Proof that we need to implement the Limbaugh Plan?

[davidlimbaugh]

QUOTE(JPeterman @ May 24 2007 - 01:21 PM) 826466074[/snapback]As an added comment: Why should it be possible to lose a game and still win the Championship over a team with no losses? The tournament should be a true double elimination tournament using the softball brackets. You would get a true Champion that way. Now whoever wins and the runner up can both have one loss( that is stupid to the 12th power).

 

 

Disagree with you here...

 

Softball and baseball are two totally different sports. A softball pitcher can go every day. A softball bracket and a baseball bracket are different for a reason. That 1 or 0 loss was in POOL play in baseball. Once you get out of the pool it is one game for all the marbles, regardless of record. The 1 loss team has already been penalized enough by having to play (pitch) in more games...

[JPeterman]

QUOTE(davidlimbaugh @ May 24 2007 - 01:48 PM) 826466094[/snapback]Disagree with you here...

 

Softball and baseball are two totally different sports. A softball pitcher can go every day. A softball bracket and a baseball bracket are different for a reason. That 1 or 0 loss was in POOL play in baseball. Once you get out of the pool it is one game for all the marbles, regardless of record. The 1 loss team has already been penalized enough by having to play (pitch) in more games...

 

Agree to disagree then. Should add a day then, start on Monday. I realize softball pitchers can go every day, I wasn't comparing that aspect of the brackets, however if you compare the two, from the sectional to win it all from the winner's bracket is 5 games, same as baseball. To win it from the loser's bracket, it takes 6 games maybe 7, so at the most that is one more game than baseball if you come out of the loser's bracket from the outset. But they get what I consider a true champion.

[bleednpurple&gold]

QUOTE(davidlimbaugh @ May 24 2007 - 12:56 PM) 826466061[/snapback]I am familiar with AAA. Take Clarksville this year for example. They play a great 9 inning game

with Smyrna on a Monday night - 0-0 thru 8 - and lose 1-0 in 9 innings. And BANG! their season is over.

What is to say that Clarksville's #2 and #3 and even #4 may be better than the other 3 teams in that

region and they may have been able to battle back from the loser's bracket and win their way to Spring Fling?

and be more representative with a deeper pitching staff than Smyrna? We will never know.

 

How many teams don't make it to Spring Fling every year that could if the post-season was more conducive to getting the best 'team' their instead of the team with the best #1's ??? See what I mean?

 

What makes you think Clarksville could have beaten Smyrna in a best of 3 series. Smyrna's # 2 had a better record than their #1 this season. He was undefeated......

[davidlimbaugh]

QUOTE(bleednpurple&gold @ May 24 2007 - 07:14 PM) 826466293[/snapback]What makes you think Clarksville could have beaten Smyrna in a best of 3 series. Smyrna's # 2 had a better record than their #1 this season. He was undefeated......

 

 

This is a hypothethical example only - not a prediction or a wager

[davidlimbaugh]

More proof today:

 

26-0

 

19-6

 

13-2

 

14-0

 

10-6

 

10-0

 

14-6

[BARTLETTHSGRAD04]

david whats ure email i got a question to ask ya.

[davidlimbaugh]

QUOTE(BARTLETTHSGRAD04 @ May 24 2007 - 10:13 PM) 826466509[/snapback]david whats ure email i got a question to ask ya.

 

 

david@riverdalewarriors.com

[tigerman]

QUOTE(davidlimbaugh @ May 24 2007 - 10:12 PM) 826466507[/snapback]More proof today:

 

26-0

 

19-6

 

13-2

 

14-0

 

10-6

 

10-0

 

14-6

 

 

Tells me a whole bunch of people who got here don't have a whole lot of

pitching. Plain & simple. But I don't necessarily think there is somebody sitting

at home that would have done a whole lot better.

You can't expect to play baseball with this type of format and expect to

see a whole bunch of pitchers duels. Especially in the public A & AA

tourneys. There just aren't enough numbers at that level.

 

Even tomorrow's championships could get ugly. Even for teams who swept

through their bracket undefeated, the best case scenario is their day one

pitcher back on the mound with two complete days of rest.

 

David, I didn't study the brackets all that close, but did any team make it

to the 'Boro with a suspect record ? Say something like 21-17. That

would be a better indicator to me that they relied on one guy a whole bunch.

 

What bothers me more is the way the tourney is divided into two "pools."

That leaves open the chance for the two best teams to be in the same pool

just by the bad luck of the draw. Plus, since the team I root for was knocked

out on day two, there were four teams we never even saw play a game.

I don't like that.

 

I know you can't compare the two, but softball has a much better tournament

feel & atmosphere to it. Gosh, if I said that ten years ago I would have had

someone wash my mouth out with soap !!!

