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  1. Apostle

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    Last post for awhile – Spring Break is over tomorrow / back to work☹. AES Rankings by Age Group as of 3/14/2019: # of overall Teams Ranked “Top 5” Tennessee Teams 12's (1,908 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Ethos 12 Black (12-1) 58 A5 Chatt 12 Dan (12-1) 81 Mem Metro 12 Elite Black (12-1) 103 K2 Adidas Deidre (12-1) 127 C2Attack 12 Smack (12-2) 130 13's (2,530 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Mid TN 13-1 7 Memphis VBAcademy 13 Red (13-1) 48 Alliance 13 REN (13-1) 60 K2 Adidas Brent (13-1) 89 Mem Metro 13 Elite Black 101 14's (3,930 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 14 Adidas Chris (14-1) 40 TPV 14 Zulu 67 TPV 14 Yankee 83 Alliance 14 REN (14-1) 153 Mem Metro 14 Elite Black (14-1) 289 15's (3,375 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 15 Adidas Fly Girls (15-1) 42 Mem Metro 15 Elite Black (15-1) 137 A5 Chatt 15 Juliana 282 Alliance 15 REN (15-1) 358 Alliance 15 Molten (15-2) 451 16's (3,440 Teams Ranked) AES Rank A5 Chatt 16 Duane 78 TPV 16-Alpha 88 K2 16-2 AO 301 Mem Metro 16 Elite Black (16-1) 378 C2Attack 16 S-Smack 416 17's (2,183 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Mid TN 17-1 158 Alliance 17 REN (17-1) 204 A5 Chatt 17 Nancy (17-1) 217 Phoenix Rising 17 Brian (17-1) 231 K2 17 Adidas (17-1) 497 18's (1,838 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 18 Adidas JOTA (18-1) 22 Mid TN 18-1 136 TPV 18-Bravo (18-1) 270 K2 18 Adidas Andre (18-2) 332 TPV 18-Paragon (18-2) 340
  2. Apostle

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    Some tightening of the Club rankings for the week reporting 3/14/2019: * K2 came back to the pack with two teams falling out of the Top 300 * other Clubs had teams move down in ranking categories * A5 Chatt's consistency allows for some upward movement in the overall Club rankings. # of Teams Ranked Nationally (3/14/2019) #1 - #101 - #201 Total Club (Region) #100 #200 #300 Teams 1) K2 (East) 4 1 0 5 2) TN Performance (Middle) 3 0 2 5 3) A5 Chatt (East) 2 0 2 4 4) Mid TN (Middle) 1 3 0 4 5) Alliance (Middle) 1 1 2 4 6) Memphis Metro (West) 0 3 1 4 7) Memphis VBA (West) 1 1 0 2 8) Ethos (Middle) 1 0 0 1 9) C2 Attack (Middle) 0 1 0 1 10) Phoenix Rising (East) 0 0 1 1
  3. Apostle

