CRIME COMMITTED AT MOORE COUNTY

[bleacherbum69]

QUOTE(bigwes68 @ Feb 10 2007 - 03:32 PM) 826366422[/snapback]

Not all of us are 40 or 50 years old.

MOST of us give our best effort every night.

NONE of us are out to "screw teenagers."

99.9% of us are completely unbiased (of course, the losing team always gets that one official in America that is completely biased against their team).

ALL of us have a bad game from time to time, and none of us are perfect. But then again, neither are the players. No player in the history of basketball has ever hit every shot they ever took. As such, we don't berate your kids when they miss a free throw or turn the ball over.

If officials did not exist, the games would not be played.

 

If there is that big of a difference in foul shooting, then that tells me that one team was being much, much more aggressive than the other. I've called games like that...one team was just simply fouling more than the other. There's no rule anywhere that says the foul count has to be the same for both teams. But if what you said really happened with the intentional fouls, the official telling the coach to "sit down and shut up" and everything else, then that tape should be sent to the state office and let them handle it. That kind of stuff is not acceptable.

 

 

 

I for one hope the coaching staff turns it into TSSAA as these refs need to be taken out of the game and not allowed to referee again. I have since found out that one of the ref's has actually called a "state championship" game and he was the one that not only allowed the player to run the baseline on a dead ball but he was also the one that told the coach that he told the player he could run the baseline and told the coach to sit down and shut up and he put his hand up as if to say "no more" and shook his head as he went down court in denial like the coach's were idiots or something. Both of these teams (boys and girls) are very good teams the boys both won their respective districts. The agressive play was at BOTH ends of the floor. This was just HOME TOWN REFS giving a HUGE advantage to the HOME team. Now ofcourse the JC boys could have made every shot that went in the air but it would not have made a difference, everytime they got close there was a foul called or something, somehow, someway went against them. Having said all that and even withstanding the foul shots that were given to Moore Co. in the end JC still had a chance to win the game but Moore Co. to their credit made the most of the refs blunders and won the game. Credit to Moore Co. for playing a great game and i'm sure they will have a shot at the state tournament. Switch the fouls around though and its a runaway the other way.

[utvols1]

QUOTE(bigwes68 @ Feb 10 2007 - 04:32 PM) 826366422[/snapback]

Not all of us are 40 or 50 years old.

MOST of us give our best effort every night.

NONE of us are out to "screw teenagers."

99.9% of us are completely unbiased (of course, the losing team always gets that one official in America that is completely biased against their team).

ALL of us have a bad game from time to time, and none of us are perfect. But then again, neither are the players. No player in the history of basketball has ever hit every shot they ever took. As such, we don't berate your kids when they miss a free throw or turn the ball over.

If officials did not exist, the games would not be played.

 

If there is that big of a difference in foul shooting, then that tells me that one team was being much, much more aggressive than the other. I've called games like that...one team was just simply fouling more than the other. There's no rule anywhere that says the foul count has to be the same for both teams. But if what you said really happened with the intentional fouls, the official telling the coach to "sit down and shut up" and everything else, then that tape should be sent to the state office and let them handle it. That kind of stuff is not acceptable.

 

 

 

 

I completely agree with this...In the 15 years i have been an official i have seen many games that the fouls are lopsided...its not our fault as officials that one team plays more aggresively than the other...as a whole, we call what we see and dont make things up or let things slide...

 

And if that really did happen with intentionals and the way the official addressed the coach then that is unacceptable and i also agree that you should send the tape in to the TSSAA...

 

Most officials do a excellent job and put forth a great effort in officiating games but NO MATTER WHAT THE RESULT IS....SOMEONE WILL ALWAYS BE MAD.....thats just the life of a ref!!!!!

[bleacherbum69]

QUOTE(utvols1 @ Feb 10 2007 - 04:57 PM) 826366512[/snapback]

I completely agree with this...In the 15 years i have been an official i have seen many games that the fouls are lopsided...its not our fault as officials that one team plays more aggresively than the other...as a whole, we call what we see and dont make things up or let things slide...

 

And if that really did happen with intentionals and the way the official addressed the coach then that is unacceptable and i also agree that you should send the tape in to the TSSAA...

