BobCorker

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It’s not hard to see what happened here. Cleveland released their schedule in October and had LHP scheduled for Jan 6th. At the time of scheduling, LHP had holes at 106,190-285. Bosken had done the math, and thought Cleveland was going to beat them and lay claim that they are the premier program in the SE. They probably already had billboard space purchased on I-75. LHP had other plans and picked up several kids from Illinois, Virginia, and Connecticut. The writing was really on the wall after Cleveland underperformed at the Powerade. The only kids who placed for Cleveland were the move-ins. The lifelong HCWC kids got waxed. LHP finished 81 points ahead of Cleveland. At that point, Bosken recalculated the math and told Coach Knox they had zero shot. Their streak of beating up East Hamilton, McMinnville, and Sale Creek was in jeopardy. Cleveland has won 200 dual meets in a row but hasn’t faced a top 50 opponent during that streak. It is, and always has been, about their image. I do think I will yell down over the railing Saturday morning and inquire. Maybe they will reimburse me for my plane ticket to Orlando. I was heading down to watch Tennessee's best wrestle before I heard the news.

It fell through because Coach Knox called and cancelled it once he saw just how good LHP was this year. LHP picked up a few mid-year transfers and Bosken + Knox got scared. #madeincleveland #doitforthegram

Well then I am in agreement with you. Take away the Fowlers and Szymborski and they don't even win state in D1 this year. They do work hard and pour into their youth, but they seem afraid to admit they greatly benefit from recruiting. But they call out other programs for doing it? That being said, I stand by my statement: they are using the same formula as any other top 50 teams in the county. And they should keep using it. No one is getting there with kids from one elementary school. We need more top 50 teams, not less.

I get it brother! I am pro transfer and pro freedom. Do what you want; it's America! We need more strong programs like Cleveland! The Szymborski family ran into Bosken and the rest is history. Who wouldn't want to move to Cleveland, TN! Bosken is one of the best developers of talent in the state, but his recruiting is really underrated. Imagine what he would do if he went to a boarding school?

Largely uneducated post. Boarding schools like Baylor and McCallie take in around 300 boarding students a year. They kick out roughly 20 of those kids a year. Look up the attrition rate for NAIS member schools. The next year, they fill back up at 200. If Baylor and McCallie don’t fill those 300 beds with some athletes, who do you think they should fill them with? Violinist? Who would you put in those beds if you ran the school? Baylor had 2-3 boarders in their lineup this year and McCallie has 2-3 as well. Pretty small percentage. So talent who are developed from a young age, in house, are immune to making high school mistakes? Got it. I have to assume there has never been a kid at Soddy or Bradley who has ever gotten in trouble. In fact, I have it on good authority that every kid in Soddy is a teetotaling virgin.

Cleveland has cracked the formula to be a top 50 team in America. They have a great youth program that attracts other talented youth kids to move there. They get kids to move in from the area and other states to help supplement what they are developing. This is not a bad thing as it is the exact formula that nearly every top 50 team in the United States uses. If you think Crown Point, IN is full of kids that came out of their youth club, then you are naïve. Cleveland has recruited well and operates much like a private school. Kids like Ethan West and Tristan Blansit lived in Georgia but were able to use school of choice to attend Cleveland. Grant Lundy was able to switch to Cleveland. The Fowlers relocated. Jax Ernst moved in from Texas. Lucas Szymborski came from Crown Point, IN. Cody Chittum was a mercenary for a month. Undoubtedly they are moving because they perceive it will enhance their kid's life. Only in Tennessee do people get bent out of shape about it. Other states that have multiple teams ranked in the top 50 understand that these teams are basically local all-start teams. Look at Edmond North or Stillwater and tell me how many kids grew up in those communities. TN should be embracing what Cleveland is doing instead of all the disparaging remarks. We just need about 5 more Clevelands and the state might make some noise post high school. I still don’t understand why they cancelled the LHP dual… I think they might be quietly trying to replicate Brandon’s streak and will only take duals that they are sure they will win.

Father Ryan will certainly have a good shot to win but please don't act as if they haven't had their own issues over the years. It was just a few years ago that several of their guys had to leave for live-in-rehab. News flash: high school kids do stupid things, and it's getting worse not better with younger generations. When was the last time Father Ryan won a traditional state tournament? You know, the one that concludes the season.

Honest question: Are you age 13 or younger?

Based on your text: You don't find it strange that in early Sept Knox was trying to set up something for next year. Because that is how scheduling works... you plan a year out. And then, all of the sudden, two days after the Prince of Cleveland/Blackman drops a match, then Knox asks for dates? Comes off as pretty petty to me.. Looks like Knox didn't respond to a text request for a dual in 2020... Maybe those two just don't get along? This might be reminiscent of Baylor/Bradley not wrestling for a decade back in the 2000s Please share why Cleveland decided to back out of the LHP dual on Jan 6th.

Coincidence that Max Norman beat their superstar on Sept 23rd in their gym and then Coach Knox asks them to get a dual two days later? Sounds like Knox was a little butt hurt. Isn't that a little late to be changing the schedule when they have flights booked for their out of state travel? I suspect there is a lot more to the story than a text at the end of Sept. Also, what happened to the Cleveland vs Lake Highland Prep dual that was on Cleveland's schedule they released this year?

All about match ups. Father Ryan by 10 over Baylor. McCallie over Father Ryan by 15.

