CRIME COMMITTED AT MOORE COUNTY

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QUOTE(catchpc10 @ Feb 12 2007 - 01:57 PM) 826368832[/snapback]

Ah, now j.c. knows what p.c. goes through basically every night of the season, at least you don't see us getting on here making posts like CRIME COMMITTED AT PICKETT CO. , officials slaughter kids hard work... you'll see us complain, probably more than most, and usually its rightfully so, but we don't come up with crazy new post topics such as this. So no more giving us flack for complaining about the refs, you people are just as bad for your team as we are for ours.

 

 

JC fans only complain when it came down to 28-3 in foul shots.. but the ol ball coach is right.. This game is over and done with.. Time to move on to bigger and better things.. Go Big Blue!

[goo goo cluster]

QUOTE(devilfanatic @ Feb 12 2007 - 11:56 AM) 826368373[/snapback]

Actually we did not play that bad, Moore Co. is a very good team. When they played in the Christmas tournament here, (Mid South Classic) they were without the services of two of their starters do to injury and had Cookeville down 12 at Cookeville so they are a very good team. We made mistakes like every team does and yeah they shot more free throws than we did but thats to be expected when you travel and play on the road. We love the passion of our fans and please don't that this the wrong way but Moore Co. outplayed us, we missed several easy shots and free throws. Yes there was controversy near the end of the game and yes the ref missed the call but hey that happens. No ones perfect so lets just let this thing go and focus on the positives. We won the district when most didn't think that was possible and we've had a great year thus far. So lets focus on the district tournament and put all this passion into cheering the team on and who knows if we play good and get a little lucky along the way we might just get another shot at Moore Co. as i look for them to be in the state tournament. So lets quit complaining about spilt milk and move on to more important things like WINNING THE DISTRICT TOURNAMENT!!

 

 

 

Great post....It's postseason time and all efforts should be placed in the District Tournament right now. Good luck.

[crimsontide43]

Have coached many a game in Moore County have had the same quality of ref (pitiful). Just par for the course in Lynchburg.

[catchpc10]

QUOTE(back_4_more @ Feb 12 2007 - 02:36 PM) 826368899[/snapback]

JC fans only complain when it came down to 28-3 in foul shots.. but the ol ball coach is right.. This game is over and done with.. Time to move on to bigger and better things.. Go Big Blue!

 

 

Yeah I guess p.c. never gets the short end of the stick as bad as jackson co. does. PC has had it just as bad if not worse. I'm not saying jackson didn't get it bad friday night, but we get the short end of the stick more times than not.

[Augielio]

QUOTE(bigwes68 @ Feb 10 2007 - 03:32 PM) 826366422[/snapback] Not all of us are 40 or 50 years old.

MOST of us give our best effort every night.

NONE of us are out to "screw teenagers."

99.9% of us are completely unbiased (of course, the losing team always gets that one official in America that is completely biased against their team).

ALL of us have a bad game from time to time, and none of us are perfect. But then again, neither are the players. No player in the history of basketball has ever hit every shot they ever took. As such, we don't berate your kids when they miss a free throw or turn the ball over.

If officials did not exist, the games would not be played.

 

If there is that big of a difference in foul shooting, then that tells me that one team was being much, much more aggressive than the other. I've called games like that...one team was just simply fouling more than the other. There's no rule anywhere that says the foul count has to be the same for both teams. But if what you said really happened with the intentional fouls, the official telling the coach to "sit down and shut up" and everything else, then that tape should be sent to the state office and let them handle it. That kind of stuff is not acceptable.

 

 

 

 

Afraid your comparison between players making their shots and officials getting all the calls right is an illogical one. Have you ever known a high school player to be paid for his night's work? The same applies to the argument that if there were no officials, you could not play the games. What does that prove. If there were no basketball manufacturers the games couldn't be played, but you expect the basketballs to be made so that they are equally usable by both teams.

 

That said, it is a fact that in a close sporting event (football or basketball), there is more pressure on the officials than on the players. I firmly believe that. The pace of basketball at all levels has increased to such a point that officials are really overtasked in trying to keep up with it--too many big bodies going too fast in too small a space.

