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  1. I made contact with some WILLCO and Rutherford County friends and led them to read your posts asking for their feedback. 12AAA graduated a lot of overall talent this past May and early graduation and relocations accounted for some additional losses. WILLCO schools will be looking for younger Club kids to have developed and kids that transferred. Most believe the District from top to bottom will be down this year and the 2nd team depth for those top 3-4 teams has been affected but will replenish. As always, staying away from injury will be important. This may not be 100% accurate, but by position, several schools are looking to replace Seniors and/or starters: Setter (Brentwood, Indy, Page and Summit) Middle (Brentwood, Centennial, Indy, Ravenwood and Summit) Pin - OH and RS (Brentwood, Centennial, Franklin, Page and Ravenwood) Libero (Brentwood, Centennial, Indy, Page, Ravenwood and Summit) DS (Brentwood, Centennial, Indy, Page, Ravenwood and Summit) They felt Brentwood and Ravenwood were the top two followed by Page and Indy. Brentwood will be junior and sophomore led while Ravenwood will have a nice senior/junior blend. Page and Indy have a lot of returning seniors but will be identifying new floor leaders. To your reservation about Brentwood, the setter, libero and OH/DS positions will be filled by top level Club players who all played for highly competitive TPV teams and practiced with and against each other every day. Their chemistry will develop quickly. Ravenwood will look to identify a libero but will be led by their excellent OH in Camille Spencer. Regarding Siegel, it appears they lost a lot of talent (their top OH and LIB) as well and their long-time Coach who moved into the Rutherford County Schools administrative ranks. I think the experience that is returning is good but may be overstated. Their all-state Setter is a real difference maker. Sometimes a new leader/voice can have an immediate impact so time will tell. My guess is that will be more meaningful in 2020 versus this season as she settles in and the players get adjusted. New urgency – if you are a top program as Brentwood, Ravenwood and Siegel are, there’s always urgency. I do agree with TT about approach, downplaying your chances and hoping to surprise at the end once the team jells has produced Ravenwood one State championship runner-up finish and a disappointing Sub-State loss to Station Camp and missing out on the State tournament during what was a tough, injury-riddled season last year. All the while, Brentwood was successful both seasons. Everyone will know soon enough who the top teams are as the season gets kicked off with play-days and early season matches within a couple weeks.
  2. Osage, you asked… “has that core group (last year’s Alliance 15’s kids) ever made the gold bracket at AAU? … AES archives confirmed Clifford’s memory that they had as 14’s. I can’t answer your other question - no two years (or teams in this case) can be fairly compared. IMO, I would offer that this year’s 16U competition was stiffer than the 14U competition was in 2017. I felt Alliance 16 REN received a very tough 1st day draw this year. They went 0-3 Day 1 but 15-20 teams would have been 1-2 or 0-3 playing the teams they played. Seeding the tournament for mid-level teams would be a tough undertaking. TPV Alpha received a #16 seed and finished #20 (or within “shouting distance” of their original seed to borrow from your past opinions). Clifford even stated … this group (TPV 16 Alpha) is way more talented (than Alliance 16 REN) ... I really could not fairly set expectations for the TPV 16 Alpha team. here is always a key match (maybe 2) in every tournament that a team must win to achieve a high finish. The Day 3, (2nd match) was just such a match. Those matches also tell you what you need to upgrade to win that match in the future. Lastly, regarding TT comments, next year’s TPV 18 Alpha team will likely have 3 new players (replacing the LIB and RS) and 1 or 2 positions, that can be upgraded. I’m sure their Coach and Club Director knows the areas which need improvement. TT’s past information about players that may possibly change Clubs has certainly been more right than wrong. I don’t know TT and have no idea who he believes could change Clubs – I presumed he was talking about rising 17’s and 18’s and not just rising 17’s. There would be no correlation between who I thought were legitimate “1” level players on this past season’s16 REN group and who he believes may consider TPV as a playing option. Clearly, TPV 16 Alpha was the best 16U team in Tennessee last season I’m not sure about your “breaking through” comment but do think they can transition to 18U ball with several upgrades. All that said, the Alliance folks have bigger “fish to fry” within their own Club if Clifford hopes that Alliance's leadership pulls their head “out of the sand”. I see Alliance having two 18’s teams next year with rising 17’s and 18’s spread out on each team – they have to change something or they will have 1 good 18 REN team, an average 18 MOLTEN team and average 17 REN team. Just my opinion.