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    According to AES, the BlueGrass tournament competition last weekend did not treat TN club teams very kindly (see recap below). Highlighted are Gold and Silver finishes but take into account some of the divisions those teams played in. Also, a few teams were initially seeded in Power Pools guaranteeing no worse than a Silver Bracket finish. Osage - this week's AES ranks for TN teams will level out most likely. TEAM AGE DIVISION # of Match Sets SUNDAY TEAMS SEED FINISH W/L W/L BRACKET ALLIANCE 18-1 Ren 18 OPEN 36 20 T-21 3-3 7-6 BRONZE ALLIANCE 18-2 Molten 18 PREMIER 36 6 T-13 1-4 3-9 SILVER ALLIANCE 17-3 Premier 17 CLUB 32 9 T-13 2-3 4-7 SILVER ALLIANCE 16-3 Premier 16 CLUB 48 27 T-29 2-3 4-6 CONSOLATION ALLIANCE 15-3 Premier 15 CLUB 36 28 T-28 1-4 3-8 CONSOLATION ALLIANCE 14-3 Premier 14 CLUB 36 29 T-19 3-2 7-6 CONSOLATION ALLIANCE 13-3 Premier 13 PREMIER 24 23 24 0-5 0-10 COPPER ALLIANCE 11-1 Ren 11 PREMIER 16 15 T-15 0-5 1-10 SILVER ETHOS 18-1 Adidas Elite 18 PREMIER 36 30 T-25 3-2 7-5 COPPER ETHOS 16-1 Adidas Elite 16 PREMIER 36 33 T-33 1-4 2-8 RED ETHOS 15 Green 15 PREMIER 36 32 T-33 1-4 3-8 RED ETHOS 14 Black 14 PREMIER 36 30 T-35 0-5 3-10 RED K2 18-1 Adidas Jota 18 OPEN 36 8 T-15 1-4 4-9 SILVER K2 18-2 Adidas Andre 18 PREMIER 36 18 T-19 3-3 8-8 BRONZE K2 18-3 Natalie 18 CLUB 31 22 T-20 2-3 4-6 CONSOLATION K2 17-1 Adidas 17 OPEN 36 22 T-19 3-3 7-7 BRONZE K2 17-2 Karin 17 CLUB 32 22 T-31 0-5 1-10 COPPER K2 16-1 Adidas Derek 16 OPEN 36 29 T-29 1-4 3-8 COPPER K2 16-2 AO 16 CLUB 48 15 18 4-3 9-7 BRONZE K2 15-1 Adidas Fly Girls 15 OPEN 36 14 T-13 4-2 8-5 SILVER K2 15-2 Nicole 15 CLUB 36 13 T-11 3-3 6-8 SILVER K2 14-1 Adidas Chris 14 OPEN 32 13 17 4-2 8-7 BRONZE K2 14-2 Rob 14 CLUB 36 21 T-31 1-4 2-8 CONSOLATION K2 13-1 Adidas Brent 13 OPEN 24 14 T-13 2-3 6-7 SILVER K2 12-1 Adidas Deidre 12 OPEN 21 4 18 0-5 3-10 COPPER K2 11-1 Pam 11 GIRLS 12 1 7 4-1 8-2 SILVER K2 10-1 Tish 10 CLUB 9 3 1 7-0 14-1 GOLD MEM Jrs VBA 17 Anderton 17 OPEN 36 17 T-33 1-4 5-8 RED MEM Jrs VBA 16 Anderton 16 OPEN 36 28 T-27 2-3 5-6 CONSOLATION MEM Metro 18 Masters 18 OPEN 36 30 T-31 3-2 7-4 RED MEM Metro 17 Elite Black 17 PREMIER 36 10 T-5 2-4 4-9 GOLD MEM Metro 17 Elite Red 17 CLUB 32 29 T-29 1-4 2-8 COPPER MEM Metro 16 Elite Black 16 PREMIER 36 13 T-21 3-3 6-7 BRONZE MEM Metro 16 Elite Red 16 CLUB 48 40 41 1-4 2-9 CONSOLATION MEM Metro 15 Elite Black 15 OPEN 36 16 T-19 3-3 6-8 BRONZE MEM Metro 15 Elite Red 15 CLUB 36 27 T-17 2-3 4-7 BRONZE MEM Metro 14 Elite White 14 CLASSIC 24 13 T-17 1-4 4-9 CONSOLATION MEM Metro 14 Elite Red 14 CLUB 36 15 T-25 1-4 2-8 COPPER MEM Metro 14 Elite Black 14 PREMIER 36 24 18 4-3 10-8 BRONZE MEM Metro 13 Elite Black 13 PREMIER 24 15 T-3 5-1 10-4 GOLD MIDTN 18-1 18 CLUB 31 7 T-3 5-1 10-3 GOLD MIDTN 17-1 17 PREMIER 36 18 T-25 3-2 8-4 COPPER MIDTN 17-2 17 CLUB 32 25 T-13 3-2 6-4 SILVER MIDTN 16-1 16 OPEN 36 27 T-35 0-5 1-10 RED MIDTN 16-2 16 CLUB 48 39 T-47 0-5 3-10 CONSOLATION MIDTN 15-1 15 CLUB 36 21 T-31 1-4 4-9 CONSOLATION MIDTN 14-1 14 CLUB 36 8 T-28 3-2 7-5 CONSOLATION MIDTN 13-1 13 PREMIER 24 2 1 7-0 14-1 GOLD TPV 18 BRAVO 18 OPEN 36 31 T-29 1-4 4-8 COPPER TPV 18 PARAGON 18 PREMIER 36 17 T-23 2-4 5-8 BRONZE TPV 18 PRODIGY 18 CLUB 31 8 T-13 3-2 6-5 SILVER TPV 18 ALAMO 18 CLUB 31 21 T-20 2-3 5-6 CONSOLATION TPV 17 OMAHA 17 PREMIER 36 26 T-33 1-4 2-8 RED TPV 16 ALPHA 16 OPEN 36 23 T-19 4-2 9-4 BRONZE TPV 16 LIBERTY 16 PREMIER 36 14 T-13 3-3 8-8 SILVER TPV 16 INDEPENDENCE 16 CLUB 48 31 39 2-3 4-7 CONSOLATION TPV 16 FREEDOM 16 CLASSIC 36 16 T-25 1-4 2-8 CONSOLATION TPV 15 ALPHA 15 OPEN 36 30 T-29 1-4 2-9 CONSOLATION TPV 15 LIBERTY 15 PREMIER 36 29 T-29 1-4 3-8 CONSOLATION TPV 15 INDEPENDENCE 15 CLUB 36 20 T-25 1-4 3-9 CONSOLATION TPV 14 ZULU 14 OPEN 32 18 T-13 2-3 6-6 SILVER TPV 14 YANKEE 14 OPEN 32 27 19 3-3 7-8 BRONZE TPV 14 TANGO 14 PREMIER 36 22 T-19 3-3 7-6 BRONZE TPV 14 FOXTROT 14 CLUB 36 20 T-17 2-3 5-6 BRONZE TPV 13 ZULU 13 OPEN 24 18 24 0-5 3-10 COPPER TPV 13 YANKEE 13 PREMIER 24 24 23 1-4 2-8 COPPER TPV 12 EAGLES 12 PREMIER 16 7 T-7 2-3 4-7 GOLD
  4. Apostle

