Seeded 1st Round in 5A

[Croach]

I really, really, really like that!

I understand that TSSAA wants local teams to play each other for 'travel' reasons, but... ,man, that would be fun!!

[Unknown51603]

Nice way of putting it I like the whole neutral site thing my self such as if it were to far away. nice Thinking

[davidlimbaugh]

What makes this not possible is the fact that overall records and even district seasons are decieving. Who a team plays out of district (i.e perhaps lower classification or a team from a weaker district) and who is to even judge the stronger from the weak.

 

Compare Smyrna and Lavergne's seasons to Warren County and William Blount

 

Smyrna

0 19-Aug-05 at LaVergne ® W 22 20

1 26-Aug-05 Brentwood L 19 9

2 02-Sep-05 Wilson Central ® L 38 14

3 09-Sep-05 Columbia W 58 39

4 16-Sep-05 at Blackman ® W 44 17

5 23-Sep-05 at Ravenwood L 34 21

6 30-Sep-05 Siegel ® W 27 17

7 07-Oct-05 at Open

8 14-Oct-05 at Riverdale ® L 51 20

9 21-Oct-05 Oakland ® W 34 7

10 28-Oct-05 at Lebanon ® W 43 21

11 04-Nov-05 at Lincoln County W 31 7

12 11-Nov-05 at Riverdale

 

Lavergne

0 19-Aug-05 Smyrna ® L 22 20

1 26-Aug-05 at Centennial W 28 0

2 02-Sep-05 Lebanon ® W 24 13

3 09-Sep-05 at Glencliff W 42 0

4 16-Sep-05 at Riverdale ® L 28 20

5 23-Sep-05 Columbia W 30 3

6 30-Sep-05 Oakland ® W 32 24

7 07-Oct-05 at Open

8 14-Oct-05 at Siegel ® W 40 21

9 21-Oct-05 Blackman ® W 33 30

10 28-Oct-05 at Wilson Central ® L 19 14

11 04-Nov-05 at Cookeville L 28 14

 

Warren Co

 

0 19-Aug-05 Bradley Central W 34 12

1 26-Aug-05 DeKalb County W 50 6

2 02-Sep-05 at Lincoln County ® L 20 13

3 09-Sep-05 at White County L 34 17

4 16-Sep-05 at Cookeville ® L 45 14

5 23-Sep-05 at Tullahoma L 20 17

6 30-Sep-05 at Cumberland County ® W 38 20

7 07-Oct-05 at Open

8 14-Oct-05 Franklin County ® W 29 10

9 21-Oct-05 Sequatchie County W 39 28

10 28-Oct-05 Coffee County ® L 24 21

11 04-Nov-05 at Wilson Central L 48 7

 

William Blount

 

19-Aug-05 at Sevier County L 25 14

1 27-Aug-05 Clarksville NW W 42 14

2 02-Sep-05 at Soddy-Daisy ® W 47 12

3 09-Sep-05 at Open

4 16-Sep-05 Ooltewah ® W 28 21

5 23-Sep-05 Maryville L 39 3

6 30-Sep-05 Farragut ® L 31 7

7 07-Oct-05 at Oak Ridge ® L 27 6

8 14-Oct-05 at McMinn County ® W 31 7

9 21-Oct-05 Bradley Central ® W 38 0

10 28-Oct-05 at Heritage ® W 38 6

11 04-Nov-05 at Sevier County L 22 19

 

 

IMHO, TSSAA does it the fairest way possible - i.e. no judgement or ratings or polls, just how you did with your peers in your district. Now, if I had my way we would not has as many classications but that is story for another day....

Edited November 8, 2005 by davidlimbaugh

[basketballisbest]

What makes this not possible is the fact that overall records and even district seasons are decieving. Who a team plays out of district (i.e perhaps lower classification or a team from a weaker district) and who is to even judge the stronger from the weak.