  3. Clifford, “backed in” is your term. I was surprised to learn the match and set record for that group. Top 2 or Top 3 daily pool play finishes are required to reach the Gold bracket. That 2017 Alliance 14 Mizuno tam played well early on and very good on Day 3 advancing to the eight team Gold bracket. That first GOLD bracket match led to a couple kids wilting from the pressure. The first match loss remains the biggest match some have ever played in. As Alliance and that age group knows, those opportunities don’t come along every year. Since that moment, several of those core kids have moved on to play in “big stage” Club matches (AAU National Championships) as well as advanced through to win TSSAA state tournaments more than once. The game slows down allowing them to excel in pressure situations and their mental toughness and leadership continues to help their teams win. So yes, I’ll stand behind my comments those kids played a modest and important role in Alliance’ ag group successes from 11U through 15U. As Osage has said more than once, some kids and parents are just glad to be on a “1’ team. For others, they want to excel at a high level for their team and themselves – there is a difference between the two perspectives and that should be what college coaches discern between when they recruit. Yes Clifford, you could put the TPV Alpha Setter and OH on this year’s Alliance team and they would have won more matches but never finished 20th. This year’s serve-receive difficulties that you pointed out early on and 1.5 to 1.7 passing statistics would have been greatly bolstered by the two top defensive players that changed Clubs. While you and Osage coined the “core group” phrase w/o naming who they were (presumably you were taking a shot at those kids and their families for evaluating their experiences and deciding to change clubs – the acrimony is undeserved but year 1 at TPV seemed to work out pretty well for all those kids – good for them. What’s strange is the hypocrisy - Alliance has benefitted from decent size groups coming over from other Clubs in the past and has often reached out to other Club players – getting some and not others. So, if it chafes you that players left and succeeded, Gold Bond can help with the irritation.
  4. Osage, regarding your “core group” question, those who know the situation understand that it was not really the number of kids (4) that left the 2018 Alliance 15 Mizuno team to play the 2019 Club season for TPV as the majority of players remained with Alliance. Note: Morgan Carter did not play for the 2018 15 Mizuno team nor w/this Alliance age group but usually played up for a year older team with Alliance. (Therefore, she is not included in the 4 player group discussed below. She did play a big role in the TPV 16 Alpha team’s success and was named TPV’s 16U most outstanding player for the season. Clearly, she was a big loss for Alliance). Of the 4 players from that 2018 Alliance 15 Mizuno team that played for TPV, all proved this season to have been the top player at their position while with Alliance. That group represented the mental toughness, winning mindset and leadership that Alliance 16 REN could not find this season. Players at TPV for the 2019 Club season and the age groups they played on an Alliance “1” team: Setter: 3 years (13,14,15) 1 OH: 4 years (12,13,14,15) 1 MH: 3 years (13,14,15) 1 LIB/DS: 5 years (11,12,13,14,15) While at Alliance, the core group was typically a #60-#100 team in final season AES rankings many years. Three of the 4 players along with two players from Mid-TN, a strong OH who moved from K2 and one younger former Alliance player helped TPV Alpha finish their 16U season with an AES National rank of #57 after being Top40 most of the season. They also held a 2-0 “head to head” match record against Alliance 16 REN. Alliance 16 REN dropped to a final rank of #420 after being in the #500’s and #600’s most of the season. The 4th 16U player played up for the TPV 18 Paragon team that won the AAU 18U National Championship. Clifford20 stated, “the (Alliance) 16 (REN) team had maybe 1-2 legit one’s players on it. A very weak team.” I felt they had three (a MH, OH and RS come to mind immediately). Interestingly, AES indicates that while playing for Alliance, this “core group” under discussion did not have a winning match or set record in AAU competition. At the 2017 AAU tournament, this group finished 4-5 but did win the “right matches at the right time” to reach the Gold bracket as 14's but lost 25-14, 25-16 in a very winnable match. A win would have led to a T-3 finish (the highest ever for an Alliance team in AAU competition). With those 4 players at TPV this first season, TPV Alpha finished with both a winning “match” and “set” record in their first AAU tournament together and earned the Club’s first National Championship in its 2nd year of existence. Below is what AES reports from past seasons: # of Match Set Last Day SEASON TEAM Division Place Teams Record Record Division Alliance 2014-15 12-1 Mizuno 12 Open 20 26 6-7 14-15 Red 2015-16 13-1 Mizuno 13 Open 13 24 5-5 12-12 Consolation 2016-17 14-1 Mizuno 14 Open 5 30 4-5 9-10 Gold 2017-18 15-1 Mizuno 15 Open T - 15 45 3-6 9-14 Consolation 2018-19 16-1 REN 16 Open 54 68 5-8 13-16 Amethyst TPV 2018-19 16 Alpha 16 Open T - 19 68 6-4 12-11 Consolation Hope this helps answer your question.
