New Classifications

[therealgame]

My reference was strictly travel expense but you do make a good point about region 7 traveling well. I believe TSSAA took into account the lack of support for schools and their need to cut down on travel cost. To answer your question. The way it was structured allowed schools to move up from the 1 to 2 or 2 to 3 then draw the lines. So 5A couldnt move up to 6A put I guess if a school so decided they could make a proposal to the board. If 40 schools had decided to move up then I am certain the 6 classifications would have been formed regardless, with the intent to put an equal number of teams in each classification. Not exactly rocket science.

 

 

TSSAA never had an equal number of teams in each class as a firm goal. After the split into three near equal classes TSSAA allowed a week for teams to move up in classes (1A 2A 3A). TSSAA then allowed another week for teams to move up within the classes (1A to 2A-3A to 4A-5A to 6A). That being said TSSAA would like the classes to be close in size but their own system makes it unlikely.

[westtnman]

When the original three classes were set by TSSAA according to enrollments both Henry County and Morristown East would have been in 5A. They were "bumped" into 6A when three teams chose to move up in classes. It is listed for everyone to see on the TSSAA website. I dont know what TSSAA will do but it seems fair to me that schools shouldnt be "bumped" into a class that their enrollment didnt originally dictate simply because a handful of schools want to move up. In other words TSSAA should find a way to allow schools to move up if they want without causing other schools to be "forced" up against their will.

 

 

 

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[ftbllfn]

When the original three classes were set by TSSAA according to enrollments both Henry County and Morristown East would have been in 5A. They were "bumped" into 6A when three teams chose to move up in classes. It is listed for everyone to see on the TSSAA website. I dont know what TSSAA will do but it seems fair to me that schools shouldnt be "bumped" into a class that their enrollment didnt originally dictate simply because a handful of schools want to move up. In other words TSSAA should find a way to allow schools to move up if they want without causing other schools to be "forced" up against their will.

 

The classifications have to be determined some way and historically that has been by enrollment and the change came with the opportunity for schools to move up in classification. TSSAA board makes the decisions in regard to classification, it has to be determined somehow.

 

Yeah henry, morristown and brighton got "bumped"/"forced", boards decsion. The cut off could have been 1250 students or 1500 students then someone else would be forced to deal with moving into a higher classification. Like I said in early post not rocket science and I must add not a perfect system either. But that is how it works. As for Henry County and Morristown, they may or may not get a favorable decsion on this. Honestly the ground work and rules were laid out for all to read and meetings where held for input. Surely everybody knew this was going to happen to someone. If I were a voting member I would have to listen to the proposal, but stand by the boards earlier decsion because it is just going to set off yet another controversy. Maybe it works out differently in 2014. Good luck in the post season with Fairley, Melrose/East, Maplewood/Hillsboro, Maryville.

[therealgame]

The classifications have to be determined some way and historically that has been by enrollment and the change came with the opportunity for schools to move up in classification. TSSAA board makes the decisions in regard to classification, it has to be determined somehow.

 

Yeah henry, morristown and brighton got "bumped"/"forced", boards decsion. The cut off could have been 1250 students or 1500 students then someone else would be forced to deal with moving into a higher classification. Like I said in early post not rocket science and I must add not a perfect system either. But that is how it works. As for Henry County and Morristown, they may or may not get a favorable decsion on this. Honestly the ground work and rules were laid out for all to read and meetings where held for input. Surely everybody knew this was going to happen to someone. If I were a voting member I would have to listen to the proposal, but stand by the boards earlier decsion because it is just going to set off yet another controversy. Maybe it works out differently in 2014. Good luck in the post season with Fairley, Melrose/East, Maplewood/Hillsboro, Maryville.

 

 

Brighton did not get bumped. They were 6A as soon as the enrollment figures were turned in. They were in the upper half of 3A making them 6A no matter who moved up. Henry County and Mo East were bumped to 6A due to the desires of others. The board at TSSAA has NEVER subdivided within a class before so there is no precedent. The proposal by HC and ME makes sense. It wont be the end of the world if it doesnt pass but passing the proposal would be the right and fair thing to do. We will find out soon.

[1new_wildcat_fan]

You are incorrect. No teams "moved down" as a result of the three teams moving up. The only result of that movement was HC and Morristown were "forced" up.

 

 

So your telling me that Whites Creek (1043) Dyersburg (1049) and Chattanooga Central (1065) would not have been in 5 A it West Creek, Northeast, and Mitchell would have decided not to move up. Those are the three highest schools in 4A They would have been at the bottom of 5A but are now at the top of 4A. I still believe that TSSAA started counting from the top. I tried to count and with my kids sitting in my lap not very easy to do. I believe I counted 57 in both 6A and 5A. Now it West Creek, North east and Mitchell were not there then I do believe Whites Creek, Dyersburg, and Chattanooga Central would have been in 5A.