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    # of Teams Ranked Nationally (3/5/2019) #1 - #101 - #201 Total Club (Region) #100 #200 #300 Teams 1) K2 (East) 5 0 2 7 2) TN Performance (Middle) 3 2 1 6 3) Alliance (Middle) 1 2 2 5 4) Memphis Metro (West) 1 1 3 5 5) Mid TN (Middle) 2 1 1 4 6) A5 Chatt (East) 2 0 2 4 7) Memphis VBA (West) 1 1 0 2 8) Ethos (Middle) 1 0 0 1 9) C2 Attack (Middle) 0 1 0 1 10) Phoenix Rising (East) 0 0 1 1
  5. Apostle

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    Coach, the presentation is just a “snapshot” of the raw data as of a very early date about 1/3rd way through the season - it does seem to support the notion of volleyball strength in middle and east TN however. arguably, K2 remains the top Club in TN as they have been at most age groups for several years. Their tournament schedule and Club performance is noteworthy. Their top 16’s and 17’s teams are “off” this season with several players in those age groups playing up one or more age groups I’m told. I would say middle TN volleyball is as strong as ever. As you and others have noted, TN Performance gained 15 top players from Alliance (12) and Mid TN (3). That has affected the 16’s and 18’s age groups for those three clubs. Early March seems to signal the 2nd wave of good out of town tournaments and these early rankings will prove to have the least meaning (to me, anyway). In another 45 days, the Club rankings will likely settle a little – don’t read too much into them just yet.
  6. Apostle

