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  1. 1- Henry ran off the best coach to ever grace Soddy Daisy and the man behind their success in the 2000s, and they have not been successful since he moved to an administrative role (48th place at the state this year with 17 team points.) It takes a whole lot more than sitting in an office and wanting to be good. 2- Swimming is not a TSSAA sanctioned sport which means it is not subject to the rules I mentioned before which affect the sport we are actually talking about. Due to them not being under these rules they compete for a Prep National Title every year. (Similar to Hamilton Heights in Basketball) 3- I am pretty certain every school in the SE lowers its standards for the cash cow that is Highschool Football. That is a completely different discussion that should be had on its own board. We are talking about wrestling on this one. 4- There are quality wrestlers who would contribute that are turned away from Baylor every year because they cannot attend and be eligible to compete for the price their parents would like to pay.
  2. What part about Baylor not having an elementary school to create said feeder club with kids guaranteed to attend the highschool do you not understand? This was completely skipped over in over in @Rasslinking 's reply to my last post as well. Where do you suppose Baylor find 14 kids willing to pay to attend the most expensive middle and highschool in the state? Keep in mind with all the "recruiting" talk, per TSSAA if an athlete receives more financial aid to attend a private school than they qualify for they are ineligible to compete in TSSAA sports. McCallie is in the same position. Great kids wanna be around other great kids, that is why people move to Chattanooga and Cleveland. They want to be surrounded with like minded folks who have similar goals. Because of this the families and kids make great sacrifices to put themselves in what they see as the best position for themselves. If Baylor could truly recruit in the capacity that you guys like to pretend they can things would be significantly more lopsided. They would not lose kids due to financial or academic reasons. As @durdon has mentioned before Baylor or Mccallie could start a youth team that travels and competes like minion does then allow all elite wrestlers in said club into their school for free and simply remove themselves from TSSAA like Hamilton Heights has done in Basketball. This would almost guarantee that all the tough wrestlers within an hour of Chattanooga attended said school, so be careful what you wish for.
  3. You speak a lot about being around to see all things TN wrestling, but somehow don’t recall the Red Raider wrestling club winning the kids state consistently during Mike Sutherland’s time? At the same time you fail to acknowledge the talent that trained in that room. The last time I heard someone ask Mike how many highschool state champs came out of the club he replied “I’m not sure.” That’s how many there have been. The thing about kids clubs at Baylor and McCallie is that they actually help the rest of the schools in Chattanooga as much if not more than they do their own programs. Wanna know why? Because Baylor and Mccallie ,News Flash, don’t have elementary schools and not every kid in those clubs goes on to attend the respective school due to several reasons. The reason Baylor and Mccallie dominate Chattanooga wrestling is because their administration prioritizes the sport. There was a time when the administration at Soddy cared about wrestling and combining that with years of hard work by some great coaches, they were able to compete just as Cleveland and Bradley have been able to. If you wanna be great, build a continuous culture over decades and reap the benefits. So cry all you want about private this, advantage that. No one really cares, work harder.
  4. 106- Nick Corday D2- The most dominant 106 this year. One sided matches with Ethan Wilson and Caleb Urochuck 113- Jackson Bond D2- I believe him and boarders would be competitive. Bond wrestled a higher level of competition with Baylor's schedule this year. I see him getting a close win over boarders. 120- Daniel Urochuck A-AA- All three champs this year are hammers. I give the nod to the oldest of the 3 here, but that would be a very competitive round robin. 126- Trae McDaniel AAA- Trae and Emory would be an interesting match, gotta give the edge to Trae because of his national success. If Trae and Emory were not such hammers, I would be tempted to put Robin Yunis here. 132- Noah Horst D2- 4 time champ, senior, strong favorite. 138- Garrison Dendy D2- Dendy won a close one last time he wrestled Isbell. IMO it would not be as close this year. Dendy one of the best wrestlers in TN. 145- Kodiak Cannedy A-AA- Cannedy has a close win over Hurst this season. I give him a slight edge over Anthony. I would like to see that match though. 152- Garret Bowers D2- Mason smith is tough, but have to go with Bowers here. 160- Alex Whitworth D2- 4 time champ, dominant finals performance against a tough freshman. 170- Gavin Kagle D2 Tough 2x Champ 182- Connor Duffy D2- I would love to see him and Brooks, but gotta give the edge to Duffy. (two losses this year, both to top 10 guys in the country. 195- David Harper D2- Harper beat Peterson (twice) who beat Feldhacker this year. 220- Al Wooten D2- Would love to see Davis vs Wooten. Wooten is a huge/strong senior. 285- Skylar Coffee AAA- IMO Coffee has too much horse power for the younger stud Howard.
