TSSAA question

[beachboy]

Lots of rumors out there but here is one I have heard floating around. Private schools are trying to get the multiplier reduced to make it more equitable. However, the word is TSSAA is going to place ALL private schools together. What happens if the private schools totally bolt TSSAA for their own association? How will that affect all sports especially volleyball?

[PHargis]

BB,answered this a few days ago but it didnt take. Any answer to this is an opinion and I am sure there are many who will fill in the blanks. I really can't get your drift as to why you are asking about volleyball. Volleyball is though the fastest growing female sport in HS and has become one of the most competitive mainly because of great summer training in Club and the evolution in the past 3-4 years or more of current Volleyball coaches that have begun to take the game seriously and during that same time an influx of University Players coaching that really know the game. The game is intense and fans have become insightful and are asking play to be better and better.

The senario you mentioned, if it happened, would include I suppose all High School sports or every school. Some privates would not mind your senario but others might. Sme publics might like it and some might not care. I'm not going to go on record because right now publics don't really have anything to gain or lose in any sport in High School in Tennessee. They are coming off of a time when attendance is great in every sport. The schedules are so that travel is not bad although in some areas it is worse. there seems to be enough teams in each classification that interDistrict play makes things very interesting. While you did not mention it, you didnt give enough details whether DI and D2 schools would still be able to play each other but if they didnt, it wouldnt effect D1's. Some D2 schools like to travel and some dont but most D2 games dont draw much of a crowd overall so on an average its a minus as far as attendance fpr D1 schools.

I dont think there is any bolting to be done by D2. For some reason, each state can only have one association unless its been changed. This is mentioned every year and there is a chance that all privates can have their separation in TSSAA but whether it happens will be more determined by Football because the rest of the sports really dont care.

 

The real issue in this whole matter is this. When a school signs a contract to go by rules and decides not to go by them or get his/her group to agree not to go by them, it becomes a matter of ethics as to whether everybody's together. it makes a difference as far as the State Organization is concerned as to what they stand for. And maybe, as has been insinuated, how many deals have been cut. I dont think any. I like the private schools who are in DI and they compete. Eventually its likely there will be no multiplier but it will take more years than I can tell.

 

On the other side the albatross around Public Schools neck is the transfer rules. Right now they ae concise and easy to understand but they are too easy. But everything can't be perfect. So, the nonly ones talking about bolting, if any, are those private schools in DI and if that happens, then here comes the Charter and magnet schools and at the end, maybe, the student and parent can go whee they want. Is that what you were asking?

BB keep that District 3 and 4 strong again this year. There are some great players coming thru it the next few years.

Edited May 20, 2012 by PHargis

[beachboy]

BB,answered this a few days ago but it didnt take. Any answer to this is an opinion and I am sure there are many who will fill in the blanks. I really can't get your drift as to why you are asking about volleyball. Volleyball is though the fastest growing female sport in HS and has become one of the most competitive mainly because of great summer training in Club and the evolution in the past 3-4 years or more of current Volleyball coaches that have begun to take the game seriously and during that same time an influx of University Players coaching that really know the game. The game is intense and fans have become insightful and are asking play to be better and better.

The senario you mentioned, if it happened, would include I suppose all High School sports or every school. Some privates would not mind your senario but others might. Sme publics might like it and some might not care. I'm not going to go on record because right now publics don't really have anything to gain or lose in any sport in High School in Tennessee. They are coming off of a time when attendance is great in every sport. The schedules are so that travel is not bad although in some areas it is worse. there seems to be enough teams in each classification that interDistrict play makes things very interesting. While you did not mention it, you didnt give enough details whether DI and D2 schools would still be able to play each other but if they didnt, it wouldnt effect D1's. Some D2 schools like to travel and some dont but most D2 games dont draw much of a crowd overall so on an average its a minus as far as attendance fpr D1 schools.