 

Supply and demand also is a factor. People don't want to be officials any longer. Too much guff to tolerate. The result is the high schools have to take what they can get. The barrels are nearly empty and no one has a real plan for improving the officiating. Some say, pay the officials much more, but insist on much stricter training. But how can that work when the total number of officiating applicants is barely adequate for the number of games being played. It is well and good to talk about kicking incompetent officials (and those with some real personal issues) out of the game, but who you gonna replace them with?

[midtnbb]

QUOTE(Augielio @ Feb 12 2007 - 03:44 PM) 826368994[/snapback]

Supply and demand also is a factor. People don't want to be officials any longer. Too much guff to tolerate. The result is the high schools have to take what they can get. The barrels are nearly empty and no one has a real plan for improving the officiating. Some say, pay the officials much more, but insist on much stricter training. But how can that work when the total number of officiating applicants is barely adequate for the number of games being played. It is well and good to talk about kicking incompetent officials (and those with some real personal issues) out of the game, but who you gonna replace them with?

 

 

Maybe go back to using only 2 officials to call the game.

[rvd]

If you complain yes it will hurt you more than it will help. The supervisor for the ref's will say they made the right calls and nothing will be done. A player could be fouled and the Ref's can give him 6 freethrows and the supervisor would say the Ref was right. They protect their own and never say they are wrong. Just look at the Seattle vs Pittsburg Superbowl. That is as big time Ref's as you can get and the supervisor willnot admit they made a mistake.

Most Ref's do a good job but you have a few that are in the buddy system and are awful but they kiss enough butt where they get all the good games and are never told they are wrong.

[66wildcat]

QUOTE(devilfanatic @ Feb 12 2007 - 08:56 AM) 826368373[/snapback]

Actually we did not play that bad, Moore Co. is a very good team. When they played in the Christmas tournament here, (Mid South Classic) they were without the services of two of their starters do to injury and had Cookeville down 12 at Cookeville so they are a very good team. We made mistakes like every team does and yeah they shot more free throws than we did but thats to be expected when you travel and play on the road. We love the passion of our fans and please don't that this the wrong way but Moore Co. outplayed us, we missed several easy shots and free throws. Yes there was controversy near the end of the game and yes the ref missed the call but hey that happens. No ones perfect so lets just let this thing go and focus on the positives. We won the district when most didn't think that was possible and we've had a great year thus far. So lets focus on the district tournament and put all this passion into cheering the team on and who knows if we play good and get a little lucky along the way we might just get another shot at Moore Co. as i look for them to be in the state tournament. So lets quit complaining about spilt milk and move on to more important things like WINNING THE DISTRICT TOURNAMENT!!

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? Is this the Devil that I know getting soft on us? Those pine splinters are getting to your brain, Devil. Tell us how you really feel!

[snooks]

QUOTE(King21 @ Feb 10 2007 - 12:44 PM) 826366239[/snapback]

wow, thats awful, if i was JC i would send the game film to the tssaa for it to be reviewed, and then the refs can be fined and repromanded

 

 

Be careful about reporting refs and game problems to TSSAA. Stone Memorial sent film and filed an official report after the incident at Loudon and they have paid for it ever since. Have'nt won a district game since then and that was on Jan 8th. Stone upset the "brotherhood" of refs and are being treated just like Jackson Co was at Moore Co. Be careful, for once you are marked, it's a hard row to hoe. It's really shameful that refs punish the kids when they take their petty revenge.

[Guest brooks_12]