 

Most officials do a excellent job and put forth a great effort in officiating games but NO MATTER WHAT THE RESULT IS....SOMEONE WILL ALWAYS BE MAD.....thats just the life of a ref!!!!!

 

 

 

I am not one of these fans that sits in the stands and blames the refs for every little mistake, as most of them are out there working their butts off to get the call right every time! I coached for 21 years myself and i know how hard it is to referee a jv game let alone a high school game. Two of the refs we had were not youngsters cutting their teeth, just one of them was. The black gentleman seemed to be the "head" ref of the group in his 50's and the other gentleman also in his late 50's or there about. These guys were just not going to call it no matter what against the home team. The intentional foul on JC's part could have been called just that anytime down the floor as the kid was trying to keep the other from making the shot and when Moore Co. went up for it they called it just that way, however when JC did the same thing in almost an identical situation there was nothing called. The kid went sailing into the wall which does happen on occassion but atleast give the foul. Then to allow the other team not only to go more than 5 seconds on the inbound but to let them run the baseline and have the odacity to tell the coach HE was the one that TOLD him to run the baseline! I have seen ref's make mistakes before and have had a referee come over to me when i was coaching and say "hey i might have missed that one coach" but to look at the coach and tell him to SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP and not even acknowledge the fact that he made a HUGE mistake AGAIN in a critical part of the game is UNACCEPTABLE. No one is perfect by any means but a little consistency is all you can ask for, am i right or am i totally off based here bigwes, utvols1?

[lastone2know]

i hate it for the players..they go out there & give it their all and there can be nothing more frustrating than to feel like nothing u do can be right cause everything is being called against u. i used 2 ref some games so i have had some experience in this matter. yes, it is hard to see everything that everyone thinks should be seen, but these officials this year have let matters get way out of control in more than a couple of games and this is just unacceptable. if u are not wanting 2 do the job fairly then dont do it at all. if u feel u are biased then be adult enough to pull yourself off that game. they wonder where the sportsmanship went??? what a good place 2 start w/ the refs!!!

[muffin]

QUOTE(bleacherbum69 @ Feb 10 2007 - 11:52 AM) 826366199[/snapback]

I have been watching basketball for 57 years and i have never witnessed a more blatant act against kids in my entire life that someone didn't get arrested for. I want to start by saying to the fine people of Moore County and their players who showed excellent sportsmanship, that this has nothing to do with them nor is it a knock against them in any way, shape or form. The 3 officials decided the outcome of both games for some reason. Moore Co. shot a combined 53 foul shots to Jackson County's 9. 53-9 ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The boys from Jackson Co. lost by 7 points the girls by 2. Though you might think that was the worst part, however it wasn't. These 3 officials should be BANNED from ever calling another game EVER! Time and again they turned their heads to obvious fouls and turnovers only to call it totally different for the home team. Why is this? Why or how can they be put in this kind of position to do these things to innocent kids that are playing just as hard for their team. Are we all not AMERICANS? DO WE ALL NOT LIVE IN THE SAME STATE? How can these guys be held accountable? I will give you just a small synopsis of the game so you all can understand our frustration. Jackson Co.'s boys missed a shot and Moore Co. had a layup attempt at the other end in which a player from Jackson Co. fouled him on the way up. An intentional foul was called against our player in where they shot two foul shots and got the ball back. Later in the game the same thing ocurred only it was Jackson Co. on a break away layup with District MVP Tyler Cassety going up and being knocked not only out of bounds but into the wall. There was no intentional foul called and it gets better THERE WAS NO FOUL CALLED AT ALL! IT GETS BETTER!! The Coach from Moore Co. called a timeout, keep in mind with Cassety being knocked into the next state on the layup he did not make the shot. Moore Co. then goes to inbound the ball under Jackson Co's basket. Its a two point game at this time with 2:48 on the clock. Jackson Co. picks up in a full court press and denys the inbound the 5 second count is almost up so the player from Moore Co. starts running the baseline and eventually gets the ball inbounds. The coaches from Jackson Co. are sreaming at the refs because this is an obvious violation and a turnover. The ball is tipped out of bounds on the pass by Moore Co. and given BACK TO MOORE CO!!! The coaches from Jackson Co. are telling the refs he had just had a turnover and i promise you i was sitting right behind the scorers table and the ref told the coach and i quote " I TOLD HIM HE COULD RUN THE BASELINE COACH" The coach tells the ref it wasn't a made basket he can't do that the ref said again i quote "SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN COACH" and shook his head as if to say no to Jackson Co. WHY IS THIS KIND OF THING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN? THERE IS NO CALL FOR THIS! Moore Co. has a very good team we take nothing away from them but this game wasn't decided by the players and it was never going to be the refs made that clear from the outset of the game. I JUST WISH TSSAA WOULD DO SOMETHING TO THIS KIND OF REFEREEING. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS CAN BE TURNED INTO TSSAA? WHAT KIND OF ACTIONS CAN BE TAKEN IN THESE SITUATIONS ? We are all Tennesseans and Americans, what happened in Moore Co. was a CRIME!

