New Top Ten at season's end

[rollredroll]

Considering how the respective seasons turned out, I would say it was a upset-regardless of how BA teams played in the past (which has no bearing on the current season).

 

If not an upset, are you seriously stating that, at the end of the season, 6-4 BA was a better team and would again beat the 14-1, 5A champions?

 

Similarly, how a team will perform in the future, which is an unforeseen quantity at the time a game is played, has no bearing on a game in the present.

Edited December 13, 2005 by rollredroll

[fromthetop2]

. . .and the only way you can qualify wins and losses individually as upsets or not is through the prism of an entire season. Taken as the complete body of work, and looking back on this past season, the BA victory would have to be considered an upset.

Whether or not a school has been playing varsity football for three years or thirty is irrelevant.

[itzme]

. . .and the only way you can qualify wins and losses individually as upsets or not is through the prism of an entire season. Taken as the complete body of work, and looking back on this past season, the BA victory would have to be considered an upset.

Whether or not a school has been playing varsity football for three years or thirty is irrelevant.

Different year, same tune!

 

Why is it that only Divison I teams improve as the year progresses? Better coaching? Better competition?

 

It really doesn't matter whether BA would have beaten Ravenwood at the end of the year. Ravenwood won the 5A State Championship. BA beat them in week one. Those are the only two facts we have to go by.

 

That game was a close game, no doubt. Nobody dominated it. To suggest that Ravenwood was dramatically better at the end of the year than BA is not supported by anything but conjecture. Would BA have beaten Ravenwood at the end of the year? In my opinion, yes...in your opinion, no. Could go either way, however, just like the first one.

[fromthetop2]

I guess they forget to take the chip out of your head when you leave private schooling

 

So to take your argument to it's logical conclusion, if the only game that BA won this year was the first one, they would still be, at the conclusion of the season, ultimately the superior team, mostly because they are either DII or they won the early season game? Because we are talking the merits of "what is considered an upset", aren't we?

How would you categorize your win over McCallie? Or when MBA beat you, would you now ultimately call that an upset? Or did MBA get upset in the first round? I'm getting confused because your train of logic has jumped the tracks.

 

I don't know, maybe the results would be different if Carlton had to play them during the season, rather than having time to get his thoughts together over the summer. You know how much better he gets as the season goes on

[rollredroll]

. . .and the only way you can qualify wins and losses individually as upsets or not is through the prism of an entire season.

 

So why do broadcasters say that a game is an "upset" when commenting on a game in which an upset occurred? They certainly don't say, "(Insert underdog) beat (insert favorite) today, but we'll let you know at the end of the season if this is an upset". Yes, one can retrospectively look at a result and conceivably form a different opinion as to whether an upset occurred, but that's not how things work. The sportsbooks in Vegas and elsewhere aren't retroactively adjusting lines from games played at the beginning of the season based on where teams stand at the end of the season.

 

In the Big Ones contest, 88% of the voters picked BA to beat Ravenwood. I know people pick "upsets" in the B.O. contest, but to the tune of 88%?

[rappy]

So why do broadcasters say that a game is an "upset" when commenting on a game in which an upset occurred? They certainly don't say, "(Insert underdog) beat (insert favorite) today, but we'll let you know at the end of the season if this is an upset". Yes, one can retrospectively look at a result and conceivably form a different opinion as to whether an upset occurred, but that's not how things work. The sportsbooks in Vegas and elsewhere aren't retroactively adjusting lines from games played at the beginning of the season based on where teams stand at the end of the season.

 

In the Big Ones contest, 88% of the voters picked BA to beat Ravenwood. I know people pick "upsets" in the B.O. contest, but to the tune of 88%?

I doubt anybody really new who or what Ravenwood was at the start of the season. BA has a long history. It took the championship game for most high school football fans to know anything about Ravenwood.

 

Base on the belief of not knowing anything about the Ravenwood, I would tend to believe most people would have vote BA. Agree?

 

If BA was not playing in Division II and played a round-robin with Brentwood, Franklin, and Ravenwood, I believe one of these teams would have beaten BA in the last few years. BA of now is not like the BA of old. BA is old history. Look to BA glorious past because there is no future for BA Football in Williamson County. All the area kids want to play against each other. It is leaving BA out of the local market. Players would need to come from Nashville, State of Tennessee, USA, Europe, and places beyond.

[rollredroll]

I doubt anybody really new who or what Ravenwood was at the start of the season. BA has a long history. It took the championship game for most high school football fans to know anything about Ravenwood.

 

Base on the belief of not knowing anything about the Ravenwood, I would tend to believe most people would have vote BA. Agree?

 

Yes, I agree, and that was a point I made a few posts ago. At the time the game was played, BA had never lost to a county rival. Ravenwood was not a 5A state champion (yet) and had 22 all-time games under its belt. Given what Ravenwood had yet to accomplish, and BA's history, versus all schools and Williamson County schools in particular, BA's victory over Ravenwood was not an upset.

[Redtwin]

Considering how the respective seasons turned out, I would say it was a upset-regardless of how BA teams played in the past (which has no bearing on the current season).

 

If not an upset, are you seriously stating that, at the end of the season, 6-4 BA was a better team and would again beat the 14-1, 5A champions?

 

I would absolutely take Brentwood Academy. They have never lost to a Williamson Co. team and had already beaten Ravenwood once. They lost to McCallie, MUS, MBA, and CBHS. I would be willing to put any of those teams up against Ravenwood.

[itzme]

I guess they forget to take the chip out of your head when you leave private schooling

 

So to take your argument to it's logical conclusion, if the only game that BA won this year was the first one, they would still be, at the conclusion of the season, ultimately the superior team, mostly because they are either DII or they won the early season game? Because we are talking the merits of "what is considered an upset", aren't we?

How would you categorize your win over McCallie? Or when MBA beat you, would you now ultimately call that an upset? Or did MBA get upset in the first round? I'm getting confused because your train of logic has jumped the tracks.

 

I don't know, maybe the results would be different if Carlton had to play them during the season, rather than having time to get his thoughts together over the summer. You know how much better he gets as the season goes on

Not really sure why you are apparently attempting to take a shot at the winningest coach in TN high school history, and a good man. I have nothing but respect for Coach Rector and the Raptors.

 

A couple of points:

 

First, I attended public schools my entire academic career, through my undergraduate degree. There is no chip in my head, nor even a metal plate!

 

Second, all I said was that should BA have, theoretically, played Ravenwood at the end of the year, I'd still pick them. You would pick Ravenwood. I also believe it would be another close game, and would not be shocked if Ravenwood won. I made no argument that could be "taken to it's logical conclusion". The only thing taken to it's conclusion was that game played way back when, and yes, I was happy that the Eagles won as I expected them to. I expect them to win next year as well.

 

I was also happy that Ravenwood won their championship. I have many friends with kids at the school.

Edited December 14, 2005 by itzme

[Hkins]

Oak Ridge has beaten Farragut by a combined score of 115-7 over the past 12 months in 3 games. I wouldn't place them in the top 50.

Ole Dad

Well Farragut beat ooltewah 3 times in the last 12 months as well so if farragut isnt in the top 50 ooltewah better not be in the top 51