5A: Quads 1 & 2

[ErikG]

The variables here are Powell, Knox West and Anderson Co. After week 5 Knox West was in Quad 1 and Powell in Quad 2. After week 6 both West and Powell were in Quad 2 (Knox Central entered the equation in Quad 1). Then following week 7 when a team needed to shift from Quad 2 to Quad 1 the TSSAA moved Powell rather than West (the reverse of week 5). The last 2 weeks both Powell and Knox West have been projected in Quad 1, but with Sullivan South having qualified one of these teams will likely be moved to Quad 2. But because the TSSAA has been inconsistent, who knows which one. There's also the less likely scenario where they place Anderson Co., which just entered the picture tonight, in Quad 1 and move both Powell and West to Quad 2. Geographically (as the TSSAA swears they decide things by), that to me would actually be more sensible, but last year when Anderson Co. was in the playoff mix the TSSAA, for whatever reason, persisted in placing the Mavericks in Quad 2. So all that being said, here are the 3 different scenarios for Quad 1 in 5A, and off to the right of each the resulting Quad 2.

 

5A Quad 1 (scenario 1 - Powell).................. 5A Quad 2 (scenario 1)

#8 Sullivan South .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Powell ....................................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 TN High ..................................................... #5 White Co.

#4 South Doyle .............................................. #4 Tullahoma

 

#6 Cherokee .................................................. #6 Knox West

#3 Daniel Boone ............................................ #3 Ooltewah

 

#7 Knox Central ............................................. #7 Anderson Co.

#2 Morristown West ....................................... #2 Lenoir City

 

 

5A Quad 1 (scenario 2 - Knox West)........... 5A Quad 2 (scenario 2)

#8 Sullivan South .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Morristown West ...................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 TN High .................................................... #5 Tullahoma

#4 South Doyle ............................................. #4 Ooltewah

 

#6 Cherokee ................................................. #6 White Co.

#3 Knox West ................................................ #3 Lenoir City

 

#7 Knox Central ............................................ #7 Anderson Co.

#2 Daniel Boone ........................................... #2 Powell

 

 

5A Quad 1 (scenario 3 - Anderson Co.)...... 5A Quad 2 (scenario 3)

#8 Anderson Co. .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Morristown West ..................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 Cherokee ................................................ #5 Tullahoma

#4 TN High ................................................... #4 Ooltewah

 

#6 Knox Central ........................................... #6 White Co.

#3 South Doyle ............................................ #3 Lenoir City

 

#7 Sullivan South ......................................... #7 Knox West

#2 Daniel Boone ........................................... #2 Powell

Edited October 27, 2012 by ErikG

[crawdad]

Sullivan South finished 5-5,5, 0. Enka, N.C. lost last night finishing 5-6.

[ET1979]

The variables here are Powell, Knox West and Anderson Co. After week 5 Knox West was in Quad 1 and Powell in Quad 2. After week 6 both West and Powell were in Quad 2 (Knox Central entered the equation in Quad 1). Then following week 7 when a team needed to shift from Quad 2 to Quad 1 the TSSAA moved Powell rather than West (the reverse of week 5). The last 2 weeks both Powell and Knox West have been projected in Quad 1, but with Sullivan South having qualified one of these teams will likely be moved to Quad 2. But because the TSSAA has been inconsistent, who knows which one. There's also the less likely scenario where they place Anderson Co., which just entered the picture tonight, in Quad 1 and move both Powell and West to Quad 2. Geographically (as the TSSAA swears they decide things by), that to me would actually be more sensible, but last year when Anderson Co. was in the playoff mix the TSSAA, for whatever reason, persisted in placing the Mavericks in Quad 2. So all that being said, here are the 3 different scenarios for Quad 1 in 5A, and off to the right of each the resulting Quad 2.

 

5A Quad 1 (scenario 1 - Powell).................. 5A Quad 2 (scenario 1)

#8 Sullivan South .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Powell ....................................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 TN High ..................................................... #5 White Co.

#4 South Doyle .............................................. #4 Tullahoma

 

#6 Cherokee .................................................. #6 Knox West

#3 Daniel Boone ............................................ #3 Ooltewah

 

#7 Knox Central ............................................. #7 Anderson Co.

#2 Morristown West ....................................... #2 Lenoir City

 

 

5A Quad 1 (scenario 2 - Knox West)........... 5A Quad 2 (scenario 2)

#8 Sullivan South .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Morristown West ...................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 TN High .................................................... #5 Tullahoma

#4 South Doyle ............................................. #4 Ooltewah

 

#6 Cherokee ................................................. #6 White Co.