  5. Osage - as an Alliance insider, I understand there is some news coming out soon about the Club and changes for the future. Will those changes be announced during the AAU tournament or after the Club season concludes?
  6. Safe travel for families and coaches from Alliance, TPV and other TN teams playing this and next week. Good luck to everyone!
  7. SPVB 16 Elite was nationally ranked #9 entering the tournament and is now #4 after going undefeated (9-0) and winning the JVA World Tournament. There is a program called AES that can help you find out that information much quicker. How did the Alliance 16-1 REN team end up at Big South (I couldn't find any online results for them)?
  8. Congratulations TT and TPV 16 Alpha - strong weekend!
  9. Yes, AES is imperfect. Not sure what is better other than enough "head to head" results to make a determination. Phoenix Rising is an east TN Club out of Lenoir City (south of Knoxville). Kind of MidTN in size with that one 17's team being the highest ranked. I have not checked the competition they have played. They do host a high school tournament each year that has good competition. Regarding Open-level competitive, you are right about those three teams that can earn winning records or Gold bracket finishes in major tournaments. Two good tournaments this weekend - Big South in ATL, GA and JVA World in LOUISVILLE, KY to watch. Concord Christian is a small private school stocked with K2 talent - finished State runner-up in 2018. Started 4 freshmen and could overtake Knox Webb soon. It is located either in Farragut or just south of Farragut. Osage - as the original thread was about Club teams feeding high school programs, I would like to expand my list of "Top 5" teams to "Top 10" teams for the 15-18 school age group. Please see below. 2019 4/2 15's (3,523 Teams) AES 1 K2 15 Adidas Fly Girls (15-1) 99 2 A5 Chatt 15 Juliana 110 3 Mem Metro 15 Elite Black (15-1) 178 4 Alliance 15 REN (15-1) 377 5 MJVA 15 Trouy 395 6 C2Attack 15 E-Smack 556 7 Alliance 15 Molten (15-2) 623 8 TPV 15-Alpha 716 9 Ethos 15 Black 785 10 Alliance 15 Regional Black (15-4) 888 16's (3,606 Teams) AES 1 TPV 16-Alpha 59 2 A5 Chatt 16 Duane 98 3 MJVA 16 Anderton 275 4 Alliance 16 Airborne (Lebanon, TN) 447 5 TPV 16-Liberty 460 6 K2 16-2 AO 466 7 Alliance 16 REN (16-1) 504 8 C2Attack 16 S-Smack 513 9 Mem Metro 16 Elite Black (16-1) 520 10 Memphis VB Academy 16 Red (16-1) 629 17's (2,279 Teams) AES 1 Phoenix Rising 17 Brian (17-1) 221 2 Alliance 17 REN (17-1) 241 3 Mid TN 17-1 249 4 A5 Chatt 17 Nancy (17-1) 254 5 MJVA 17 Anderton 267 6 K2 17 Adidas (17-1) 661 7 C2Attack 17 S-Smack (17-1) 763 8 Alliance 17 Molten (17-2) 803 9 Alliance 17 Premier (17-3) 1076 10 Clarksville VBC 17 Smack (17-1) 1223 18's (1,905 Teams) AES 1 K2 18 Adidas JOTA (18-1) 39 2 Mid TN 18-1 149 3 TPV 18-Bravo (18-1) 292 4 TPV 18-Paragon (18-2) 338 5 Alliance 18 REN (18-1) 360 6 Alliance 18 Molten (18-2) 377 7 K2 18 Adidas Andre (18-2) 395 8 Ethos 18 Adidas Elite (18-1) 553 9 TPV 18-Prodigy (18-3) 588 10 Phoenix Rising 18 Doug 921 2 4/2 15's (3,523 Teams) AES 1 K2 15 Adidas Fly Girls (15-1) 99 2 A5 Chatt 15 Juliana 110 3 Mem Metro 15 Elite Black (15-1) 178 4 Alliance 15 REN (15-1) 377 5 MJVA 15 Trouy 395 6 C2Attack 15 E-Smack 556 7 Alliance 15 Molten (15-2) 623 8 TPV 15-Alpha 716 9 Ethos 15 Black 785 10 Alliance 15 Regional Black (15-4) 888 16's (3,606 Teams) AES 1 TPV 16-Alpha 59 2 A5 Chatt 16 Duane 98 3 MJVA 16 Anderton 275 4 Alliance 16 Airborne (Lebanon, TN) 447 5 TPV 16-Liberty 460 6 K2 16-2 AO 466 7 Alliance 16 REN (16-1) 504 8 C2Attack 16 S-Smack 513 9 Mem Metro 16 Elite Black (16-1) 520 10 Memphis VB Academy 16 Red (16-1) 629 17's (2,279 Teams) AES 1 Phoenix Rising 17 Brian (17-1) 221 2 Alliance 17 REN (17-1) 241 3 Mid TN 17-1 249 4 A5 Chatt 17 Nancy (17-1) 254 5 MJVA 17 Anderton 267 6 K2 17 Adidas (17-1) 661 7 C2Attack 17 S-Smack (17-1) 763 8 Alliance 17 Molten (17-2) 803 9 Alliance 17 Premier (17-3) 1076 10 Clarksville VBC 17 Smack (17-1) 1223 18's (1,905 Teams) AES 1 K2 18 Adidas JOTA (18-1) 39 2 Mid TN 18-1 149 3 TPV 18-Bravo (18-1) 292 4 TPV 18-Paragon (18-2) 338 5 Alliance 18 REN (18-1) 360 6 Alliance 18 Molten (18-2) 377 7 K2 18 Adidas Andre (18-2) 395 8 Ethos 18 Adidas Elite (18-1) 553 9 TPV 18-Prodigy (18-3) 588 10 Phoenix Rising 18 Doug 921
