Kenwood Tournament

[dragonwrestler]

I guess my first question about the tournament is, Why did they have 2 referees on the mat for the consolation finals and only 1 on the mat for the Championship finals? Especially when they had about 7 referees for the 2 mats out for the finals. Also, I believe that for a few of the referees, they would have needed another official just to form one competent one. And I am not saying this of all the referees that were there, just maybe 2 or 3. This particularly bugs me because a majority of the incorrect of controversial calls were made towards West Tennessee teams, (i.e. Collierville and CBHS). Let's see if Coach Masters(KKW), can maybe answer some of my questions because I know he too noticed many of the errors of the officials.

[BAJ16]

Who won indiviuals at Kenwood Tournament?

[rankit30]

WHat are the results for the kenwood classic??

[coachmasters]

dragonwrestler...Excuses are just like buttholes; Everybody has one and they all stink!

[best_of_the_west]

KKW,

What did you think about the officiating, because I was there, and I definitely saw some calls that ranged from questionable to poor. The most blatant went against Jay Simpson (171 from CBHS) in the finals. The official (the only official) did not hear the buzzer go off to end the first period. Simpson was behind the Clarksville kid when the buzzer went off. The Clarksville kid got a reversal after the buzzer and went out of bounds. Coach Lewis asked him about the call, and the official said that since he didn't hear the buzzer go off, he couldn't change the call. Don't you think that if there was another official, that probably would have been prevented? Also, shouldn't there have been a mat girl to tap him when the period ended? I'm not necessarily saying it was your fault, but surely you have a better answer than to mock a high school kid for you team's victory.

[wrestlerguy]

What are the results of tourney kkw.

[best_of_the_west]

They are posted on the other Kenwood thread at the bottom of the Wrestling Mat page.

[tradewind]

Best of the West...All officals make mistakes. It is called being human. Are you an offical? Have you ever done it? It is definately not as easy as it appears from the coaching chair or the stands. As for the match you questioned, did that call affect the outcome of the match? We both know that answer. It is a shame that after weeks/months of preparation that instead of talking about how well certain kids wrestled all that is brought up are the few/many(insert opinion) mistakes made by the officals. I don't believe you are new to the sport, so this should not be news to you. On any call that is questionable someone will be happy and someone will be mad. Did I like every call on both nights? No. Not even close. I choose to coach my kids and tell them how some things are out of our control instead of worrying about calls that will never change.

 

The second offical could/should have been used. As for towel girls they were used all day. The confusion may have come from switching scoring tables and clock for the finals matches. This occurred sometime after the start of the finals. Mat 1 had a small table clock. It was later changed to the large clock on the wall. This was ran from a different table. Again it doesn't explain why there was no girl, but they were utilized all day.

 

Todd Gilpin

Assistant Coach Kenwood High School

Edited December 9, 2003 by tradewind

[papbear3]

Let it go....everyone makes mistakes, human error, we don't have glorious instant replay like the NFL (insert joke here). Great tournament, great hosts, tournament ran smooth. Great new idea by Johnny on how to run the pools. Best of the West, it is over now, let's move on.

[dragonwrestler]

Coach Masters, if I were trying to make excuses I would be talking about why my finals match that only had 1 official had a call made at the last couple of seconds where the official began counting backpoints with less than 3 seconds in the match and the buzzer sounded almost immediately after he had 2 seconds counted, my opponent was awarded 2 backpoints for a 3 count that never happened. Also, in the same match I got hit for stalling when I took a shot and did not finish it, since when was the man attempting the takedown stalling? I ended up losing the match by 1 point, and I choose to blame this on the officiating. That IS my excuse, but I choose not to make excuses, so I previously did not mention but since you viewed my first post as an excuse rather than the complaint for which ot was intended, and you never even answered my first question as to why there were 2 officials on the consolation finals and only 1 running the championship finals? I will get over this folly though no doubt, and I will be training for our next return to Kenwood. I am blaming nothing on you, Coach Masters, just questioning some of the events of the tournament in hopes that you can answer them.

[best_of_the_west]

My intent for my post was to do exactly what everyone else does on this site--discuss topics. I did not criticize any particular official. I did not accuse anyone of wrong doing or unprofessional behavior. I simply attempted to bring about a reasonable discussion on a reasonable topic. I know Coach Lewis is very gracious to the Kenwood team and coaching staff for puting on the tournament, and since it was my first post on the matter, I hardly think I was lingering on the subject. Since I paid my $7 to get into the tournament (which I can only assume partially went toward paying the officials), I believe I should be allowed the liberty of discussing the topic. But out of respect for Coach Lewis and Coach Masters, I will drop the subject--no offense was intended. Good luck this year.

[JustWrestle]

OK, just to say it and get it out of the way. But, it seems that some of the same teams that were there at Kenwood last year and complained, are again some of the same ones who were there this year, and complained. I am only questioning that if you weren't happy about the outcome last year, and you aren't happy with it this year, why in the world would you come back next year? (Please note, I am only making an observation on the negative comments, not the tournament. It was a tournament with top-notch talent. I enjoyed it.)

Edited December 9, 2003 by JustWrestle