[davidlimbaugh]

QUOTE(tigerman @ May 24 2007 - 11:56 PM) 826466636[/snapback]David, I didn't study the brackets all that close, but did any team make it

to the 'Boro with a suspect record ? Say something like 21-17. That

would be a better indicator to me that they relied on one guy a whole bunch.

 

 

Hard to say - you really can't go by W-L in high school, especially lower

classifications, because some folks play a lot of tournaments and tougher

out of district folks than others. And some folks live in toughers areas

of ball (this is cyclical) than others....

 

And some folks play in weaker districts so they can throw their 1s and 2s

when they choose while some teams play in tougher districts and may have

the 'David Price' rule and may have to throw more 3s and 4s in weekend

tournaments.

 

I have been advocating the 'Limbaugh Plan' for several years now so a

Clarksville or someone else who lost a heartbreaker on a Monday can

live to play again and even if 6 of the 8 teams that would make it now

make it in the new format, the new format is still a better measure of

how well a team will do once they get here - see what I mean???

 

 

Some teams with double-digit losses.

 

 

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...lassA/State.htm

 

32-10

 

18-12

 

26-12

 

26-10

 

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...assAA/State.htm

 

31-14

 

rest of AA looks pretty strong....

 

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...ssAAA/State.htm

 

25-12

 

31-10

 

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...ionII/State.htm

 

17-20

[catsbackr]

QUOTE(JPeterman @ May 24 2007 - 12:21 PM) 826466074[/snapback]As an added comment: Why should it be possible to lose a game and still win the Championship over a team with no losses? The tournament should be a true double elimination tournament using the softball brackets. You would get a true Champion that way. Now whoever wins and the runner up can both have one loss( that is stupid to the 12th power).

 

I'd try a different comparison, J. Softball, the sport itself in tournament play, does not identify the best team at all. Softball tournaments, all the way through NCAA, identify the team with the best pitcher, period. Find another comparison.

 

My suggestion would be, after the final 8 teams are set, to seed them. The seeding formula wouldn't be perfect, but it would be better than what we have now with the possibility of the 2 best teams facing each other early.

[tigerman]

David, do you really think that many good teams are being left out ?

I'm just asking. You really seem to have done a lot of homework on

this.

Different sports but good teams get left out of state tournaments

(basketball) all the time because of how they pair up in the

sub-state. What's the answer for that ?

I think as long as there is sports, there is always going to be

somebody left out. I know that doesn't seem fair, but I had a

teacher tell me years ago, "life's not fair."

[CUBCADET]

QUOTE(davidlimbaugh @ May 25 2007 - 06:51 AM) 826466705[/snapback]Hard to say - you really can't go by W-L in high school, especially lower

classifications, because some folks play a lot of tournaments and tougher

out of district folks than others. And some folks live in toughers areas

of ball (this is cyclical) than others....

 

And some folks play in weaker districts so they can throw their 1s and 2s

when they choose while some teams play in tougher districts and may have

the 'David Price' rule and may have to throw more 3s and 4s in weekend

tournaments.

 

I have been advocating the 'Limbaugh Plan' for several years now so a

Clarksville or someone else who lost a heartbreaker on a Monday can

live to play again and even if 6 of the 8 teams that would make it now

make it in the new format, the new format is still a better measure of

how well a team will do once they get here - see what I mean???

Some teams with double-digit losses.

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...lassA/State.htm

 

32-10

 

18-12

 

26-12

 

26-10

 

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...assAA/State.htm

 

31-14

 

rest of AA looks pretty strong....

 

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...ssAAA/State.htm

 

25-12

 

31-10

 

http://www.tssaa.org/2006Champions/StateBa...ionII/State.htm

 

17-20

 

David, you are correct, in the fact that most teams do just use their #3 or #4 in the weekend tourneys. I would love to see the spring fling, and I know this is NOT possible, get to the championship game point and then give all the teams 3 days rest. This would give the teams pitching as well as all their other minor injuries the players may have (soreness, sprains, etc.) time to heal a little bit. Then, the teams could walk on the field "for the winner take all" with all their guns fully loaded and it would be a better example of which TEAM is better overall. BUT keep in mind the old saying about..."on a given day,etc.....

Once again, I said I know this is NOT possible at this level. It might make for a more exciting championship game if something like this could be done..It is a shame that the postseason has to be crammed into such a small time frame, and a lot of teams do not have enough pitching to maybe take them all the way. I guess what I am saying is something we all agree on, I think, there is NO one perfect way to do this, dont you agree, David. But I really like your plan...You got my vote.

U DA MAN>>>LIMBAUGH!!!