#3 Knox West ................................................ #3 Lenoir City

 

#7 Knox Central ............................................ #7 Anderson Co.

#2 Daniel Boone ........................................... #2 Powell

 

 

5A Quad 1 (scenario 3 - Anderson Co.)...... 5A Quad 2 (scenario 3)

#8 Anderson Co. .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Morristown West ..................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 Cherokee ................................................ #5 Tullahoma

#4 TN High ................................................... #4 Ooltewah

 

#6 Knox Central ........................................... #6 White Co.

#3 South Doyle ............................................ #3 Lenoir City

 

#7 Sullivan South ......................................... #7 Knox West

#2 Daniel Boone ........................................... #2 Powell

Morristown West will be seeded lower than Boone. Boone is 8-2, West is 7-3

[toomuchtime]

TSSAA only counts the first ten games for out of state teams that play 11 games like NC does.

 

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[toomuchtime]

If they stick to the way they have done since the playoff plan started then this one will be it.

5A Quad 1 (scenario 2 - Knox West)........... 5A Quad 2 (scenario 2)

#8 Sullivan South .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Morristown West ...................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 TN High .................................................... #5 Tullahoma

#4 South Doyle ............................................. #4 Ooltewah

 

#6 Cherokee ................................................. #6 White Co.

#3 Knox West ................................................ #3 Lenoir City

 

#7 Knox Central ............................................ #7 Anderson Co.

#2 Daniel Boone ........................................... #2 Powell

[ErikG]

 

Morristown West will be seeded lower than Boone. Boone is 8-2, West is 7-3

 

Morristown West is a district runner-up. Boone is a wildcard. Overall records only come into play when a champion is being compared to other district champions, a runner-up to other runners-up, and a wildcard against other wildcards.

[ErikG]

If they stick to the way they have done since the playoff plan started then this one will be it.

5A Quad 1 (scenario 2 - Knox West)........... 5A Quad 2 (scenario 2)

#8 Sullivan South .......................................... #8 Walker Valley

#1 Morristown West ...................................... #1 Columbia

 

#5 TN High .................................................... #5 Tullahoma

#4 South Doyle ............................................. #4 Ooltewah

 

#6 Cherokee ................................................. #6 White Co.

#3 Knox West ................................................ #3 Lenoir City

 

#7 Knox Central ............................................ #7 Anderson Co.

#2 Daniel Boone ........................................... #2 Powell

 

The last time the TSSAA had to choose between Knox West and Powell as to which would be moved to Quad 2 (this was after week 7), they moved Knox West. But, again, if you go back to the projections following week 5 when they had a choice between the two, they moved Powell west to Quad 2. No consistency on the TSSAA's part, so that's why there are 3 scenarios -- the 3rd being Anderson Co., just in case their initial appearance in this year's playoff picture prompts the TSSAA to place them in Quad 1 (rather than Powell or Knox West). I tend to think the TSSAA's most recent projection (when having to chose between the two) of having Powell in Quad 1 and Knox West in Quad 2 is the most "reliable". Again, that was after week 7.

[crawdad]

TSSAA only counts the first ten games for out of state teams that play 11 games like NC does.

 

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Are you sure about this?

[ErikG]

From the 2012-2013 TSSAA Handbook for Football Regulations, Section II - B ( http://www.tssaa.org/Handbook/football.pdf ):

 

"In the event of a tie for a championship, second place, or qualifier, should one of the team's opponents play 11 games, only the first 10 games played shall be counted ..."

 

It's right there on the first page, and I guess we can only take them at their word.

[toomuchtime]

Maybe one of Enka's games was a scrimmage that TSSAA previously counted and they are possibly 4-6. I don't know. Guess I was wrong

[ErikG]

Maybe one of Enka's games was a scrimmage that TSSAA previously counted and they are possibly 4-6. I don't know. Guess I was wrong

 

Nope, you weren't wrong; TSSAA doesn't know its own rules, even the ones a mere inch down from the top of the document. Worse yet, they don't truly correct their mistake by redrawing the Quads. Was there no prep, no anticipation? Isn't something like this happening, on average, every other year? Especially since they tucked tail and refused to make it right, they need to admit already that it's just too complicated a system for them to administer. I might be more sympathetic if this was the first time they completely dropped the ball or if this Frankenstein wasn't their own creation.

 

Also, the nutshell justification in the TSSAA's press release --

 

"This is not the first time that a mistake has been found after the initial release of the brackets. In every situation in the past, it has been dealt with by making the correction that affects the least amount of teams in the bracket."

 

-- should be amended at the end to include, "and calls the least amount of attention to our obvious, and obviously embarrassing, blunder."

Edited October 28, 2012 by ErikG