I dont think there is any bolting to be done by D2. For some reason, each state can only have one association unless its been changed. This is mentioned every year and there is a chance that all privates can have their separation in TSSAA but whether it happens will be more determined by Football because the rest of the sports really dont care.

 

The real issue in this whole matter is this. When a school signs a contract to go by rules and decides not to go by them or get his/her group to agree not to go by them, it becomes a matter of ethics as to whether everybody's together. it makes a difference as far as the State Organization is concerned as to what they stand for. And maybe, as has been insinuated, how many deals have been cut. I dont think any. I like the private schools who are in DI and they compete. Eventually its likely there will be no multiplier but it will take more years than I can tell.

 

On the other side the albatross around Public Schools neck is the transfer rules. Right now they ae concise and easy to understand but they are too easy. But everything can't be perfect. So, the nonly ones talking about bolting, if any, are those private schools in DI and if that happens, then here comes the Charter and magnet schools and at the end, maybe, the student and parent can go whee they want. Is that what you were asking?

BB keep that District 3 and 4 strong again this year. There are some great players coming thru it the next few years.

[beachboy]

PHargis you are right as usual on many points. My question does indeed involve all sports. We know football and basketball is the driving force for all TSSAA does. During the past year several private schools have won state titles. Spring fling may bring more. Will the public schools represented in TSSAA decide that enough is enough an make some drastic changes? I do not know how many private schools feel about their own having their own association. Just thinking of possibilities ans throwing out what I hear. Since I follow volleyball that is where I get most of my perspective. Come the middle of June it will be interesting to see what changes come about. Maybe some district realignment. As far as districts 3 an 4 in volleyball we shall see. K2 and Phoenix have had a significant impact in the area.

Edited May 22, 2012 by beachboy

[PHargis]

BB, sorry for taking so long to answer. Realignment in TSSAA hasn't seemed to happen unless there is population growth in schools. It appears, from the outside, that from a competitive point of view in Volleyball most AAA Schools that are serious and most Private schools that are serious play about equal and if they don't, they will try to make adjustments. What is obvious to the way I see it, K2 and Phoenix have been a lot of help to the schools in 3 and 4 and will make a more significant difference as long as the people who are directing those two Clubs continue direct them stay there. And that doesn't mean everybody has to play club. Some players can just play with club players and get some of those skills. I would suggest that everyone stay put and schools try to upgrade their coaching staffs. As i mentioned to some of you before, the real problem with 3 and 4 is a number of Middle Schools in the area who do not have teams in their schools. And no qualified coaches. Middle Schools, here, can be TSSAA or not TSSAA and it is easier to combine the two. Some Middle Schools can pay the fee to play and some just dont want to. That will work and if parents want their schools to play, they find someone to coach and pay them to do so, get enough schools to play and play. Its easier to do that in Middle School. Normally if Principals see a huge interest in a sport, they will add it. In High School, it appears that if your middle schools start feeding your high schools along with what K2 and Phoenix are doing, there is no way you cant be better. etting in and out of TSSAA is not the answer. This site has chat on it and if sometime you would like to chat real time, let me know and we can do it. I am discussing with you things just like I know who you are and I think I did meet you. Good luck with whatever you do and remember, you can spend a lot of money in this sport. its not hard to do.

[PHargis]

BB I do see the reason for your questions now. But sometimes bolting too fast before details are worked out is not the thing to do. The details on community schools have not been worked out but you may already know the answers. Good Luck.

[beachboy]

BB I do see the reason for your questions now. But sometimes bolting too fast before details are worked out is not the thing to do. The details on community schools have not been worked out but you may already know the answers. Good Luck.

