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+1 on Lipscomb (both the college field and the one on Franklin Road) and definitely on Columbia Academy. CA is short but nice and wide. Fairview had a great field too, but they leave those permanent goals in place and the goal mouths are not good. Other than that Fairview has a great field, long and wide and Coach Sizemore and his crew do a great job in maintaining the pitch.

Wait until the one announcer squeals like a stuck pig when someone scores a goal. Embarrassing, circa cable access.

You're right. Should have been (7-5-x) on each. On the question of teams moving or changing quads. When there is a deficiency in one quad, obviously there is an excess in another. This year in 3A: (1) 7, (2) 9, (3) 12, (4) 4. The eastern most team geographically from quad 2 moves into quad 1, in this case it's Sweetwater. In quad 3, the 8 most eastern teams remain in quad 3, and the 4 most western teams most into 4, which were Lewis County, Camden, Waverly, and Hickman County. Once the teams are placed into their respective quads, the seeding is made. Hope this helps.

In Middle Tennessee, I'm going to go with Page, FRA, and maybe Franklin. We're A/AA so I've not seen many of the AAA fields. But it the CCS field until they destroyed it. I do know that it's not Siegel. State finals in May were unacceptable. Lots of green spray paint on dirt on the so-called "championship" field.

Whoops. Soccer guy thinking of USJC. Thanks, let me correct it!

This is what it should look like. I'd post the bracket here but I have tried and tried and have no clue how to post a JPEG, PNG, PDF, screenshot, etc. (x-x-x-x) = (Wins-Opponents with 50% wins-Wins over opponents with 50% wins-opponent wins) QUAD 1 1. Alcoa (District #1) 2. Chukey-Doak (District #2) 3. Pigeon Forge (7-4-1-46) 4. GP (7-4-1-42) 5. Sweetwater (6-4-1) 6. West Greene (6-3/4-0) 7. CAK (5) 8. Johnson City County (4) thanks parrotheadvol for point out the error QUAD 2 1. Notre Dame (District #1) 2. McMinn Central (District #2) 8 wins 3. Red Bank (District #2) 6 wins 4. Upperman (6) 5. York Institute (5-5-2) 6. Bledsoe County (5-5-1-49) 7. Grundy County (5-5-1-48) 8. CCS (4) QUAD 3 1. CPA (District #1) 10 wins 2. WH-Heritage (District #1) 9 wins 3. East Nashville (District #1) 8 wins 4. Westmoreland (District #2) 5. Fairview (7-5) 6. Lipscomb (7-4) 7. Cascade (4-6-1) 8 Harpeth (4-6-0) QUAD 4 1. Camden (District #1) 2. Waverly Central (District #2) 8 wins 3. Manassas (District #2) 7 wins 4. Westview (8) 5. Milan (7-8) 6. Hickman County (7-5) 7. Fairley (5) 8. Lewis County (4)

This is poor. Most of us have played teams in the past where we could have won by 20 in a soccer game. The worst one I remember was a few years back in our A/AA district first round. Started our bottom 11 girls and were up 8-0, 20 minutes in. Ended up winning 9-0. Last month, there was an AAA team here in Williamson County that beat a district opponenent 15-0. Their national level player scored 7 goals. Not faulting the player as players do what the coaches tell them to do. Coach apparently was worried about goal differential even though the district has a +/-4 GD max per game. There are ways to not beat a team by 2 touchdowns and field goal. Call all of this what you want, but the word "class" does not come to mind.

Only posting one, my favorite of the night: https://twitter.com/jfw_3/status/508363643902521344/photo/1

Anyone know how to post a pictures here?

This is an inaccurate statement. Recruiting is not legal in Division 1 or Division II. The only difference in ANY of the rules between the two divisions is that D II can offer need based financial aid to students playing sports at the varsity level whereas the (20) private schools in Division 1 cannot. Anything prohibited in Division 1 is also prohibited in D II.