[therealgame]

So your telling me that Whites Creek (1043) Dyersburg (1049) and Chattanooga Central (1065) would not have been in 5 A it West Creek, Northeast, and Mitchell would have decided not to move up. Those are the three highest schools in 4A They would have been at the bottom of 5A but are now at the top of 4A. I still believe that TSSAA started counting from the top. I tried to count and with my kids sitting in my lap not very easy to do. I believe I counted 57 in both 6A and 5A. Now it West Creek, North east and Mitchell were not there then I do believe Whites Creek, Dyersburg, and Chattanooga Central would have been in 5A.

 

 

I am telling you that the teams you mentioned above were ALWAYS in 2A when TSSAA divided the schools into the THREE classes. When the schools moved from 2A to 3A that is when the subdivision took place and HC and ME who had been at the top of where 5A would have been were then "bumped" into 6A. The teams that you mentioned WC DYERS CC were NEVER in 5A because they were ALWAYS in the original 2A (which was divided into 3A and 4A).

[slapper]

I am telling you that the teams you mentioned above were ALWAYS in 2A when TSSAA divided the schools into the THREE classes. When the schools moved from 2A to 3A that is when the subdivision took place and HC and ME who had been at the top of where 5A would have been were then "bumped" into 6A. The teams that you mentioned WC DYERS CC were NEVER in 5A because they were ALWAYS in the original 2A (which was divided into 3A and 4A).

 

 

This is not true. When the oiginal classifications came out Carter High School from east tn was the largest AA school in the state. That other schools were originally in AAA. I looked very close at the numbers to see how the 7AAAA region was going to be affected.

[ftbllfn]

Brighton did not get bumped. They were 6A as soon as the enrollment figures were turned in. They were in the upper half of 3A making them 6A no matter who moved up. Henry County and Mo East were bumped to 6A due to the desires of others. The board at TSSAA has NEVER subdivided within a class before so there is no precedent. The proposal by HC and ME makes sense. It wont be the end of the world if it doesnt pass but passing the proposal would be the right and fair thing to do. We will find out soon.

 

Sorry but you are incorrect. Brighton enrollment is 1466. Without the 3 schools moving up into 3a or basically what we will now know as 5a and 6a the break would have made Brighton the largest 5a school. Your right there was no precedent there ususally never is with change.

[therealgame]

Sorry but you are incorrect. Brighton enrollment is 1466. Without the 3 schools moving up into 3a or basically what we will now know as 5a and 6a the break would have made Brighton the largest 5a school. Your right there was no precedent there ususally never is with change.

 

 

I feel confident that I am correct. The only way we will know (and its not that important) is if the HC/ME proposal passes. If it passes then HC/ME will both be back in 5A where they belong and I think you will find that Brighton will rermain in 6A where they always were.

[ftbllfn]

So your telling me that Whites Creek (1043) Dyersburg (1049) and Chattanooga Central (1065) would not have been in 5 A it West Creek, Northeast, and Mitchell would have decided not to move up. Those are the three highest schools in 4A They would have been at the bottom of 5A but are now at the top of 4A. I still believe that TSSAA started counting from the top. I tried to count and with my kids sitting in my lap not very easy to do. I believe I counted 57 in both 6A and 5A. Now it West Creek, North east and Mitchell were not there then I do believe Whites Creek, Dyersburg, and Chattanooga Central would have been in 5A.

 

Yes they started counting from the top. You are correct if West Creek, Mitchell and Northeast do not move up in classification then Whites Creek, Dyersburg and Chattanooga Central would have been in 5A. Not a perfect system but again there rarely is one.

[ftbllfn]

I feel confident that I am correct. The only way we will know (and its not that important) is if the HC/ME proposal passes. If it passes then HC/ME will both be back in 5A where they belong and I think you will find that Brighton will rermain in 6A where they always were.

 

You are right about one thing. It is not that important. But how can Brighton have always been in 6A when we have never had a 6A classification in the state before? Now they have been a 3A school in basketball, baseball, golf, etc. but for the last 4 years they have played 4A football. The same as JCM, Northside, Munford, Hardin, Hardin and Henry. Change has always been a challenge. Again good luck with Fairley, Melrose/East, Hillsboro/Maplewood, Maryville which should have been a 5A school in football all along. I like your confidence though.

[whyisthat]

Yes they started counting from the top. You are correct if West Creek, Mitchell and Northeast do not move up in classification then Whites Creek, Dyersburg and Chattanooga Central would have been in 5A. Not a perfect system but again there rarely is one.

 

 

It makes no difference where they started counting from, if the TSSAA says they are dividing by enrollment and Morristown East and Henry County were 5A, they should be allowed to stay 5A instead of their classification changing because of what another school did...not by enrollment.