TN Coach's Poll For 4 December-Let the discussion begin.

[ArtusCimber]

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TENNESSEE HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING POLL

                                                                                                                                   

From: Jeff Price                                                               Results from: 4 December 2017

 

THIS IS THE FIRST POLL OF THE SEASON. 

 

Now in its 26th year, The Poll is primarily a measure of dual meet strength with some consideration to individual tournament strength.   Votes are cast by a state-wide panel of high school wrestling coaches and are based on a maximum Power Ranking of 100%.

 

STATE POLL:

 

RANK	SCHOOL	POWER RANKING	LAST WEEK
1	CLEVELAND	99
2	McCALLIE	93
3	CHRISTIAN BROTHERS	80
4	SCIENCE HILL	74
5	BAYLOR	68
6	WILSON CENTRAL	55
7	BRADLEY CENTRAL	53
8	FATHER RYAN	40
9	ARLINGTON	24
9(tie)	SODDY-DAISY	24
11	BEECH	15
12	HALLS	13

 

ALSO RECEIVING VOTES: BLACKMAN, HERITAGE, PIGEON FORGE, TENNESSEE HIGH, SUMMIT 

 

 

[cbg]

Was told by someone at the Blackhorse Invitational that if someone from Tennessee beats Christian Brothers they will have to bring their A-Game.  Apparently CBHS defeated a very good Brother Martin team out of Louisiana for the championship.

[RMC]

I can bring you a team from Georgia....

[ArtusCimber]

I heard that as well. They had a great final round, and I was told by at least two of my voters that they are beyond legit. That's why I'm glad the Toppers get to measure up against them next week.

[PatCoach09]

Dobyns Bennett and Morristown West, both finished ahead of TN high at Border Duals this weekend. Halls finished second in team points at Knox Catholic, just behind Heritage.

[cbg]

44 minutes ago, RMC said:

I can bring you a team from Georgia....

Who is the top team in Georgia this year?  You can bet that GA has one or two of the Top 25 teams every year but for some reason no team has the ability to stay on top for an extended period of time.  Archer was strong, Collins Hill was good, McEachern was good back in the 90's,  Pope has been on top and it now appears that Camden is standing on top of the podium.  

[RMC]

17 minutes ago, cbg said:

Who is the top team in Georgia this year?  You can bet that GA has one or two of the Top 25 teams every year but for some reason no team has the ability to stay on top for an extended period of time.  Archer was strong, Collins Hill was good, McEachern was good back in the 90's,  Pope has been on top and it now appears that Camden is standing on top of the podium.  

My daughter is a wrestling manager for Buford (5A)......they'll be tough and Camden (7A) is strong.  This past weekend North Hall looked good too.....Woodland is young.....but all good talent. 

Buford returned 11 starters, 3 state champs, 3 runner-ups, a 3rd place and a 6th place.  Camden is returning 6 with 4 of those being state champions. 

Buford won the tournament in SC last weekend with a really good kid defaulting out of all matches and their heavy still in football.  If you remember how Archer was a few years ago.....that coach is at Buford. 

[cbg]

1 hour ago, RMC said:

My daughter is a wrestling manager for Buford (5A)......they'll be tough and Camden (7A) is strong.  This past weekend North Hall looked good too.....Woodland is young.....but all good talent. 

Buford returned 11 starters, 3 state champs, 3 runner-ups, a 3rd place and a 6th place.  Camden is returning 6 with 4 of those being state champions. 

Buford won the tournament in SC last weekend with a really good kid defaulting out of all matches and their heavy still in football.  If you remember how Archer was a few years ago.....that coach is at Buford. 

Why is it so difficult to have a state championship run of 8 or 10 years in Georgia?  Is it due to coaches not staying at one school long enough or do the school zones change rapidly?  Are most of the schools open zoned where any student may attend if they provide their own transportation?  I was told a few years back by a Pope middle school coach that several good kids get together in the 8th grade and decide where they will all attend high school and participate in wrestling.  He claimed that they want to be sure they are not competing behind a big name stud for 2 or 3 years.

Edited December 4, 2017 by cbg

[RMC]

Just now, cbg said:

Why is it so difficult to have a state championship run of 8 or 10 years in Georgia?  Is it due to coaches not staying at one school long enough or do the school zones change rapidly?  Are most of the schools open zoned where any student may attend if they provide their own transportation?

I've been asked this a bunch, but I'd say both reasons.  Although, Camden has had a good run for quite a few years, but not sure if they travel much to the north.  

I moved to to the Suwanee area in 1996......since then, 7 - AAAAAAA schools have been built within a 10 mile radius of my home. Currently, school #8 is under construction.  My older 2 kids went to Collins Hill.....it was built in 1994.... and youngest is at Buford.    

It also so it seems like the pool of kids dries up.  In my neighborhood, we went through a period with hundreds kids and then that dwindled to almost none. We have seen a resurgence, but not like it used to be. Collins Hill when from 4200 students to around 2000 or so now.  It's like the feeders get killed off and form in new areas.  

And your second question, permissive transfers are determined by the principal.  For Gwinnett county, some schools allow and some don't, but you'd have to live in Gwinnett county. (I don't know about other counties)     

[WrestlingGod]

3 hours ago, PatCoach09 said:

Dobyns Bennett and Morristown West, both finished ahead of TN high at Border Duals this weekend. Halls finished second in team points at Knox Catholic, just behind Heritage.

Why did TN High forfeit 6 weight classes? Do they have the wrestlers to fill the spots? Either way they’re not on the rankings just honerable mention so it won’t effect them in any way. As far as Heritage finishing ahead of Halls the rankings are based on dual strength not traditional tournaments. 

[PatCoach09]

16 hours ago, WrestlingGod said:

Why did TN High forfeit 6 weight classes? Do they have the wrestlers to fill the spots? Either way they’re not on the rankings just honorable mention so it won’t effect them in any way. As far as Heritage finishing ahead of Halls the rankings are based on dual strength not traditional tournaments. 

I do not believe they have the kids to fill the classes, I saw another dual where I believe they forfeited 4? I just included it since they were being listed with the ranked teams as an "Honorable mention".  True, Chase Brown was also out for Halls anyways.

Edited December 5, 2017 by PatCoach09

[1993Viking]

5 hours ago, PatCoach09 said:

I do not believe they have the kids to fill the classes, I saw another dual where I believe they forfeited 4? I just included it since they were being listed with the ranked teams as an "Honorable mention".  True, Chase Brown was also out for Halls anyways.

I wouldn't count out the Vikings yet PatCoach.  They have competed with 10-11 wrestlers for the past 4 seasons and somehow figure out how to bring home hardware.  I expect this year will be no different as the other Region 1 teams will be sitting at home scratching their heads wondering why they can't beat a team that spots them at least 24 points in every dual.