QUOTE(bleacherbum69 @ Feb 10 2007 - 11:52 AM) 826366199[/snapback]I have been watching basketball for 57 years and i have never witnessed a more blatant act against kids in my entire life that someone didn't get arrested for. I want to start by saying to the fine people of Moore County and their players who showed excellent sportsmanship, that this has nothing to do with them nor is it a knock against them in any way, shape or form. The 3 officials decided the outcome of both games for some reason. Moore Co. shot a combined 53 foul shots to Jackson County's 9. 53-9 ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The boys from Jackson Co. lost by 7 points the girls by 2. Though you might think that was the worst part, however it wasn't. These 3 officials should be BANNED from ever calling another game EVER! Time and again they turned their heads to obvious fouls and turnovers only to call it totally different for the home team. Why is this? Why or how can they be put in this kind of position to do these things to innocent kids that are playing just as hard for their team. Are we all not AMERICANS? DO WE ALL NOT LIVE IN THE SAME STATE? How can these guys be held accountable? I will give you just a small synopsis of the game so you all can understand our frustration. Jackson Co.'s boys missed a shot and Moore Co. had a layup attempt at the other end in which a player from Jackson Co. fouled him on the way up. An intentional foul was called against our player in where they shot two foul shots and got the ball back. Later in the game the same thing ocurred only it was Jackson Co. on a break away layup with District MVP Tyler Cassety going up and being knocked not only out of bounds but into the wall. There was no intentional foul called and it gets better THERE WAS NO FOUL CALLED AT ALL! IT GETS BETTER!! The Coach from Moore Co. called a timeout, keep in mind with Cassety being knocked into the next state on the layup he did not make the shot. Moore Co. then goes to inbound the ball under Jackson Co's basket. Its a two point game at this time with 2:48 on the clock. Jackson Co. picks up in a full court press and denys the inbound the 5 second count is almost up so the player from Moore Co. starts running the baseline and eventually gets the ball inbounds. The coaches from Jackson Co. are sreaming at the refs because this is an obvious violation and a turnover. The ball is tipped out of bounds on the pass by Moore Co. and given BACK TO MOORE CO!!! The coaches from Jackson Co. are telling the refs he had just had a turnover and i promise you i was sitting right behind the scorers table and the ref told the coach and i quote " I TOLD HIM HE COULD RUN THE BASELINE COACH" The coach tells the ref it wasn't a made basket he can't do that the ref said again i quote "SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN COACH" and shook his head as if to say no to Jackson Co. WHY IS THIS KIND OF THING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN? THERE IS NO CALL FOR THIS! Moore Co. has a very good team we take nothing away from them but this game wasn't decided by the players and it was never going to be the refs made that clear from the outset of the game. I JUST WISH TSSAA WOULD DO SOMETHING TO THIS KIND OF REFEREEING. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS CAN BE TURNED INTO TSSAA? WHAT KIND OF ACTIONS CAN BE TAKEN IN THESE SITUATIONS ? We are all Tennesseans and Americans, what happened in Moore Co. was a CRIME!

 

 

 

get your coach or administration to talk to the head of officiating in your area....

our coach did it after a game and he had to like give the guy a few game tapes.......

[Afterlife]

QUOTE(bleacherbum69 @ Feb 10 2007 - 05:09 PM) 826366525[/snapback]I am not one of these fans that sits in the stands and blames the refs for every little mistake, as most of them are out there working their butts off to get the call right every time! I coached for 21 years myself and i know how hard it is to referee a jv game let alone a high school game. Two of the refs we had were not youngsters cutting their teeth, just one of them was. The black gentleman seemed to be the "head" ref of the group in his 50's and the other gentleman also in his late 50's or there about. These guys were just not going to call it no matter what against the home team. The intentional foul on JC's part could have been called just that anytime down the floor as the kid was trying to keep the other from making the shot and when Moore Co. went up for it they called it just that way, however when JC did the same thing in almost an identical situation there was nothing called. The kid went sailing into the wall which does happen on occassion but atleast give the foul. Then to allow the other team not only to go more than 5 seconds on the inbound but to let them run the baseline and have the odacity to tell the coach HE was the one that TOLD him to run the baseline! I have seen ref's make mistakes before and have had a referee come over to me when i was coaching and say "hey i might have missed that one coach" but to look at the coach and tell him to SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP and not even acknowledge the fact that he made a HUGE mistake AGAIN in a critical part of the game is UNACCEPTABLE. No one is perfect by any means but a little consistency is all you can ask for, am i right or am i totally off based here bigwes, utvols1?

 

 

im familiar with the terrible officiating at moore co and pickett co... the "head" ref was giving the shaft to santa fe ... i heard he got pretty upset bout the fans callin him out on his bad calls