TSSAA Officials

[eaglefan85]

Your reasoning is as good as your spelling. I encourage you to write Ronnie Carter and express your ideas. Just make sure you use your spell check.

 

Might want to check your own spelling before correcting someone else. Example: past should have been pass. Spell check doesn't always catch spelling errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What does it matter on a forum like this anyway?

[7asuperfan]

The last two years? PC did beat us last year by one point in overtime but before that Clay Co. won it so not sure what you're talking about 2 years and if you want to talk about the past lets talk about the future. After this year PC goes from first to worst. While they might not lose to Monterey they will to everyone else and atleast for the next 4 years unless they have transfers have no shot at winning the district if JC stays down in Class A.

 

We beat JC in region tourny the last two years, I said nothing about winning it the last two years. You know nothing about what PC has coming up, you have no idea what transfers are moving up to PC next year. You have no idea the potential of some of these freshman and sophomores, or even two of the 8th graders coming in. I heard this same crap when my class ('05) graduated, everyone said that we (PC) wouldn't be able to finish better than fourth, much less come close to JC.....wrong. You really think we are gonna be the worst team in the district? Monterey isn't very good, RBS is about the same, Clarkrange will be average like always. I don't see it......now I don't think PC will be able to come close to CC but they might be able to play with JC because they lose alot as well. Do you know the last time PC finished last time in the district? Yeah well I was probably like 2 or 3, cause it was sometimes in the 80's, to be honest I don't think I was even born yet. Coach Bibb is the best at developing players in the district. He has turned Joseph Dowdy, Jacob Brown, and Sam Cummings into better players than I personally ever thought they would be......and guess what, those boys are back next year. Stewart Rich when he has been in this year, has looked amazingly better since he came up to high school. Let me tell you why PC's jr. high team has under achieved. Coach Paris, though he was an amazing coach when I played, but in his old age he has lost his edge and isn't the same coach he once was. The team suffers from it, but that doesn't mean their isn't some tallent coming up or that has already came up. This years freshman class will surprise you. They remind me alot of the senior class this year. Two shooters, a good center who need some work, and a strong forward. Keep bashing PC, you may not even be in single A to do anything about it after next year.

[ernieg]

Might want to check your own spelling before correcting someone else. Example: past should have been pass. Spell check doesn't always catch spelling errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What does it matter on a forum like this anyway?

 

I wuz jus kiddin...lighten up, no animosity meant toward u...if that's how u spell it...

[scboaref]

The problem with officals in TSSAA is that there is no accountability. If you are an offfical and you get scheduled games your money is guaranteed as long as you show up. Why should officals care how they preform with this incentive.

I have been watching games for 30 years and it is definately getting worse by the year. Hopefully the powers at be some day will get a clue and stop this trend by making some drasctic changes to the accountability of officals before its to late, or maybe some new leadership is in order

 

 

There is accountability. The officials schedule will be pulled if he or she do not live up to the standards. Each association is responsible for the officials and has the power to pull anyones schedule that can't officiate (I know this has been done several times). One official had the state tournament and lost it because of something that happened in the region. This is not based on how many fouls that they call on any one team, but how well they know the rules and how to apply them. There is more to calling a game than "just showing up". We have to concentrate on the game with all you arm chair refs yelling not to call a foul on your little boy or girl. Most refs could care less who wins or looses the game; we are just there for the love of the game and the kids involved. None of us do it for you or the coach, but for the kids-that's what it is all about. We are not all perfect like the rest of you that down us (I know that you all will cast the first stone), so get a life or a whistle and leave us alone.

[Beefstew]

What I want to know is how many of the people complaining about officiating has ever tried to officiate a ball game. I had to officiate a JV game a couple of times when the refs didn't show up, and it stinks. It is hard to see everything from their angles. It is real easy to see calls from the bleachers, but on the court during the game it is difficult.

 

On the other hand officiating needs to be consistent. It doesn't have to be good, as long as it is consistent on both sides of the court. The teams need to adjust to the officiating, and the assistant coaches should be watching each official to see what specifically they look for.

[senator]

The problem with officals in TSSAA is that there is no accountability. If you are an offfical and you get scheduled games your money is guaranteed as long as you show up. Why should officals care how they preform with this incentive.

I have been watching games for 30 years and it is definately getting worse by the year. Hopefully the powers at be some day will get a clue and stop this trend by making some drasctic changes to the accountability of officals before its to late, or maybe some new leadership is in order

 

accountable to who the losing team or the fans that have never seen a GOOD ref, they are evaluated and reprimanded if they are out of line in behavior; it will be impossible to satisfy people who aways blame the refs because they lose. This is the most under paid thankless job ever and most of the people do it because they love the game and want to stay active. the most unpoplar ref may be doing the best job

[ZAMBO]

I dont think its just high school ball. Ive been to quite a few middle school games and its just horrible this year. I have seen alot of lopsided games in high school and middle school this year. It kinda makes basketball not fun to watch.