 

Compare Smyrna and Lavergne's seasons to Warren County and William Blount

 

Smyrna

0 19-Aug-05 at LaVergne ® W 22 20

1 26-Aug-05 Brentwood L 19 9

2 02-Sep-05 Wilson Central ® L 38 14

3 09-Sep-05 Columbia W 58 39

4 16-Sep-05 at Blackman ® W 44 17

5 23-Sep-05 at Ravenwood L 34 21

6 30-Sep-05 Siegel ® W 27 17

7 07-Oct-05 at Open

8 14-Oct-05 at Riverdale ® L 51 20

9 21-Oct-05 Oakland ® W 34 7

10 28-Oct-05 at Lebanon ® W 43 21

11 04-Nov-05 at Lincoln County W 31 7

12 11-Nov-05 at Riverdale

 

Lavergne

0 19-Aug-05 Smyrna ® L 22 20

1 26-Aug-05 at Centennial W 28 0

2 02-Sep-05 Lebanon ® W 24 13

3 09-Sep-05 at Glencliff W 42 0

4 16-Sep-05 at Riverdale ® L 28 20

5 23-Sep-05 Columbia W 30 3

6 30-Sep-05 Oakland ® W 32 24

7 07-Oct-05 at Open

8 14-Oct-05 at Siegel ® W 40 21

9 21-Oct-05 Blackman ® W 33 30

10 28-Oct-05 at Wilson Central ® L 19 14

11 04-Nov-05 at Cookeville L 28 14

 

Warren Co

 

0 19-Aug-05 Bradley Central W 34 12

1 26-Aug-05 DeKalb County W 50 6

2 02-Sep-05 at Lincoln County ® L 20 13

3 09-Sep-05 at White County L 34 17

4 16-Sep-05 at Cookeville ® L 45 14

5 23-Sep-05 at Tullahoma L 20 17

6 30-Sep-05 at Cumberland County ® W 38 20

7 07-Oct-05 at Open

8 14-Oct-05 Franklin County ® W 29 10

9 21-Oct-05 Sequatchie County W 39 28

10 28-Oct-05 Coffee County ® L 24 21

11 04-Nov-05 at Wilson Central L 48 7

 

William Blount

 

19-Aug-05 at Sevier County L 25 14

1 27-Aug-05 Clarksville NW W 42 14

2 02-Sep-05 at Soddy-Daisy ® W 47 12

3 09-Sep-05 at Open

4 16-Sep-05 Ooltewah ® W 28 21

5 23-Sep-05 Maryville L 39 3

6 30-Sep-05 Farragut ® L 31 7

7 07-Oct-05 at Oak Ridge ® L 27 6

8 14-Oct-05 at McMinn County ® W 31 7

9 21-Oct-05 Bradley Central ® W 38 0

10 28-Oct-05 at Heritage ® W 38 6

11 04-Nov-05 at Sevier County L 22 19

IMHO, TSSAA does it the fairest way possible - i.e. no judgement or ratings or polls, just how you did with your peers in your district. Now, if I had my way we would not has as many classications but that is story for another day....

 

Only problem is that to get to the finals you have to play the same teams over and over, when the state gets stacked on one side, then it is unfair to the teams with the tougher schedules to knock each other off, and then teams on the weaker side of the state don't have the same challenges.

 

Seems to me that some kind of formula, including the same 32 teams, but matching them up, based on ranking, SOS and other formulas, like in Ohio. I believe this is much fairer than what we currently have.

[bigducky]

I like your idea. I don't want to hear anything about travel, Ooltewah has had to go to Kingsport two years in a row, about 4 hours. Both years, it was unfortunate they have had to play each other in the first round. I still think your way would be better than the current format. I like the nuetral field part also, maybe for the first two rounds. Then have the higher seed teams host a third or fourth round game. Could you imagine the excitment a two day four game site at MTSU, Vandy, UTC, Austin Peay, TN Tech would generate. Tha would be awesome for the early rounds and could probably minimize travel.

[randy3116]

I really, really, really like that!

I understand that TSSAA wants local teams to play each other for 'travel' reasons, but... ,man, that would be fun!!

I agree. I still think that teams from the east and west should be bracketed together but do not limit the games to nearby or local regions as it is now. To reduce travel somewhat, what if multiple neutral sites at schools not in the playoffs and that were located at a midpoint in the state, more or less, were used for playoff sites for the schools that were in? For example, sites at schools in and around the Cookeville area could be used for the east bracket. Just a thought.

[Thesportsreporters]

I say let them travel. that's one thing that is fun about playoffs, traveling to a place you rarely go! and then using neutral sites takes away the whole home field advantage. I still say stick with basketball's original idea.