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    Looks like a good weekend for TN teams participating in the 2019 Ultra Ankle Bluegrass Tournament: CLUB Teams by Division Total Open Premier Club Classic Girls TN Performance 19 6 7 5 1 0 K2 15 7 1 6 0 1 Memphis Metro 11 2 4 4 1 0 Alliance 8 1 3 4 0 0 Mid TN 8 1 2 5 0 0 Ethos 4 0 4 0 0 0 Memphis Juniors 3 2 0 1 0 0
  7. Apostle

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    # of Teams Ranked Nationally (2/26/2019) #1 - #101 - #201 Total Club (Region) #100 #200 #300 Teams 1) K2 (East) 5 0 2 7 2) TN Performance (Middle) 3 2 1 6 3) Mid TN (Middle) 3 0 1 4 4) Alliance (Middle) 1 1 2 4 5) Memphis Metro (West) 0 2 1 3 6) A5 Chatt (East) 0 2 1 3 7) Memphis VBA (West) 1 1 0 2 8) Ethos (Middle) 1 0 0 1 9) C2 Attack (Middle) 0 1 0 1 10) Phoenix Rising (East) 0 0 1 1
  8. Tennessee High school volleyball is strongest in middle and east TN - true? Well, based on the number of State Championships each region has won across all TSSAA classifications over the past several decades, the answer is yes. Feeding those successful high school programs are long-time and recently formed Volleyball clubs. During Club season, head-to-head match-ups often provide bragging rights among competitors who resume their volleyball rivalry during high school season play. This thread is established for folks to offer opinions (positive and informative hopefully) about their Club and individual teams at various ages. It's expected that folks will see this and provide constructive information about a Club or team they follow. AES and PrepVolleyball.com offer different ranking systems, but for the sake of discussion, this thread will use the imperfect AES rankings which weights “wins” above “strength of competition” early in the season. As the season plays out, the rankings do provide a better relative strength of all teams. Through the first 6 weeks of 2019, several match-ups between Club rivals have occurred with more expected at upcoming highly competitive tournaments. This first post takes a look at which Clubs across the State have highly rated teams per the AES rankings for 2.19.2019. I will update these Club rankings every 4 to 6 weeks throughout the season and will appreciate any feedback. # of # of # of Teams Teams Teams Ranked Ranked Ranked Nationally Nationally Nationally Total Club Location Region (#1 - #100) (#101 - #200) (#201 - #300) Teams 1) K2 Knoxville East 5 0 2 7 2) TN Performance Franklin Middle 3 2 1 6 3) Mid TN Murfreesboro Middle 2 2 1 5 4) Alliance Franklin Middle 0 3 2 5 5) Mem Metro Memphis West 1 2 1 4 6) Memphis VBA Memphis West 1 1 0 2 7) A5 Chatt Chattanooga East 0 2 0 2 8) C2 Attack Hendersonville Middle 0 1 1 2 9) Ethos Nashville Middle 1 0 0 1
  9. Apostle

    New club team

    With 2-3 tournaments having been played, observers are watching the "up and down" of early season Club volleyball while teams are refining their lineup combinations. AES reflects that several teams experienced good results at last weekend's MEPL. TN team results: 15's: Alliance 15-1 REN (4-1) and K2 15-1 Adidas Fly Girls c(4-1) came out strong. 16's: Alliance 16-1 REN (5-0) had a good weekend while TPV 16 Alpha (3-2) looks to improve at MEPL weekend #2. 17's: Alliance 17-1 REN (3-2 / 2-3), 17-2 Molten (1-4 / 2-3) , K2 17 Adidas (3-2 / 2-3). Alliance 17-1 REN already owns two wins over the K2 17 Adidas team this season. 18's: K2 18 Jota (4-1 / 5-0) continues to show strength and has shot up the AES rankings (#8). Alliance 18 REN (4-1 / 1-4), TPV Bravo (2-3 / 5-0) and Paragon (3-2 / 3-2) all have lost to K2 18 Jota this season. Mideast Power League 15-16 Division MEPL Results (1 of 4 Weekends Played) Alliance 15 REN (15-1) 4 1 Alliance 15 Molten (15-2) 2 3 K2 15 Adidas Fly Girls (15-1) 4 1 K2 15 Nicole (15-2) 0 5 Alliance 16 REN (16-1) 5 0 Alliance 16 Molten (16-2) 2 3 Ethos 16 Adidas Elite (16-1) 2 3 K2 16 Adidas Derek (16-1) 3 2 K2 16 AO (16-2) 3 2 TPV 16 - Alpha (16-1) 3 2 17-18 Division MEPL Results (2 of 4 Weekends Played) Alliance 17 REN (17-1) 5 5 Alliance 17 Molten (17-2) 3 7 K2 17 Adidas Dan (17-1) 3 7 Alliance 18 REN (18-1) 5 5 Ethos 18 Adidas Elite (18-1) 5 5 K2 18 Adidas Jota (18-1) 9 1 K2 18 Adidas Andre (18-2) 6 4 TPV 18 - Bravo (18-1) 7 3 TPV 18 - Paragon (18-2) 6 4
  10. Apostle