 

It is just as bad in west tn the refs this year that i have seen are absolutly terrible. They will not call anyone it seems for going over the back of someone. Watched one kid get position for several rebounds and got pushed so hard during the jump that he landed flat on his back 3 times and could not get the call. The refs a very inconsistant. Let someone get away with a hard foul one time down the court and call someone for barely touching someone the next time. You want to see bad refs come to west tn they are awful.

[Imatiger]

It is just as bad in west tn the refs this year that i have seen are absolutly terrible. They will not call anyone it seems for going over the back of someone. Watched one kid get position for several rebounds and got pushed so hard during the jump that he landed flat on his back 3 times and could not get the call. The refs a very inconsistant. Let someone get away with a hard foul one time down the court and call someone for barely touching someone the next time. You want to see bad refs come to west tn they are awful.

 

 

Agreed. Didn't want to bash, but it doesn't do any good in a game so you might as well do it here. I only want to cover one area. The over the back call has got to be the most missed call in high school basketball. It is not fair to the fundamental kid that can't jump out of the gym to have someone jump over his back and contact be made and no foul be called. You might as well tell the fundamental kid that he worked hard for nothing. If you don't agree about West Tn., you go watch Erin Harris from Clarksburg play. If they called his over the back calls he wouldn't average 10 minutes a game. Not knocking Erin, if they aren't going to call it why stop doing it. I guess by the time 2 average single A teams are scheduled most of the good refs are gone. Apologies to the good refs that ARE doing it for the kids to get better and because they love the game.

[eaglefan85]

Agreed. Didn't want to bash, but it doesn't do any good in a game so you might as well do it here. I only want to cover one area. The over the back call has got to be the most missed call in high school basketball. It is not fair to the fundamental kid that can't jump out of the gym to have someone jump over his back and contact be made and no foul be called. You might as well tell the fundamental kid that he worked hard for nothing. If you don't agree about West Tn., you go watch Erin Harris from Clarksburg play. If they called his over the back calls he wouldn't average 10 minutes a game. Not knocking Erin, if they aren't going to call it why stop doing it. I guess by the time 2 average single A teams are scheduled most of the good refs are gone. Apologies to the good refs that ARE doing it for the kids to get better and because they love the game.

 

It's missed both ways. Out jumping another and not making contact is not over the back. A good fundamental player will make it obvious that another player is making contact. Wish there were more refs like a couple that have posted that they do it for the love of the game and for the kids. If this were the case we wouldn't have this thread.

[eaglefan85]

Agreed. Didn't want to bash, but it doesn't do any good in a game so you might as well do it here. I only want to cover one area. The over the back call has got to be the most missed call in high school basketball. It is not fair to the fundamental kid that can't jump out of the gym to have someone jump over his back and contact be made and no foul be called. You might as well tell the fundamental kid that he worked hard for nothing. If you don't agree about West Tn., you go watch Erin Harris from Clarksburg play. If they called his over the back calls he wouldn't average 10 minutes a game. Not knocking Erin, if they aren't going to call it why stop doing it. I guess by the time 2 average single A teams are scheduled most of the good refs are gone. Apologies to the good refs that ARE doing it for the kids to get better and because they love the game.

 

It's missed both ways. Out jumping another and not making contact is not over the back. A good fundamental player will make it obvious that another player is making contact. Wish there were more refs like a couple that have posted that they do it for the love of the game and for the kids. If this were the case we wouldn't have this thread.

[heartofstone3]

Bad officiating complaints are directly proportional to how bad your team is doing most of the time.

 

There's always going to be officials that miss calls, officials that like hearing their whistle and officials that have a defective pea in theirs. Watch a middle school or JV game and feel better about the high school officials. There's usually a reason refs aren't getting more high school games.

 

This is very true. But some officials seem like they do not even know the game of basketball. Example, when stone memorial played at catholic, catholic was inbounding the ball under stones basket. The catholic player threw it off of the backboard and got it back himself and brought the ball up the court. Now I understand that refs will miss some calls, but that is a play where all 3 officials should blow their whistle and not one of them made the call. I know that there are alot of idiot fans that will yell about a call no matter what it is, but that is a bit rediculous. But all in all the officiating is better this year than in years past in my opinion.

[winning1]

There is accountability. The officials schedule will be pulled if he or she do not live up to the standards. Each association is responsible for the officials and has the power to pull anyones schedule that can't officiate (I know this has been done several times). One official had the state tournament and lost it because of something that happened in the region. This is not based on how many fouls that they call on any one team, but how well they know the rules and how to apply them. There is more to calling a game than "just showing up". We have to concentrate on the game with all you arm chair refs yelling not to call a foul on your little boy or girl. Most refs could care less who wins or looses the game; we are just there for the love of the game and the kids involved. None of us do it for you or the coach, but for the kids-that's what it is all about. We are not all perfect like the rest of you that down us (I know that you all will cast the first stone), so get a life or a whistle and leave us alone.

 

First of all I have the most respect for the ref, but I would say that 70 percent does care who win the game so don't give me this bull, ya'll don't care. just like the ref in Copper basin veruses Temple he call 3 fouls on Nathen rector in less than 30 second because the coach call himout on a very bad first call so he foul Nathen out and every time he call it he look at the coach and was teasing him when he did it.