Apologies for the confusion about my previous post. Just noting that Armstrong took whatever he was handed in terms of personnel and made due with it.

In case anyone was curious, of "Armstrongs players" that won last year, 9 of the 11 starters in the final (and every match in the post season) attended CPA from Kindergarten. #10 moved to Nashville in the 9th grade, and #11 came to CPA in the 9th as well from BA and had never played soccer.

On another note. Of the 11 starters from CPA in the final against CAK, 9 have been there since they were in kindergarten and 3 played soccer for travel teams last fall.

I will point this out again as I did earlier in the thread. Over the past five years, in A/AA soccer for boys and girls, there have been 80 slots in the state tournament. Of those 80 slots... • 72 (90%) have been AA, 8 have been A. Broken down further... 72 AA (3A & 4A), 7 (2A), 1 (1A) • 55 (69%) have come from 8 metro counties, 18 from "middle" counties, and 7 have come from single county schools • 38 private schools, 42 public schools All 20 champions in soccer from both genders in both A/AA and AAA have come from Davidson, Williamson, Knox, Hamilton, and Shelby, plus one from Sumner. In AAA, 74 of the 80 state teams since 2009-10 were 6A and only 6 from 5A. This does not even begin to address the issue of open zoning, charger, or magnet schools. One side of the public-private debate will say these schools are simply public schools. Public is public. The other side will say these are essentially private schools without a $10k+ tuition bill. In terms of most successful programs in the TSSAA over the past two decades, nothing comes close to the football programs which hail from Blount Count,y which has open zoning and can attract students from surrounding counties. Alcoa has won 8 of the last 10 Class 3A Football titles including 7 consecutive years from 2004-2010. Maryville has been even more impressive, winning 10 of the last 14 5A/6A titles and was runner up in 3 of the 4 years they lost. All of this is to point out that while complaining about the public/private disparity, it is not the only disparity and not biggest. If we are truly interested in wanting to discuss the problems of parity in high school athletics, in addition to private/public... combined classes, revisiting the multiplier, metro/middle/rural, and accepting certain demographics are going to have to be brought into the discussion.

Your son made a good observation. CAK played very well and hard and were a class act throughout the match as well as after. Same can be said for their support. Officiating at the match was also excellent. As for players going on to play at the collegiate level, I don't know about CAK. As for CPA, we graduated 13 seniors. None of them will play college soccer and only two of them played any level of travel soccer in high school. We have 6 underclassmen who play on club teams outside of school at various levels.

Of the 5 fields which were and are being used this week, 2 was the best, which hosted 4 of the 6 A/AA matches. 3 and 4 were poor and 10 was even worse. Then there is the stadium field. We walked it this evening and sadly, it is the worst of all 5 of them. For the entire length of the field, in an area about 30 yards wide there is little more than green paint on dirt. Both goalmouths are compacted sand in an area greater than the width of the goal up through the penalty mark. This is not an issue of a "couple of brown spots" or dormant bermuda. There is simply no grass, green or brown, on large portions of the field. In the fall for the girls' tournament, in comparison to what we had used for several years at GPS, CCS, and Baylor, the fields were poor. Their present condition when compared to last November exponentially worse. One exception which was equally bad for both tournaments would be the bushels of kitty litter which was poured all over the goal mouths. Poor and unacceptable. As for why the tournament stayed at the Richard Siegel Soccer Complex... maybe they were contractually obligated to play at Siegel. Maybe the logistics to move it at the last minute were too much. Maybe this was poor planning as it was likely obvious several weeks ago that the fields would not be in acceptable condition. Maybe it was several of these issues, or maybe none of them. It seems difficult to make the argument that playing at several different sites would be unfair to some teams, as this was never a problem over the past several years when the girls' tournament was held across three different sites. I'm not going to speculate as to why the matches were not moved, nor am I going to question the motives behind the decision. What I will ask is whether the conditions of the fields are worthy of being used for a state championship tournament. For that question, I believe that the answer is that they were not.

