Real 2A Playoff Picture

[JohnJohn]

To answer a question. According to TSSAA website the second tie breaker is how many teams you beat with winning records. If that is the case DCA would be seeded higher than Smith Co.

 

Updated Again:

 

I'll keep correcting as long as it takes.

 

R Team W-L

1 Alcoa 9-1

2 Gat Pittman 9-1

3 Cumberland Gap 9-1

4 CAK 8-2

5 Loudon 8-2

6 Happy Valley 5-5

7 Rockwood 6-4

8 Sweetwater 5-5

 

 

Quadrant 2

R Team W-L

1 York Institute 10-0

2 Tyner 6-4

3 DCA 9-1

4 Smith Co. 9-1

5 Boyd Buchanon 5-5

6 Westmoreland 6-4

7 Bledsoe Co 5-5

8 Marion Co. 5-5

 

 

Quadrant 3

R Team W-L

1 Lewis Co 10-0

2 Camden 7-3

3 CPA 7-3

4 Hickman Co. 9-1

5 Goodpasture 8-2

6 Stewart Co. 7-3

7 Fairview 4-6

8 Richland 6-4

 

 

Quadrant 4

R Team W-L

1 Westview 10-0

2 Carver 4-6

3 Milan 8-2

4 Huntingdon 7-3

5 Westwood 3-7

6 Trenton Peabody 7-3

7 Booker T 3-7

8 JCS 7-3

 

 

Games for Week 11:

 

Quadrant 1

Alcoa vs Sweetwater

CAK vs Loudon

 

Gat Pittman vs Rockwood

Cumberland Gap vs Happy Valley

 

 

Quadrant 2

York vs Marion Co.

Smith Co. vs Boyd

 

Tyner vs Bledsoe Co.

DCA vs Westmoreland.

 

 

Quadrant 3

Lewis Co. vs Richland

Hickman vs Goodpasture

 

Camden vs Fairview

CPA vs Stewart Co.

 

 

Qudrant 4

Westview vs JCS

Huntingdon vs Westwood

 

Carver vs Booker T

Milan vs Trenton Peabody

[MCRoadWarrior]

And why is Marion Co in and not Humbolt? If they both win they would be 5-5 and would not Humbolt not get it because of opp. with the most wins.And also if they win and Crockett Co. wins that would give Crockett 5 wins and wouldn't Humbolt get in because of most wins over 50% opp.?

 

 

According to TSSAA.org,

The second tie breaker after record is wins over opp. over 50%

Marion has one win over a team with a record of 50% (Cannon) and if Whitwell wins Friday night they will have two.

 

Humboldt has zero wins against a team with a record of 50% and they play Gibson Friday night who doesn't have a winning record.

[turbo]

To answer a question. According to TSSAA website the second tie breaker is how many teams you beat with winning records. If that is the case DCA would be seeded higher than Smith Co.

 

Updated Again:

 

I'll keep correcting as long as it takes.

 

R Team W-L

1 Alcoa 9-1

2 Gat Pittman 9-1

3 Cumberland Gap 9-1

4 CAK 8-2

5 Loudon 8-2

6 Happy Valley 5-5

7 Rockwood 6-4

8 Sweetwater 5-5

Quadrant 2

R Team W-L

1 York Institute 10-0

2 Tyner 6-4

3 DCA 9-1

4 Smith Co. 9-1

5 Boyd Buchanon 5-5

6 Westmoreland 6-4

7 Bledsoe Co 5-5

8 Marion Co. 5-5

Quadrant 3

R Team W-L

1 Lewis Co 10-0

2 Camden 7-3

3 CPA 7-3

4 Hickman Co. 9-1

5 Goodpasture 8-2

6 Stewart Co. 7-3

7 Fairview 4-6

8 Richland 6-4

Quadrant 4

R Team W-L

1 Westview 10-0

2 Carver 4-6

3 Milan 8-2

4 Huntingdon 7-3

5 Westwood 3-7

6 Trenton Peabody 7-3

7 Booker T 3-7

8 JCS 7-3

Games for Week 11:

 

Quadrant 1

Alcoa vs Sweetwater

CAK vs Loudon

 

Gat Pittman vs Rockwood

Cumberland Gap vs Happy Valley

Quadrant 2

York vs Marion Co.