    New club team

    Central Zone offers an early season chance for a team to compare itself against good “Open level” competition. “Top 2-4” finishing teams in each age division can be competitive in National Championship tournament play – beyond that, probably not. Osage - TPV plays the 3-day JVA World tournament in early April instead of Central Zone. Alliance teams finished within “Shouting Distance” of their original seeds? Out of 6 teams (12-17): 0 exceeded their seeds 1 matched their seed (15's) 5 underperformed their seed (4 out of 5 missed their seed by 5 spots or more) 12's 13's 14's Original Seed 4 4 7 Order of Finish 12 9 16 # of Teams 16 18 18 SUN's Pool Silver Silver Bronze Sat AM - 1-1 0-2 Sat PM - 0-2 0-2 Sat 1-2 - - Sun 1-1 2-0 1-1 Overall 2-3 3-3 1-5 15's 16's 17's Original Seed 19 17 13 Order of Finish 19 24 T-15 # of Teams 27 27 27 SUN's Pool Bronze Copper Silver A Sat AM 0-2 0-2 1-1 Sat PM 2-0 1-1 0-2 Sat - - - Sun 2-0 0-2 1-1 Overall 4-2 1-5 2-4 Osage correctly stated that a good measure of national competitiveness is Gold bracket finishes in larger tournaments like BlueGrass, Triple Crown, Qualifiers and Nationals. And maybe some wins here and there against teams that have Gold bracket finishes. Alliance had close calls with some good teams but not with any of the top placing teams. Looking to redeem this weekend. Mideast Power League (MEPL): This is 1st year participation for both Alliance and TPV in the MEPL Power League (MEPL) - both Clubs likely reassess sending their #1 and #2 teams at the end of year 1. Weekend #1 (only 17's/18's played) Alliance 18-1's 4-1 Alliance 17-1's 3-2 Alliance 17-2's 1-4 TPV 18 Paragon 3-2 TPV 18 Bravo 2-3 Safe travel and good luck to all.
  11. Apostle

    New club team

    Your interpretation is surprising. Most coaches care deeply about teaching the game, trying to put kids in a position to succeed, and in some measure, results or on-court performance. Some coaches, just like players, are more gifted than others at achieving consistently high performance. These coaches and players exhibit accountability, motivation and are often effective communicators. Other coaches offer signals that players do not respond to. It does not make them a bad coach - it may simply mean the "fit" of "coach personality" to "team or player personality" is a work in progress and inconsistent results may happen. How the Coach responds is telling. The best coaches keep teaching and plugging continually trying to find what helps their kids succeed. This year's Coach tandem is excellent. I would bet there is an improvement in the quality of play from the first tournament to the team's second tournament so hang in there and stay positive Clifford!!
  12. Apostle

    New club team

    "The interesting thing about that team last year is that they didn't perform all that good really. I don't think they beat very many, if any, high quality teams" I talked with parents who thought that, in the past several seasons, the team responded to and performed best when their Coach worked hard at putting players in the best position for success and sincerely enjoyed watching the kids' succeed. The team tended to underperform their ability when their Coach did not care about on-court success and lost interest in them when the team did not play well. "Coaching personality" seemed to really matter to this group. Regarding your negative comments and comparisons about certain players, parents disagreed with your opinions.
  13. Apostle