  10. I need to apologize for missing a proud west TN Club (Memphis Jrs Volleyball Association - MJVA) that would have been ranked among these listings all 2019 Club season had I been sharp. # of Teams Ranked Nationally (4/2/2019) #1 - #101 - #201 Total Club (Region) #100 #200 #300 Teams 1) K2 (East) 3 2 0 5 2) TN Performance (Middle) 2 1 2 5 3) A5 Chatt (East) 2 1 2 5 4) Mid TN (Middle) 1 2 2 5 5) Memphis Metro (West) 2 1 0 3 6) Alliance (Middle) 1 0 2 3 7) Memphis Jrs (West) 0 0 3 3 8) Memphis VBA (West) 1 1 0 2 9) Ethos (Middle) 0 1 0 1 10) C2 Attack (Middle) 0 1 0 1 11) Phoenix Rising (East) 0 0 1 1 "Top 5" TN Teams (as of 4.2.19) 12's (2,033 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Mem Metro 12 Elite Black (12-1) 90 A5 Chatt 12 Dan (12-1) 96 Memphis VB Academy 12 Red 105 Ethos 12 Black (12-1) 125 K2 Adidas Deidre (12-1) 140 13's (2,635 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Mid TN 13-1 13 Memphis VBAcademy 13 Red (13-1) 51 Mem Metro 13 Elite Black 87 Alliance 13 REN (13-1) 89 K2 Adidas Brent (13-1) 121 14's (4,121 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 14 Adidas Chris (14-1) 73 TPV 14 Zulu 90 TPV 14 Yankee 118 Alliance 14 REN (14-1) 240 Mem Metro 14 Elite Black (14-1) 310 15's (3,523 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 15 Adidas Fly Girls (15-1) 99 A5 Chatt 15 Juliana 110 Mem Metro 15 Elite Black (15-1) 178 Alliance 15 REN (15-1) 377 MJVA 15 Trouy 395 16's (3,606 Teams Ranked) AES Rank TPV 16-Alpha 59 A5 Chatt 16 Duane 98 MJVA 16 Anderton 275 Alliance 16 Airborne (Lebanon, TN) 447 TPV 16-Liberty 460 17's (2,279 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Phoenix Rising 17 Brian (17-1) 221 Alliance 17 REN (17-1) 241 Mid TN 17-1 249 A5 Chatt 17 Nancy (17-1) 254 MJVA 17 Anderton 267 18's (1,905 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 18 Adidas JOTA (18-1) 39 Mid TN 18-1 149 TPV 18-Bravo (18-1) 292 TPV 18-Paragon (18-2) 338 Alliance 18 REN (18-1) 360
  11. TT, I’m not willing to wager (just my opinion), but I feel that there will be fewer upper level older players move next year than did for this season. The 17’s and 18’s are the strength of the Alliance Club and are aging out soon enough (I’m sure they would have loved to have had another option several years ago though). Now in the 13’s-16’s. maybe, just not sure yet. But I do think TPV has captured the “hearts and minds” of the middle school age player and will likely earn their family’s business. I agree the top-level girls need to be in the same club/team to compete Nationally – Alliance had that all to themselves for years and regularly “missed the boat”. There may be enough area talent in a few age groups to occasionally have a “top 10” finish in a National tournament every 3-5 years but probably not sustain that year after year. But, as Osage, Summary Judgment and Clifford have stated, we haven’t had the upper level training or “in-game” coaching (perhaps TPV will prove that different) for consistent Top 10 finishes. Placing “non-competitive” game coaches and/or the politics of playing a lineup that does not provide the best chance to win has hindered these opportunities several times. Kudos to last year’s Alliance 18’s National Championship in CALIF (even if it was not an Open division – they beat everyone put in front of them)! And, that team was coached by their top Coach and now Club Director - she demands the best from her players.