Catfish is making an excellent observation. From 2009-present (the past 5 seasons, including this year) here is what you've had in A/AA soccer for both boys and girls: There have been 40 state tournament slots for each gender. A v AA Boys: A = 4 AA = 36 Girls: A = 4 AA = 36 Counties Metro (Davidson, Williamson, Shelby, Hamilton, Knox) v 1 or 2 school counties v everything else Boys: 30-2-8 Girls: 25-5-10 Private-Public Boys: 16-24 Girls: 22-18 The purpose of this post is to present some other disparities beyond the usual private-public debate, rather than to go down that road again. While privates proportionally do very well in soccer, a much wider gap exists between the success levels of A and AA schools in a combined class (or 4 football classes) where enrollment numbers range between the smallest school up to 1025. Just a side note on class AAA, which combines 5A and 6A football schools: Boys: 5A = 3 6A = 37 Girls: 5A = 3 6A = 37

Which of the other three is open zoning? There are five public schools in both Greene and Madison counties.

Brackets are up: http://tssaa.org/2014-tssaa-class-a-aa-state-soccer-tournament-bracket/ Hume Fogg v Jackson Northside CAK v Signal Mountain Greenville v Madison Murfreesboro Central v CPA A little demographic breakdown, if anyone is interested: 1 12 consecutive appearances (CAK) 1 4 consecutive appearances (Greeneville) 1 2 consecutive appearances (CPA) 5 newcomers - at least new to anyone on the present teams 6 public (3 of which are magnet schools) 2 private A/AA combines 4 football classes 4 4A 3 3A 1 2A 5 from the 5 metro counties (Knox, Davidson, Hamilton, Rutherford, no Shelby) 2 from Madison 1 from Greene Should be a great tournament.

Correct, sort off... One match suspension for DOGSO (denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Unclear about double yellow as the TSSAA handbook is poorly written in that area. Not a slight, just needs to be clarified.

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2 match suspension = foul and abusive language, violent conduct 1 match suspension = DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) ??? = double yellow. I believe there is no suspension, but someone else will need to confirm.

Your point on a facility which is used multiple times on a daily basis versus a single use school field is correct. One is obviously going to be much harder to keep in proper condition than the other. As I've not seen the Siegel Complex fields other than the pictures earlier in the discussion, I cannot make a call as to whether the match site should be changed, I was just glad to hear that was being considered it the fields were a problem. And yes, rye seeding every year can cause problems if not properly taken care of. As for having matches at multiple sites, I would have no problem with that. Up until this past fall, that is how the girls tournament had been run in Chattanooga for years. A/AA at CCS, AAA at GPS and D2 at Baylor, with all the finals at GPS. Some may disagree with this, but having the tournament at a multi field facility with several matches playing at the same time makes the whole thing feel like just another travel team tournament with 20-30 teams playing rather than one field and one match at a time. If notably better field conditions exist within 20-30 minutes driving distance to Siegel, I would support their moving the matches. You would need 2 or 4 locations on Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday, and 1 on Friday.

Page HS's field is gorgeous right now. We played a regular season match there about a month ago. Yes, the winter was worse than usual on bermuda, but if a field was seeded with rye and properly taken care of (watered and not overused) it would be fantastic right now. Our baseball and softball fields are so green they look like bermuda does in August and September. All this to say, if the fields are bad, the matches should be moved. In the fall for the girls state championship, they were average. What was an embarrassing disgrace is that the goal mouths on each field were 6 yards x 3 yards of kitty litter. There is no excuse for that, period. You use your brain and shorten the field at each end by 3 yards and it's 114 x 75 instead of 120. Apparently nobody making decisions last November was able to think this up. Discouraged that the fields are in crap condition, but encouraged that they are considering moving the matches...

Because this was an inter-equad game and players were were part of his team, there is no problem. "Any organized game in which players not registered with TSSAA participate – regardless of whether admission is charged - is considered as an independent game."