 

oh and then think about it, paying for a neutral site would be about the same as traveling to the home teams place. even if you use a neutral site you are still traveling!! right? and you have to pay for that place to play (either directly or indirectly). using a neutral site would probably raise the ticket price to $10 a game. you know we don't want that - I fuss about the 7$.

Edited November 8, 2005 by Thesportsreporters

[cephus23]

Georgia has it set up so that region schools will not meet against each other until the semis. They are all put in different brackets from each other, based on region seatings.

[bigducky]

Georgia has it set up so that region schools will not meet against each other until the semis. They are all put in different brackets from each other, based on region seatings.

That's they way it should be, you should not be playing a region opponent for at least three weeks or more. I like their Baseball set-up better also. Everything best 2 out of 3, not one and done like in Tennessee.

[basketballisbest]

I say let them travel. that's one thing that is fun about playoffs, traveling to a place you rarely go! and then using neutral sites takes away the whole home field advantage. I still say stick with basketball's original idea.

 

oh and then think about it, paying for a neutral site would be about the same as traveling to the home teams place. even if you use a neutral site you are still traveling!! right? and you have to pay for that place to play (either directly or indirectly). using a neutral site would probably raise the ticket price to $10 a game. you know we don't want that - I fuss about the 7$.

 

I agree. The downside of traveling is paled in the face of the better competition later in the playoffs. I agree also with playing on the home field of the higher seeded team. It's time to have a revolution in TN high school football. TSSAA needs to change what they are doing now, it's simply not fair overall.

[RavenRapOnTheMap32]

I think that every year you should switch the regions that play eachother in the preseason. And i say a team has earned home feild advantage and should keep it. Maybe bye weeks for teams ranked #1 in their region. And get in another format to where that wouldnt mess the bye system up. And i dont like the fact that u get into the playoffs in account of your region record. Nothing against dickson county but they werent that great of a team [4-6(4-3)] that record was before the playoffs started. They got into the playoffs by winning four region games, but those 4 opponents had a combined record of 8-32 (Centennial, Columbia C, Independence, & Clarksville NE.) Ravenwood, Brentwood, and Franklin absolutely demolished them. I kno it reall wouldnt matter this year cause of only 3 strong teams in region 6 but i think a lot of people get my point.

[SergeantOwl22]

Breakdown (Games through 1st Playoff Round) Total Wins & Losses

 

T1. Region 2 & 8 / 46W & 38L

2. Region 4 / 44W & 40L

3. Region 1 / 37W & 37L

4. Region 6 / 40W & 44L

5. Region 3 / 29W & 35L

6. Region 5 / 38W & 46L

7. Region 7 / 37W & 46L

 

Toughest Brackets

1. Region 1 & 2 (83W & 75L)

2. Region 7 & 8 (83W & 84L)

3. Region 3 & 4 (73W & 75L)

4. Region 5 & 6 (78W & 90L)

 

Toughest road to the State Finals

1. Regions 1 - 4 (156W & 150L)

2. Regions 5 - 8 (161W & 174L)

 

Regions Ranked as the Best or Hardest to win the State.

#1 Region 2 (14pts)

#2 Region 1 & 8 (12pts)

#3 Region 4 (11pts)

#4 Region 3 (8pts)

#5 Region 6 (7pts)

#6 Region 7 (6pts)

#7 Region 5 (5pts)

 

I posted this on another thread to show how lopsided the bracketing is for the State Championship IMO we could use the formula or just alternate Region Bracketing from the current 1 versus 2 and so on, to 1 versus 2 in the first year then 1 versus 3 then 1 versus 4 and so on through eight regions then start over 1 versus 2. This would give teams that may never play each other to experience another teams traditions and will make the states football qualities go up. JMO

 

Put to the Test 2001 - 2004 State Championships

 

2004 Riverdale R4 over Franklin R6 (35-7)

2003 Germantown R8 over Riverdale R4 (10-7)

2002 Brentwood R6 over Riverdale R4 (10-7)

2001 Riverdale R4 over Henderson R5 (35-7)

 

Riverdale of Region 4 and from the bracket 1-4 has won 2 State Championships and two Runner-ups

Riverdale has scored 84 points versus 34 points. IMO if Riverdale had not played in the East Bracket they would have won 4 straight titles. Regions 1-4 play harder schedules and are more likely to have key injuries than other regions for the fact that they play on a whole other level of the game. JMO

Edited November 9, 2005 by SergeantOwl22