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You seem to be the “idiot” in this conversation. First off I didn’t say they didn’t deserve to win it. Both those young men had great years and great tournaments. As a matter of fact other than his family no one was happier for Sammy to win than me. Now do I think Davis should have won it, yeah I do. Nobody at the tournament could even remotely compete with him. Pinning all the way through with only one kid even getting out of the first period. Total absolute domination in every match.

106 the top 4 pretty interchangeable. Walker beat Bond. Uhorchuk and Dupil split during the season. The others didn’t wrestle each other. 138 Dendy lost to Lipsey by pin. Shires clear number one there for me. 160 I like Brenot over Dalon. I think the rest of the weights are spot on.

No worries Fooseball there are about to be some years in the not to distant future that it will be darn near impossible to keep the award away.The group of middle schoolers coming up are going to be the best ever to walk through the doors at Cleveland.If you think the legacy that the Laxton’s, McDaniel, Bradford, Whiteside, Ellison, Boyd, Davis, left was awesome just wait. We got Tulsa placers, Preseason Nationals placers, absolute monsters on deck. They didn’t lose a match two years ago at kid state duals. Not a single match. That’s against the rest of the state.

I don’t know what criteria they use for it is anymore. Some years it feels more like a Highschool career award. Other years it’s a popularity contest. The year it didn’t go to Tyler Seally from Science Hill was an absolute travesty. He won a state title and didn’t surrender a single point in the entire tournament. Congratulations to Sammy Shires for this years award.

That's a weak argument. It just simply does work that way. What you're saying is its absolutely impossible for him to have gone and trained in the off season and gotten better because he doesn't have Cleveland's strength of schedule. An 8-0 major decision loss in finals to Walker. Bosken his back up finishes 3rd at 113. Practice partners matter. Cleveland places 10 out of 11. So all of you who think “Fight Nights” and soft scheduling is the key to winning please keep that.

Sammy Shires for AA

He came out attacking. No hesitation at all on his part. He wrestled great.

It started out close but Norman stayed in better position and created the separation in the score. He wrestled really well and I like his offensive aggressiveness.

I think the team race will definitely be closer than the past couple of years. Are they vulnerable though is hard to say. They have four kids most would agree to be finalist this year with probably five other placers. That’s 9 out of 11. Bradley has 11 going also followed by Dobbyns Bennet and Maryville with 10 each. Going to need some upsets I think to make the team race really tight.

Looks like if he wins first round then he gets Wittman from Franklin. That will be a tall task for him to get past I think. Should he lose there he would most likely end up with a previous years medalist in the consolation semis. I think he places but he will have to wrestle really well to finish top four and pull off an upset along the way.

I stated right here in the very first sentence. “No denying that money and resources contribute to the success.” I am a lot of things but mad is laughable. I couldn’t be more grateful and appreciative of the coaches and the people in the community in Cleveland. I owe Bosken and Knox a debt that no amount of money could ever payback. Those guys Invested time in my child and sacrificed time with there families to help him improve.

Your quoting an article that is eight years old. A lot has changed in those eight years. What I stated was fact and first hand knowledge not from a eight year old news article.

So if every other program does what we do why aren’t they winning??? Why is our k-8 program, made up of ALL Cleveland City kids, dominating at the youth level? Is it because of what Allan did 16 years ago. People just can’t except we work harder and are willing to go the extra mile.

No denying that money and resources contribute to the success. However it takes a lot more than that. The 50k was used to hire a coach not given to the coaches……and was 16 years ago. Each club gets 15k a year to travel, help pay for kids who need it, and pay coaches….. spread that out and see how much money coaches are getting. Bradley Pride gets the EXACT same as HCWC. Bosken traveled 40 weekends last year….taking kids all over the country. Not because he is being paid…. because losing sucks. we have to fundraise 50-60k a year to do what we do…… Contrary to popular belief it doesn’t come from Allan although we are extremely grateful for his contribution. Allan didn’t pay for the charter bus Allan didn’t pay for hotel rooms Allan didn’t pay for the kids to go to beast Allan didn’t help with cost to get us to fargo Allan didn’t pay for ANY gear we have Allan didn’t pay for the upgrades in the facility this year. This is ALL done by local community members that have bought in to the success we are having. Our girls operated on a 2k budget this year……and I myself and a few others help out so the girls could get what was needed. The girls have committed to train and do some powerlifting competitions. That takes money and we raised 1k yesterday with a few phone calls. That doesn’t happen accidentally and it requires a lot of people dedicated to the programs and the community.

Oh that Signal Mountain kid knows all about the deep end of the pool. Been swimming on that end for a long time now.

Here is strength of schedule argument. Last 8 out of 10 State titles Cleveland 9 out of 14 individual finalist last year with 6 Champs. You think think that is happening by chance? Walker by decision at a minimum.

That’s exactly how it works. He beat the Sebron kid from Blackman 7-5. That’s his best win all year so far. He very well might be training in the off season and working hard. I have no idea but when that water gets deep and he hasn’t been in that end of the pool the view is a lot different.

Yes that’s exactly what I am saying. He lost to ZB 9-2 last year at club state duals. You can’t wrestle all season and not go and test yourself and think that somehow you just find a way to turn it on in a big match. It just simply doesn’t work that way.

The only kid that I think can challenge Walker from Cleveland is Ford from Independence. He started out the year at 126 I believe and I think he certified for 108. He will be a very big 108. The WC kid is athletic but really hasn’t wrestled anyone.

Yeah a 16 man bracket can run in one day and this is about nothing more than money. Three days of weigh ins are terrible for the kids with hard weight cuts and why did they change the bracket size if it’s still three days?

Belcher did not get pinned. He got decisioned 6-4 I believe. However to answer the second part of the question yes they get a lot of votes in the middle of the state. What actual tournament did they attend this year in which they could test themselves against the best teams this year outside of GP West?

That’s correct Fisak did get the pin my mistake. Jarvis was one point from having a major and kind of faded at the very end. The match was close and competitive throughout.

Wilson Central got no bonus from Todd, Fisak, or Fort. They didn’t win the close matches.

I like what Summit is building as a program but I think they will need some bonus points and maybe an upset in a match to win against Bradley. Bradley won 34-30 last time out at the Cleveland duals. I think Summit has to win and get bonus at HWT to make it a match. Maybe hold off Bradley in a few matches to decisions versus bonus. I think it’s very close.