  5. Is Father Ryan rebuilding? I would say they are closer to the beginning of a rebuild than the middle.
  6. I have got to agree with Observer here, c'mon man give Em some cred. He is better than Aiden, 12 points better based on their last match. Durdon, this is the exact reason you can not only use national results and have to add in some common sense. Every national tournament bracket is unique and should be weighted differently. Skylar and Howard are great wrestlers, but HWT just has an asterisk next to it in my eyes. Do you really think that Coffee and Howard are better at wrestling than Garrison Dendy? Garrison lost two matches last season, one to Braden Palmer, who at worst is tied for P4P number 1 with Reiniche last year, and the other to Shane Van Ness, the best 132 in the country. I will agree that Kagle probably deserves a spot on the list based on results. I just have not personally watched him wrestle enough to have a strong opinion. Garrison would be 3rd if we had kept studs Chittum and Flynn around; I bet they would've looked good in red. Here is my updated list. Thanks for the input everyone. 1) GARRISON DENDY- SOPHOMORE 138 (RANKED 19TH BY FLO, WITH WINS OVER THE 4TH AND 5TH RANKED GUYS THIS PRESEASON) 2) HORST- SENIOR 132 (CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF HE'S EVER LOST A MATCH TO ANOTHER TENNESSEE KID?) HOPE TO SEE HIM AND ISBELL THIS YEAR. 3) TREY MCDANIEL- JUNIOR 113 (CONSISTENT NATIONAL RESULTS) 4) SKYLAR COFFEE- SENIOR HWT (RANKED 7TH BY FLO) I HOPE HIM AND HOWARD COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER SOMETIME THIS SEASON. 5) JAMES HOWARD- SOPHOMORE HWT (DOUBLE FARGO ALL AMERICAN IN CADETS THIS SUMMER) I GIVE THE EDGE TO COFFEE ON A WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY BASIS. 6) DAVID HARPER- SOPHOMORE 195 (FREAKY ATHLETIC UNDERCLASSMAN) 7) Gavin Kagle- JUNIOR 170 (BETTER THAN WHITWORTH AT WRESTLING *ACCORDING TO DURDON*) 8)ALEX WHITWORTH- JUNIOR 160 (ON THE ROAD TO 5 TITLES) 9) GARRET BOWERS- SENIOR 138 (SOME SOLID NATIONAL PLACING, NOT MANY BIG WINS) 10) Ashton Davis- Sophomore 195 (FARGO ALL AMERICAN AND ATHLETIC UNDERCLASSMAN BIG GUY)
  7. I think my list looked very similar to this at some point when I was making it. I moved guys around a ton before posting. I agree that Mcdaniel and Horst are extremely tough to choose between. I gave Horst, Mcdaniel, Whitworth, and Harper the nod over Skylar just based on wrestling IQ having watched a good bit of all their matches. Thanks for the input!
  8. 1) GARRISON DENDY- SOPHOMORE 138 (RANKED 19TH BY FLO, WITH WINS OVER THE 4TH AND 5TH RANKED GUYS THIS PRESEASON) 2) HORST- SENIOR 132 (CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF HE'S EVER LOST A MATCH TO ANOTHER TENNESSEE KID?) HOPE TO SEE HIM AND ISBELL THIS YEAR. 3) TREY MCDANIEL- JUNIOR 113 (CONSISTENT NATIONAL RESULTS) 4)ALEX WHITWORTH- JUNIOR 160 (ON THE ROAD TO 5 TITLES) 5) DAVID HARPER- SOPHOMORE 195 (FREAKY ATHLETIC UNDERCLASSMAN) 6) SKYLAR COFFEE- SENIOR HWT (RANKED 7TH BY FLO) I HOPE HIM AND HOWARD COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER SOMETIME THIS SEASON. 7) JAMES HOWARD- SOPHOMORE HWT (DOUBLE FARGO ALL AMERICAN IN CADETS THIS SUMMER) I GIVE THE EDGE TO COFFEE ON A WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY BASIS. 8) CHRISTIAN ISBELL-SENIOR 132 (TOUGH SENIOR) HONORABLE MENTION NO ORDER JACKSON BOND (10) BAYLOR TREY BATES (11) BEECH GARRET BOWERS (12) CBHS CONNOR DUFFY (12) BAYLOR BROOKS SACHARCZYK (12) BLACKMAN HUNTER MASON (9) GREENVILLE - IN MY OPINION THE TOUGHEST KID IN THE FRESHMAN CLASS. I BELIEVE HE WILL BE HIGHSCHOOL READY IMMEDIATELY AND POTENTIALLY THE BEST WRESTLER IN A-AA THIS YEAR. My main criteria are who I believe would actually win a match at the same weight class, and strength of wins/national placement. Thoughts?