Smith Co. vs Boyd

 

Tyner vs Bledsoe Co.

DCA vs Westmoreland.

Quadrant 3

Lewis Co. vs Richland

Hickman vs Goodpasture

 

Camden vs Fairview

CPA vs Stewart Co.

Qudrant 4

Westview vs JCS

Huntingdon vs Westwood

 

Carver vs Booker T

Milan vs Trenton Peabody

 

In quadrant 3 you are assuming that Cpa defeats Goodpasture game 10. Correct? Because if they don't, a whole new scenerio takes place in that quadrant.

[JohnJohn]

In quadrant 3 you are assuming that CPA defeats Goodpasture game 10. Correct? Because if they don't, a whole new scenerio takes place in that quadrant.

 

 

 

That's correct. This entire model is based off the teams favored to win this week. CPA is already the region champion and defeated the team that handed Goodpasture it's loss. So by that and the fact that they are currently the number one seed in that region we put them as the region champions.

 

This whole thing can move up or down depending on upsets this week. This model is simply based off of statistical likelihoods.

[OnlineLC]

You are correct in that it changes everything within that quadrant. In that scenario Goodpasture and CPA could meet again in week 1 although I have not gone through the details.

 

In quadrant 3 you are assuming that Cpa defeats Goodpasture game 10. Correct? Because if they don't, a whole new scenerio takes place in that quadrant.

[turbo]

That's correct. This entire model is based off the teams favored to win this week. CPA is already the region champion and defeated the team that handed Goodpasture it's loss. So by that and the fact that they are currently the number one seed in that region we put them as the region championship.

 

This whole thing can move up or down depending on upsets this week. This model is simply based off of statistical likelihoods.

 

Thanks, great job by the way. Quadrant 3 is very interesting. There are a lot of if's ands or buts that will determine final pairings. I see GP defeating CPA at home, which will put CPA as a number 6 seed where they will face GP again next week. Now wouldn't that be some stuff! It also sets up a rematch of HC vs. LC in the second round. This is going to be amazing.

[JohnJohn]

Thanks, great job by the way. Quadrant 3 is very interesting. There are a lot of if's ands or buts that will determine final pairings. I see GP defeating CPA at home, which will put CPA as a number 6 seed where they will face GP again next week. Now wouldn't that be some stuff! It also sets up a rematch of HC vs. LC in the second round. This is going to be amazing.

 

 

 

If that scenario were to come about then you would have two region champions (Goodpasture and CPA would be Co Champions) in the first round. I don't think that has ever happened in the first round in the regular playoff model.

[Lions4ever]

If that scenario were to come about then you would have two region champions (Goodpasture and CPA would be Co Champions) in the first round. I don't think that has ever happened in the first round in the regular playoff model.

 

John...I think DCA would have to lose for GP to become region champs and I don't see that happening considering DCA is playing East Robertson....Actually if CPA loses and DCA wins then DCA is sole champion. If GP beats CPA then they can only finish second and CPA would be third. There is no possible co-champion scenario.

 

from the TSSAA website:

 

If CPA wins, CPA is first, DCA is second, and Goodpasture is third.

If CPA loses and DCA wins, DCA is first, Goodpasture is second, and CPA is third.

If CPA loses and DCA loses, Goodpasture is first, CPA is second, and DCA is third

[oldchsman]

According to TSSAA.org,

The second tie breaker after record is wins over opp. over 50%

Marion has one win over a team with a record of 50% (Cannon) and if Whitwell wins Friday night they will have two.

 

Humboldt has zero wins against a team with a record of 50% and they play Gibson Friday night who doesn't have a winning record.

 

 

 

Thanks I missed that.