 

TSSAA is meeting as we speak or done. We shall see what happens. It will be very interesting. As usual football drives the train an sports like volleyball are just part of it

[PHargis]

That has been that way and where all of the Drama is but over the years, it seems the best to let those interested in the oblong ball make all of the noise and change everything they want to change because it really doesn't make any difference and what the noise reallt is about is promoting the upcoming season. And because teams change, talent changes, coaches change, attitudes will and have changed as many times and the opportunity exists. But thats high school sports. Volleyball, IMO, likely will not change because there is no reason for it to except in Middle School. It appears to be providing the needs of anyone playing and Coaching is improving all the way around. Multiplier or no multiplier, coaches and players make a difference. Thats where its at. If its not working, find something that will make a difference. Everyone can play just about anyone they want during the year, Some want to travel and some dont but if the oblong ball wants to change every year and be happy with traveling on Friday and Saturday nights great distances, send the Women and Girl Athletes over to the nearest Volleyball Event, there is one close, and let them see all of the Excitement and Thrills they want. That will get them out of the weather, get them out of the travel in the car, they can leave anytime they want and if there happens to be a great oblong game close, they might just want to go see it. Great athletes in Womens Volleybll are not hard to find. Volleyball is not going to change just because football does unless school classifications do. Schools will continue playing who they want and maybe at the end of the year it will change but everyone will continue playing who they waant, see the rivals they always will see, see friends and neighbors they want to see and be comfortable and affordable in their visit. Not that VB is all together affordable but if you want to watch a few hours of the game on the weekend, its possible.

Edited June 14, 2012 by PHargis

[beachboy]

That has been that way and where all of the Drama is but over the years, it seems the best to let those interested in the oblong ball make all of the noise and change everything they want to change because it really doesn't make any difference and what the noise reallt is about is promoting the upcoming season. And because teams change, talent changes, coaches change, attitudes will and have changed as many times and the opportunity exists. But thats high school sports. Volleyball, IMO, likely will not change because there is no reason for it to except in Middle School. It appears to be providing the needs of anyone playing and Coaching is improving all the way around. Multiplier or no multiplier, coaches and players make a difference. Thats where its at. If its not working, find something that will make a difference. Everyone can play just about anyone they want during the year, Some want to travel and some dont but if the oblong ball wants to change every year and be happy with traveling on Friday and Saturday nights great distances, send the Women and Girl Athletes over to the nearest Volleyball Event, there is one close, and let them see all of the Excitement and Thrills they want. That will get them out of the weather, get them out of the travel in the car, they can leave anytime they want and if there happens to be a great oblong game close, they might just want to go see it. Great athletes in Womens Volleybll are not hard to find. Volleyball is not going to change just because football does unless school classifications do. Schools will continue playing who they want and maybe at the end of the year it will change but everyone will continue playing who they waant, see the rivals they always will see, see friends and neighbors they want to see and be comfortable and affordable in their visit. Not that VB is all together affordable but if you want to watch a few hours of the game on the weekend, its possible.

 

You are right volleyball teams will pick and choose their tournaments and play where they want. They cannot choose their districts though and that will always be attached to the "oblong" sport.

So TSSAA could not decide and tabled. Interesting eh? My money now is on all staying the same. But then again I don't go to Vegas for a real good reason. PHargis if you know me and you see me stop by and chat, I would love to chew the old leather ball with you. Be fun

[PHargis]

You are right volleyball teams will pick and choose their tournaments and play where they want. They cannot choose their districts though and that will always be attached to the "oblong" sport.

So TSSAA could not decide and tabled. Interesting eh? My money now is on all staying the same. But then again I don't go to Vegas for a real good reason. PHargis if you know me and you see me stop by and chat, I would love to chew the old leather ball with you. Be fun

[PHargis]

Good point. But its what you get out of an event thats important. To win an event with some of the the great tournaments that are put on with some of the best State competition, no matter the Division, is exciting and thats why the atmosphere exists. And if a school wants to duck some events, that explains why one may never see them At State. But it can never be eplained why they didnt show except at the end of the Season. Those watching those things have seen over a time that human nature doesnt change, Two different concepts and thats all right.

Edited June 17, 2012 by PHargis