Baylor has dualed Blair 3 or 4 times recently. They always get handled but they keep going back for more. I think they know what they are getting into... They went up to Blair's home gym a few years ago and won 1 match. Perhaps they are masochist or perhaps they just like wrestling good teams. They went 4-1 at this event last year including a win over the PA team. Baylor seems to be down this year and the tournament is harder, so I wouldn't expect them to replicate that record. At least they are wrestling other prep teams. Makes for some good individual match ups. It is amazing how many good teams are having a hard time filling their lineup. I think high school should have switched to 12 weights. Duals would be faster and there would be less forfeits. 14 is way too many for high school.

Very interesting... Last year they got 4th and got smoked by Father Ryan and UC the two previous years. Maybe they came back from PA a little wounded? Looks like they are taking a page out of Cornell's book and protecting their SE ranking... Do they drop in the polls since they are literally changing their schedule to avoid good competition?

Father Ryan is still the hands down favorite to win DII once they get Tran back. It will be close between them and McCallie because of matchups, but Father Ryan will get their lineup set before too long!

They also refused to shake hands with the Brentwood coaching staff...

Buford also missing their heavyweight and their 132 (McArthur). Looks like they sent 3/4th of a team. Cleveland should win this tournament since they have 4 in the semis and as their coach says "tournaments are won on the backside". I expect them to place all 15!

Social media would lead one to believe an antithetical viewpoint. I don't know if anyone crows more about their ranking than Cleveland. Every time a poll comes out where they are ranked #1 in an arbitrary list, they rush to social media to post. Heck, their head coach was on the SE facebook page last week complaining about how his team isn't ranked high enough. Not a flattering look... Cleveland hasn't wrestled a top 25 team since 2017. It's pretty easy to understand why they stopped traveling out of state after this one... Now we do need to give them credit for this year's schedule. They should see where they stand after this season. Please don't take this as a knock on their wrestlers. Cleveland wrestlers are good and they work hard. Jake Baker (Wyoming Seminary) over Jackson Bradford (Cleveland) (Fall 0:00) Drew Munch (Wyoming Seminary) over Burns Meagher (Cleveland) (Fall 2:00) Lincoln Heck (Wyoming Seminary) over Bryce Pond (Cleveland) (MD 18-4) Mosha Schwartz (Wyoming Seminary) over Jayce Mullin (Cleveland) (Fall 0:00) Clay Murabito (Wyoming Seminary) over Michael Whiteside (Cleveland) (Fall 2:00) Jacob Zuller (Wyoming Seminary) over Cody Mathews (Cleveland) (Fall 4:00) Gavin Mitchener (Wyoming Seminary) over Austin Sweeney (Cleveland) (Fall 4:00) Max DeRosier (Wyoming Seminary) over Zach Brezna (Cleveland) (Fall 0:00) Darwin Hull (Wyoming Seminary) over Dylan Jones (Cleveland) (Dec 8-3) Kyle Costello (Wyoming Seminary) over Robert Hicks (Cleveland) (Fall 4:00) Bena Senatus (Wyoming Seminary) over Isaah Perez (Cleveland) (Fall 2:00) Bena Senatus (Wyoming Seminary) over Logan Strickland (Cleveland) (Fall 2:00) Nick Martino (Wyoming Seminary) over Titus Swafford (Cleveland) (Fall 0:00) Jake Baker (Wyoming Seminary) over Trae McDaniel (Cleveland) (Dec 3-0) Team Score: 76-0

McCallie brought back all of their team from last year too. Now with McCallie beating Baylor in the football state championship last night, it might take until January before McCallie and Baylor get their lineup together.

Should be a good year filled with a lot of parity! As Coach Yost said in his State of the Program, TN better watch out! I suspect we see McCallie, Father Ryan, Baylor, and Lakeway battle it out for a state championship in DII. This may be Coach DeAngelo's best team he has ever had. I wouldn't be surprised if they won it this year. Or McCallie. I don't think there will be a dominate team in DII. Cleveland looks to be the class of public schools this year.

It's pretty simple SportsTNFan. All you have to do is go to a school website and fill out an inquiry form. https://montgomerybell.myschoolapp.com/page/admissions/inquire-online?siteId=655&ssl=1 https://share.hsforms.com/19XPnOUstQbKowgDrE-O5Nw1sc8s https://www.baylorschool.org/admission/inquire https://portals.veracross.com/webb/form/inquiry/General Inquiry https://www.fatherryan.org/admissions/apply

So Father Ryan High School is made up of kids who went to a variety of middle schools from all over a city of 2 million people... Why is cgb so angry?

Gotcha. So I have been conflating the Nashville Catholic Club with the Father Ryan Middle School. Where do the Nashville Catholic Club kids go to middle school?

So Father Ryan's middle school cost $300 and MBA, Baylor, and McCallie charge $30,000 to be on their middle school team. And you really have to ask the question on why Father Ryan has a better middle school team? Sadly the private middle schools have priced themselves out of having a good team... Back in the 90s it cost about $4000 to attend a private middle school. McCallie picked up the real crop of talent this year. Word is Yost is feeling the burn and went and got himself about 12 hammers.

I would be willing to bet that Baylor High School has more kids from their middle school than Father Ryan has from their middle school... Father Ryan has the best recruiting set up in the state. They don't have a middle school so they just recruit the largest city in the state for kids like Tran and then charge them $50 to join their middle school team. What a pipeline! I bet if MBA, Baylor, and McCallie only charged $50 for middle school tuition they have great middle school clubs too! The few kids Baylor picked up won't make a difference this year. They may have won 5 straight titles, but it looks like a rebuilding year for the Red Raiders. Calling it now. McCallie wins their first title since 1993. Father Ryan takes 2nd followed by Lakeway and then Baylor in 4th or 5th.