  12. 400+ posts over 14 yrs is a lot of opportunities. Prior to the NEW CLUB TEAM thread, your TSSAA tournament updates and middle TN vball opinions were informative, interesting and positive – appreciated. Since then, your player aging into peak Club vball years and over the past 6 mos with the Club/player changes, you are now a different type of “Clifford cat”. Details and a little household bias “out” you but there's no need to inform the world even if your status as a “used to be” Alliance parent still isn’t quite 100% accurate - volleyball is a small universe. You are not “100% wrong about everything”, but around the Mendoza line regarding being right. Your lack of Club volleyball politics knowledge must be blissful and has you in a world that quite a few folks would love to live in. And re: your March 20th post, yes, some of “the people you spoke with were probably just being kind”.
  13. "Top 5" TN Teams (as of 3.26.19) 12's (2,010 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Mem Metro 12 Elite Black (12-1) 88 A5 Chatt 12 Dan (12-1) 99 Memphis VBAcademy 12 Red (13-1) 104 Ethos 12 Black (12-1) 126 C2Attack 12 Smack (12-2) 176 13's (2,610 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Mid TN 13-1 12 Memphis VBAcademy 13 Red (13-1) 47 Mem Metro 13 Elite Black 80 Alliance 13 REN (13-1) 85 K2 Adidas Brent (13-1) 114 14's (4,063 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 14 Adidas Chris (14-1) 75 TPV 14 Zulu 87 TPV 14 Yankee 117 Alliance 14 REN (14-1) 231 Mem Metro 14 Elite Black (14-1) 298 15's (3,486 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 15 Adidas Fly Girls (15-1) 100 Mem Metro 15 Elite Black (15-1) 169 A5 Chatt 15 Juliana 181 Alliance 15 REN (15-1) 378 C2Attack 15 E-Smack 538 16's (3,566 Teams Ranked) AES Rank TPV 16-Alpha 88 A5 Chatt 16 Duane 90 Alliance 16 Airborne (Lebanon, TN) 447 K2 16-2 AO 460 Alliance 16 REN (16-1) 510 17's (2,257 Teams Ranked) AES Rank Phoenix Rising 17 Brian (17-1) 218 Mid TN 17-1 244 A5 Chatt 17 Nancy (17-1) 251 Alliance 17 REN (17-1) 254 K2 17 Adidas (17-1) 650 18's (1,886 Teams Ranked) AES Rank K2 18 Adidas JOTA (18-1) 37 Mid TN 18-1 146 TPV 18-Bravo (18-1) 296 Alliance 18 REN (18-1) 359 Alliance 18 MOLTEN (18-2) 376
  14. # of Teams Ranked Nationally (3/26/2019) #1 - #101 - #201 Total Club (Region) #100 #200 #300 Teams 1) K2 (East) 3 2 0 5 2) TN Performance (Middle) 2 1 2 5 3) A5 Chatt (East) 2 1 2 5 4) Mid TN (Middle) 1 2 2 5 5) Memphis Metro (West) 2 1 1 4 6) Alliance (Middle) 1 0 2 3 7) Memphis VBA (West) 1 1 0 2 8) Ethos (Middle) 0 1 0 1 9) C2 Attack (Middle) 0 1 0 1 10) Phoenix Rising (East) 0 0 1 1
  15. The MIDTN'13's are not happy about the lack of competition their Club has put them in. That team is 40-4 this season, has been ranked between #6 to #13 nationally all year and wants to play serious competition to find out where they stand. At BlueGrass in early March, MIDTN signed them up to play in 13 Premier (not 13 Open) which they won. That is an age group that TPV could pick up and be instantly credible with as well. Regarding the question about the older age groups, several folks have commented on that topic in your New Club thread. We know TN is not a "deep talent" state. I think when the recruiting of top athletes starts at 15U and older, teams play less to win and more to play kids that have coaches coming to watch and recruit. That hurts their rankings as they drop matches they could win if the recruiting was not the primary factor. Also, the MIDTN 17's and 18's have decent AES ranks but they win in less competitive divisions which is the weakness of the AES ranking system.
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