  9. You are referring to 2012. Michael Murphy placed 2nd at 100 lbs and Ryan Parker won the 157 lb weight class. They were both 8th graders that year.
  10. Baylor had three placers in the elite division at the GFC, a very tough tournament in Lansing Michigan. 7th Place - Noah Horst of Baylor 132 3rd Place - Garrison Dendy of Baylor 140 2nd Place - David Harper of Baylor 189
  11. We also have 4 wrestlers on the 2022 big board. 28th James Howard (Mccallie) 70th David Harper (Baylor) 90th Garrison Dendy (Baylor) 94th Porter Faulk (Baylor) I believe David Harper and Garrison Dendy would be much higher had they competed in Freshman nationals last year. Also I do not believe Hunter Mason could make 113. I would expect to see him at 126 or maybe 120 this year. It would be interesting to the see him and Trey Bates compete in division 1 this year, if they were at the same weight.
  12. Great info, will update as more comes in. Definitely need to put Howard up in that number 1 spot at hwt. That being said Ryan Jackson will be a tough test for him. Emory going to be at 26? Also Whitworth at 60 means cagle at 170?
  13. D2 Preseason Rankings Obviously it is very unclear what weight these guys will compete at this coming season. Here is my best guess for each weight class. Jackson Bond of Baylor is one in particular that I am curious to see what weight he chooses as he was a very large 106 last year. McCallie has a bit of a log jam with Braman, Morris, and Taylor. I believe Taylor will force Morris up to 32 as Horst is a terrible matchup for him. If Garrett Bowers does return to 138 I look forward to a match or two with him and Dendy. Jacorey Miller, if he returns to 145, will definitely be the favorite to win. I would expect Whitworth to stay at 152 in order to leave room for the addition of Cagle to McCallie's lineup. at 182, given they are both there Connor Duffy and Parker Peterson should be a very exciting series of matches to follow this season as Baylor sees Father Ryan multiple times most years. If you have any info on what weights these guys may end up at please reply. 103 1) Nick Corday (Bay) 2) Keyveon Roller (CAK) 113 1) Dayne Dalrymple (CBHS) 2) Brooks McAfee (FRHS) 3) Kade Hartline (Bay) 120 1) Jack Braman (Mcc) 2) Jackson Bond (Bay) 3) Calvin Eason (FR) 126 1) Emory Taylor (Mcc) 2) Aiden Bowers (CBHS) 3) Thomas Wesnofske (FR) 4) Micah Tisdale (Bay) 132 1) Noah Horst (Bay) 2) Evan Anthony (CBHS) 3) Christian Morris (Mcc) 4) Sean Pitts (FR) 138 1) Garrison Dendy (Bay) 2) Garrett Bowers (CBHS) 3) Zachary Ward (Mcc) 145 1) Jacorey Miller (FR) 2) Anthony Manella (Bay) 152 1) Alex Whitworth (Mcc) 2) Lawrence Madson (FR) 160 1) Gavin Cagle (Mcc) 2) Omaury Alverez (Bay) 170 1) Porter Faulk (Bay) 2) Russel Barry (Mcc) 182 1) Connor Duffy (Bay) 2) Parker Peterson (FR) 3) Theo Sewell (CBHS) 195 1) David Harper (Bay) 2) Chase Looper (Mcc) 220 1) Al Wooten (CBHS) HWT 1) Ryan Jackson (Freindship Christian)
  14. Amazing thread, I did not go through the whole thing, but one thing is still true from the first page. Shane Turner is still one of the Gold Standard for coaching in TN. The Baylor School is incredibly lucky to have them. They really have an all star staff at this time. I would love to see Shane utilized by whoever takes over the chairman position for USA wrestling in this state (Fingers crossed Mike Hatcher is interested).
  15. The schools in the best states compete against private schools with similar situations to what you are describing. I think Baylor potentially making a jump to the next level is one of the best things that could happen to Tennessee wrestling. Cleveland is well on their way to getting over that hump as well. We must continue to seek out progress in order to catch the states that are ahead of us. With the sport changing so much in the country now is the time for us to embrace change and make a jump as a state. With the economic and population growth in Nashville and Murfreesboro those schools will benefit from wrestling clubs that I believe will start popping up, like what has happened in Atlanta and the impact its had on Georgia wrestling. FR will always find a way to compete. On the note of where they may be nationally ranked, I agree with barbwire to an extent. It is going to be difficult to break the top 25, but they should be making their way into the top 50 for sure. Where they fall will definitely depend on their schedule. Cleveland was right inside the top 50 last year and if Baylor can crack into it this year it will be great for Tennessee wrestling.
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