What is the right call

[govols10]

I have a question on what the right call should be: Runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Ball hit to the corner and runner from 1st goes in to score but misses the plate and is tagged out. Now there are 2 outs however the batter rounds 2nd and leaves the field of play with helment off thinking the game is over. The call on the field was that the runner was placed back on 2nd base. Is this the right rule or should the call be out once the player leaves the field regardless of the circumstances? Just curious of what the right call should be.

[by03]

The right call is it doesnt matter because you dont call a guy out for missing the plate when there is no play on him and he is celebrating a big district win under a dog pile. ridiculous call.

[govols10]

The right call is it doesnt matter because you dont call a guy out for missing the plate when there is no play on him and he is celebrating a big district win under a dog pile. ridiculous call.

 

Not arguing that point. Just wanting to know what the rule is and what the right call should be out of curiosity.

[Guest]

The right call is it doesnt matter because you dont call a guy out for missing the plate when there is no play on him and he is celebrating a big district win under a dog pile. ridiculous call.

It doesn't matter if there is a play on him or not if he misses the plate or any base and the defense either appeals the play or tags the runner out before time is called then he is out. As for the hitter rounding 2nd would depend if the umpire had called time or he felt play was dead. So in my opinion if the runner had scored the winning run then the play is dead (game over) until the defense makes the play on the runner missing the plate or appeals. If the defense doesn't appeal or make the play (tag the runner) then the run stands. In this case if the other team is paying attention and assuming the umpire didn't signal the runner safe (which he doesn't when no play is made) then when they tagged the runner out he's out. I have also heard that you don't have to appeal anymore but I haven't seen an umpire make that call, so I don't know if that is acually true or not. I have seen quite a few years ago a kid hit a two out, three run walkoff homer and missed first base. The opposing team appealed him missing first, so instead of winning by one they lose by two.

[take2andhittoright]

hey by03, sounds like there was a play at the plate if he got tagged out. What if it's the same situation and a kid hits a walkoff HR, can he miss all the bases? There is no play on him. Should the other team not appeal? According to you, you wouldn't. You must be a Smyrna homer. Did you ride your bike or carry your lunch to school?

[heyblue]

The defensive team can tag the runner without appeal if the ball is live. An appeal can either be a live ball appeal or deadball appeal. What happens to the Batter Runner depends on whether the ball was declared dead by the umpire or not. If I understand the scenario correctly the runner was tagged out by the defensive team which to me would indicate that the ball was live. In this case the batter runner would be at risk to return to second and the defensive should have the opportunity to tag him out as well.

[take2andhittoright]

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A runner’s baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely; or

(2) after touching first base, he leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base;

Rule 7.08(a) Comment: Any runner after reaching first base who leaves the baseline heading for his dugout or his position believing that there is no further play, may be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases. Even though an out is called, the ball remains in play in regard to any other runner.

This rule also covers the following and similar plays: Less than two out, score tied last of ninth inning, runner on first, batter hits a ball out of park for winning run, the runner on first passes second and thinking the home run automatically wins the game, cuts across diamond toward his bench as batter-runner circles bases. In this case, the base runner would be called out “for abandoning his effort to touch the next base” and batter-runner permitted to continue around bases to make his home run valid. If there are two out, home run would not count (see Rule 7.12). This is not an appeal play.

PLAY. Runner believing he is called out on a tag at first or third base starts for the dugout and progresses a reasonable distance still indicating by his actions that he is out, shall be declared out for abandoning the bases.

[ksgovols]

I'm interested to know why the team with the kid that missed 1st base on a 3 run homer loses by 2 instead of being tied. The guys on base in front of him should score unless they missed a base or abandoned a base.

 

Be careful about interpretting the 'established base line' when discussing base running. That rule is for runners that have a play on them by the defense. There's not a base line until the runner establishes one. If he rounds first, heads to the right field fence and then goes to second, he's established a base path. There's no 'running out of the baseline' rule where a runner is out without a play being attempted on him by the defense. Think about all the guys rounding third that wind up 20 feet from the foul line before they get to the plate.

 

The kid on 2nd is out for abandoning 2nd base with no attempt to go to third unless blue had time.

[TIMEWARP]

If less than 2 outs, then the preceding runners would score. The batter/runner is out for not

properly obtaining Ist base.

[Guest]

If less than 2 outs, then the preceding runners would score. The batter/runner is out for not

properly obtaining Ist base.

There were two outs and the Batter-runner missed 1st base, it's a force out and no runs are allowed to score. But if the hitter had touched 1st and lets say missed 2nd the two runners in front of him score as this would not be classified as a forced out but a timed out. Back to the original question, the runner missing home is out whether the appeal or tag is under a liveball or a deadball. The status of the runner at second is dependent on whether the umpire had timeout or what his interpetation of the situation was. A lot of gray area if you're not privy to what's actually happening on the field.

[midtnblu]

TW and rebel are correct!

 

 

 

No runs can score during action when the 3rd out is made by the batter/runner before he reaches 1st base. An appeal of the batter/runner missing first base would fall under this rule. FED 9.1 Exception a

 

also...

 

If a missed base appeal is a force-out and results in the 3rd out, no runs can score. Ex: With R1, Batter hits homerun. R1 misses 2nd base and is called out on appeal. No runs score. FED 8.2.5 If a baserunning infraction is the 3rd out, runs scored by the following runner(s) would not count. With 2 outs, if the missed base was the first to which the batter or runner was forced to advance, no runs would score.