    New club team

    13's - Nobody in the state can touch Alliance's 13's. This team has won several regional tournaments the past couple years and finished 3rd twice last year in large National tournaments. They even won Bluegrass as 11's 16's - TPV will give K2 a serious run here. I disagree with Alliance having a ball control advantage over TPV. Alliance lost to TPV their best hitter, defensive player (Both these girls will play in college power conferences), both setters from their 1 team last year are no longer in the program (the 6'4 setter went to TPV and their 2nd setter decided not to play this year). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Teeter Tot - good insights about other Clubs and their top age group teams! Last season, did Alliance 12-1 play K2 and Mid-TN 12 teams at all? How did those matches turn out? * pgd66 - thank you for the input. Cain, Cherney, Hames, Keeble and Mersman make a good nucleus on the K2 18's. Consensus seems to indicate the 14's/16's/18's will be very strong this coming season. K2 does a great job each year in getting their kids recruited and committed to good programs. 16's: If K2 stayed intact, it may still be K2 / TPV / Alliance in that order as the top 16's team in Tennessee given the division of talent in middle TN between Alliance and TPV. Regarding Alliance and TPV, it appears that: TPV has advantages at 1) libero 2) offensively at pin hitting and 3) setter. Alliance has advantages at 1) middle 2) back row defender depth and 3) "Open" tournament level Coaching. * the top two middles stayed with the Alliance program which will help. * none of TPV's pins or middles were able to successfully play 6 rotations for their teams in Open level competition last season. * TPV's #2 (or #3) DS played on Alliance's #2 team but has not played Open level competition in several years / if K2 hitter-DS indeed joins the team, that could be a big help defensively * TPV setter may end up being recruited as a right side hitter versus a setter - could be the #1 scorer in terms of efficiency on this team. * a well-coached and skilled serving opponent could succeed against TPV - Libero will be heavily counted on for serve-receive / passing / out of system setting. 18's: Alliance and K2 (let the "head to head" contests decide). TT - would you report on this thread about the TPV 16's team and 18's teams from their play at the upcoming training with Munciana - is that this coming weekend or the following weekend?
  14. Apostle

    New club team

    AES has value but Prep Volleyball tends to be accurate when seeding teams in top-level tournaments Consistent GOLD medal bracket participation tends to sort out the top 25 or so teams over time. In 3 and 4 day tournaments, a team can lose several matches yet win the "right" matches at the "right" time, finish with a near .500 tournament record and still win a key match to back-in to the GOLD bracket For the upcoming Club season and with middle TN player movement in mind, the following is simply one person's wild guess about what will happen when "local" and "state-wide" teams tangle 13's - Mid TN, K2 and Alliance will all field very good teams 14's - K2 has a good team at this age group. TPV and Alliance will offer competitive groups as well (I think TPV 13's beat an Alliance 13's team last year) 15's - Memphis VBA may be the best; K2 and Alliance are good 16's - K2 is tops; then TPV (holding an offensive edge over Alliance), then Alliance (with a "ball control" advantage over TPV) 17's - Alliance hands down 18's - Alliance, then TPV Any differing opinions will be appreciated - thanks
  15. Apostle

    New club team

    Teeter Tot and Osage, I agree with what you said in general about A5 and the Atlanta area. Regarding national competitiveness, what measures would be most fair to use? 1) finish within the top 100 in the final season AES rankings? 2) AAU/USAV national tournament finishes? or 3) other measurements? Historically, A5 has 2 or more teams at several age groups that end a season AES ranked within the top 100 nationally. Often, K2 and Alliance will have one team in 2 or more age groups that break into the top 100. One contributor felt TPV might now have enough talent at the 14's, 16's and/or 18's to have a top team in TN. Maybe, maybe not just yet. TPV may not have a team that can finish in the top 100 in the end of season AES national rankings yet. Maybe this is a different thread altogether?
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