 

 

You say Moore Co. shot 53 free throws,another poster from J.C. claims Moore Co. shot 28 free throws and did not complain about the refs,he said J.C. was outhustled and the other team wanted the game more than J.C.

[mrbasketball]

QUOTE(muffin @ Feb 10 2007 - 07:31 PM) 826366642[/snapback]

You say Moore Co. shot 53 free throws,another poster from J.C. claims Moore Co. shot 28 free throws and did not complain about the refs,he said J.C. was outhustled and the other team wanted the game more than J.C.

 

 

sorry muff but don't think anyone has said either team outhustled the other. both teams played hard and showed why they each won their respective district title.the total of 53 was girls and boys combined. the 28 was how many the moore co. boys shot. it was a great game but total points from the foul line moore co. boys 21, jackson co. boys 1. you figure out what happened.

[muffin]

QUOTE(mrbasketball @ Feb 10 2007 - 08:42 PM) 826366707[/snapback]

sorry muff but don't think anyone has said either team outhustled the other. both teams played hard and showed why they each won their respective district title.the total of 53 was girls and boys combined. the 28 was how many the moore co. boys shot. it was a great game but total points from the foul line moore co. boys 21, jackson co. boys 1. you figure out what happened.

 

 

Sounds like you got beat.

[Mr knowitall]

QUOTE(muffin @ Feb 10 2007 - 09:07 PM) 826366749[/snapback]

Sounds like you got beat.

 

 

I was not at the game and can't make any claim about what happened. However, in defense of MC fans on here, When Cully beat them at Cully( which lead to a tie the the Reg season Championship) not a word was posted about the game on here by MC fans. No bad calls, refs hate us, etc... They just lost on that night and moved on. So something must have beeen pretty bad!!!

 

Good luck to both teams!!!

[utvols1]

QUOTE(mrbasketball @ Feb 10 2007 - 09:42 PM) 826366707[/snapback]

sorry muff but don't think anyone has said either team outhustled the other. both teams played hard and showed why they each won their respective district title.the total of 53 was girls and boys combined. the 28 was how many the moore co. boys shot. it was a great game but total points from the foul line moore co. boys 21, jackson co. boys 1. you figure out what happened.

 

 

 

sounds like they need to work on foul shots at practice! hitting only 1 freethrow is definately a reason to get beat!

 

And the facts finally start to come out....

[Wooden Jr.]

I'm not sure what officiating association Moore Co. is in, but JC do not turn the game film over to Ken Melton. He will never give you another call for the rest of his officiating life. Regardless of your claim being legite or not. This is well-documented.

[muffin]

QUOTE(Wooden Jr. @ Feb 10 2007 - 11:58 PM) 826366995[/snapback]

I'm not sure what officiating association Moore Co. is in, but JC do not turn the game film over to Ken Melton. He will never give you another call for the rest of his officiating life. Regardless of your claim being legite or not. This is well-documented.

 

 

This is true.

[Floor_General22]

It is true most officials are not out to screw one team or another. But some are. And they will tell you that. Some officials will call against a team or a player just to get back at a crowd or person in the crowd that heckles him. I have heard an official tell a parent to shut up or their kid will be on the bench before he can blink. Thats just plain wrong. When you sign up to be a ref, you know what you are getting into. If you cannot act professionally then you don't need to be out there. Its a shame that the good officials out there get a bad name because of a few self serving refs.