def: Confused ). When are you holding class again?

We can, it is good to see the hard work that it required for this type of recognition get the attention. Congratulations to the OR ladies for the ranking, and good luck the rest of the way.

Wow, Glad to see you back Lowtime 7, have missed you calling kids names, and or degrade kids since your kin left the high school scene. Knew that you would have to get involved sooner or latter when a SSS / Flight player was involved. Guess as we get closer to AAU season we can look forward to more of your valuable wisdom (lack) and knowledge (lack) unfortuanately. Do you really know that the player is not good enough to make the OR team, or that the person posting really has a daughter that plays Bball? Probably not but it makes you feel important I guess.

Wow Showtime, take advantage of several years of free advertising for the SSS and for Shelbyville Team Camps, and the coin that these events turn, and you know that the SSS does profit in oneway or another. If it did not you would not want to host the substate every year or look to host super regionals. I don't think anyone questions the effort and time that is put into running this website and its overall great performance. The information supplied herein and the ability to post anyones opinion (even yours) is great. If because you went outside the bounds of the normal free advertising provided by CoachT and they asked you for a small amount of money for the advertising and you felt this unfair then advertise on the SSS or Shelbyville site. Oh yeah the SSS is never complete and can't even post results for it own tournaments or substate. I guess the SSS should charge a fee so that it can have a complete website oh yea you do charge fees and have sponsors but don't have even a semi informative site. Its difficult for me to imagine how you can complain about a service you have taken such advantage of over the years. I think you should just quit using CoachT (PLEASE).

Can Showtime7 or you guarantee that their will be 50-100 College coaches at the event, or even 15, how many will be there? Further Showtime has not yet answered to who / or what school / or what program this seemingly lucrative camp will profit. Again if its for the kids reduce the cost or make it a PR project for the SSS / Nike companies and let them sponsor it. Further the majority of kids going to this are already known, and play AAU and HS ball and should have a good idea of where they stack up against others!

Well then tell us to whom, what organization, or school the money goes to. I'm assuming that MTSU does not need to let its new coach make money in this way as it should be able to pay him more than his old HS job including the SSS perks. Further I believe there are some recruiting rules that the NCAA would look at if MTSU were using this as a recruiting tool at this time for high schoolers. So again who or what school is the money going to. Seems like CoachT has certainly let you advertise alot of AAU tournaments and High School Camps without probelm as it was obvious to whom the money is going to, it is less obvious as to where this money is going to, and as already pointed out it would seem to be very lucrative to someone. However if its a service to the girls for their advancement maybe you could do it for much less or as PR for the SSS / NIKE at no charge. Otherwise it would seem prudent to pay for the amount of focused advertising your getting on CoachT for this noble / worthy and lucrative cause. If not, don't advertise until all of your school and SSS activities begin and advertising is free.