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Ya'll.... Can we just wait a couple weeks til after the state tournament so we can have this conversation on how this will never happen?

We dont need a "turnaround". The state as a whole has been getting better. The ones who are serious about the sport will want to come out for the travel teams but we need to be better at providing resources for them. But it isnt about going in an opposite direction. We're headed in the right one now.

0 The answer is zero.

Georgia has had a lot more success than TN. Especially recently. I honestly do not know the last time this state produced an D1 AA. Georgia has one every year or so. Ryan Millhof, Chip Ness, Sean Russell, Taylor Lujan, the Bullard brothers, etc. A lot, if not most all, of their recent success has to go to Cliff Fretwell and Compound Wrestling. Since established they've really gone from just another southern state with no wrestling to a national powerhouse. Every year they get multiple fargo AA's, Super 32 AA's and champs, and their dual teams are always in the mix. Heck, even Alabama has had more AA's in the last decade than us. Sam Latona last year, and Brandon Womack a few years before that. Tennessee, as a state, on the college scene, is behind. Maybe some of the kids now from here, Chittum, Hilton, Mason, etc can change that. But our history? Not great.

Now do that for the states that have one division. California, New Jersey, etc.

Ill bet that within the next 7 years they add another division. It'll be a small school division 2. They had a dual champion this year. They'll have their own individual tournament soon too.

But one more so than the other two right…. then that’s the one who should’ve gotten it. It’s almost as if it was a “sorry you didn’t medal in state here’s an award to make you fell better” situation.

Who did the "best job" can really only mean one thing in athletics. At this point if you pass it out to everybody its just a participation trophy.

Its possible to want both. Those two aren't mutually exclusive. You can have pride in a state championship in TN and still want to win in North Carolina in October.

Once the season is over nobody wants to cut anymore. Every year we have this talk. Given, its usually the day after states but it never happens. It's even been proposed to do a +5 scratch weight. Nobody wants to do it.

She said it right here. By her logic nobody from cleveland should ever lose, becasue nobody wrestles a schedule like cleveland.

There's two different conversations going on here. 1. They're saying that Hicks doesn't have a chance because Walker wrestled a tougher schedule. Which is wrong. 2. They're saying that Cleveland wins titles solely because, again, they wrestle a tougher schedule. Which is also wrong.

At this point we're talking about Cleveland as a whole. Their schedule isn't what makes them the best team in the state. Again, its their youth and middle school programs. I agree Wilson Central wrestles a lighter schedule than Cleveland. However, Jill's comment was Hicks is not able to ever get better or beat Walker because Cleveland's schedule is tougher. Then went on to say that its because of their schedule they win titles. Which is absolutely asinine.

I dont think they were making excuses. They were just saying those examples are bad.

Cleveland is better every year than the rest of the state because they have the best youth program in the state, every year. They didn't do anything crazy, didnt go to Beast of the East, Poweraide, nothing outside the norm except a dual tourney in NC where in the finals they beat...wait for it...Baylor, a TN school. They wrestled the same schedule, for the most part, that the rest of the top in the state did. Everybody knows that successful high school programs start with successful youth programs. Come on now.

I'm not sure you could possibly saying anything dumber. Take a bow. Because someone doesn't have cleveland's strength of schedule its impossible for them to improve. Got it.

That's a weak argument. It just simply does work that way. What you're saying is its absolutely impossible for him to have gone and trained in the off season and gotten better because he doesn't have Cleveland's strength of schedule.

Wait, so because you think he "hasn't wrestled anyone" that somehow disqualifies him? It baffles me that so many times people are quick to say, well A is better than B because B hasn't wrestled anybody. So? Hicks has one loss this year. That was to Mater Dei in the GP West finals. I'm not saying that he's better than Walker. I'm saying its absolutely absurd to write him off bc "he really hasn't wrestled anyone".

I think that kinda takes away from the finals matches. Those should be the only matches going on. They earned the right to have all eyes on them at that time. Maybe wrestle all the other rounds immediately before then a quick change of the mats and go straight into finals.

I respectfully disagree. We'll see in a few weeks.

106- Walker has a good shot. There are a couple other freshman 106s with a good shot too. 126- He may finish on the podium, but the top 3 here are two steps above the rest of the field. Its a shame one of them wont even qualify for the tournament. 132- Sturgill has a shot. But Desselle has proven himself to be the clear number 1. He'll have his hands full. 145- Its a two horse race here. 152- Fowler took a few losses at the beginning of the season that he's come back to close the gap on now. Fisak is still going to be a tall task though. 160- I'm gonna take heat for this one. Lucas hasn't wrestled any of the kids ranked above him. I feel like he has a legitimate shot at a title.

So wait, the kids who make the finals will wrestle two matches Thursday, one match Friday, then one match Saturday? How does that make any sense at all

That’s how they beat WC. Not giving up bonus points when WC expected them.

I gave Summit a pin at 182, a dec at 106 and dec at Hwt. I think Summit's best kids at 20, 26 and 32 all get beat. James over Little by Maj Crisp over Leach or Masters by dec (honestly have no idea whats going on there) Lipsey will bump to 32 and beat Desselle by 3

48-12 Bradley. Summit cant beat any Chattanooga school. Have they ever?