[JohnJohn]

John...I think DCA would have to lose for GP to become region champs and I don't see that happening considering DCA is playing East Robertson....Actually if CPA loses and DCA wins then DCA is sole champion. If GP beats CPA then they can only finish second and CPA would be third. There is no possible co-champion scenario.

 

from the TSSAA website:

 

If CPA wins, CPA is first, DCA is second, and Goodpasture is third.

If CPA loses and DCA wins, DCA is first, Goodpasture is second, and CPA is third.

If CPA loses and DCA loses, Goodpasture is first, CPA is second, and DCA is third

 

 

The TSSAA is referring to seeds. If Goodpasture wins there will be a three way tie for the Championship itself and each school will receive the award stating so. From a seed standpoint it would then be DCA, Goodpasture, and CPA in that order.

 

This same scenario happened in 1999 for Goodpasture when they tied with Smith Co. and Lipscomb. All three were recognized as region Champions with Smith Co. being the first seed, Lipscomb being the second, and Goodpasture the third.

 

But to be fair the TSSAA website does make it look a bit confusing.

[Lions4ever]

The TSSAA is referring to seeds. If Goodpasture wins there will be a three way tie for the Championship itself and each school will receive the award stating so. From a seed standpoint it would then be DCA, Goodpasture, and CPA in that order.

 

This same scenario happened in 1999 for Goodpasture when they tied with Smith Co. and Lipscomb. All three were recognized as region Champions with Smith Co. being the first seed, Lipscomb being the second, and Goodpasture the third.

 

But to be fair the TSSAA website does make it look a bit confusing.

 

Then why does TSSAA have a regional winner tiebreaker format if it just makes them co-champs? From the paragraph on the website it sounds like they use tiebreaking criteria to establish difinitive regional winners to me...not just seed placement...

 

Selection of regional winner, runner-up and third-place teams:

 

In the event of a tie for the region winner, runner-up, and third-place, if either team(s) has defeated the other(s) in regular-season play, the team(s) shall be rated above the other(s) in the standings. (After the region winner has been determined, the tie-breaker procedure shall begin all over again starting at the top to work out the runner-up position. The procedure shall be repeated to determine the third- place team.)

 

The following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied and all regular-season games, both region and non-region, shall count (After each of the following steps have been applied, item A above shall be applied.):

 

1. The team with the greatest number of victories.

2. The team who has the greatest number of victories over teams winning 50 percent or more of their games.

3. The team whose opponents have earned the most victories.

4. The team whose opponents have received fewer defeats.

5. The team who has the greatest number of victories over teams in its own class.

6. Ten yardline overtime procedure at neutral site Monday night at 7:30 P.M.

[JohnJohn]

Then why does TSSAA have a regional winner tiebreaker format if it just makes them co-champs? From the paragraph on the website it sounds like they use tiebreaking criteria to establish difinitive regional winners to me...not just seed placement...

 

Selection of regional winner, runner-up and third-place teams:

 

In the event of a tie for the region winner, runner-up, and third-place, if either team(s) has defeated the other(s) in regular-season play, the team(s) shall be rated above the other(s) in the standings. (After the region winner has been determined, the tie-breaker procedure shall begin all over again starting at the top to work out the runner-up position. The procedure shall be repeated to determine the third- place team.)

 

The following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied and all regular-season games, both region and non-region, shall count (After each of the following steps have been applied, item A above shall be applied.):

 

1. The team with the greatest number of victories.

2. The team who has the greatest number of victories over teams winning 50 percent or more of their games.

3. The team whose opponents have earned the most victories.

4. The team whose opponents have received fewer defeats.

5. The team who has the greatest number of victories over teams in its own class.

6. Ten yardline overtime procedure at neutral site Monday night at 7:30 P.M.

 

 

 

I think the keyword in the above paragraph is "rated." It's a rating system for the playoffs and not to determine who is and is not a Champion. At least that has always been my understanding. Either way the above system determines who is looked at by the public and thought to be the #1 Seed from the region.