Refrees?

[MVM]

You know i think the same thing. But it goes back to development of younger officials. If you are in a crew all year, which i think would be a great thing, the younger guys would get left out in the cold. Now if they could somehow plan where one crew has a senior, junior and new varsity offical every year that might work.

 

Being comfortable with your patners is realy important. I think being comfortable enough to tell them they are wrong when they are wrong would come from that continuous exposure. Maybe revolving crews?? I know the job of an assigning officer is hard! Not one i would ever want! But that might even make it easier on them. You only need substitutes when a standard member can't make it.

 

But, to add fuel to the fire, what if you get a "bad" crew? Then they are together all year.... Or first half of the year... Who knows?? But i think that would be a great thing to try out!

 

I would think thats where some of the "old timers" could come into play. The old timers that might not want to do the varsity games anymore (and we have those in soccer not sure about basketball ) could work the JV and middle school games to help develop the younger less experienced refs.

[rebelscum1998]

2 charges called badly on Click of Maryville within the last 30 seconds of the game. Down two with thirty seconds to go, he made 2 plays and both were taken away from him by an official who was poor the entire game. The crew that refereed the Oak Ridge v Maryville game the other night should not be allowed to referee Region Tournament basketball. Send them back to the JV season. Referees should be scheduled by ability not seniority. I think that is some of the problem. I agree young new referees may be poor at first and need to be developed, but the veterans who are not very good should not get big games only because they are veterans. Both teams deserved a good referee crew, and neither was given that.

[tigerman]

Suggestions ?

Here's one for starters..make officials more accountable. Too many bad ones keep showing up at big game after big game. And they aren't getting any better. Grade them fairly and objectively and if they consistently fare poorly make them earn their way back. At the same time, reward the good ones, although I think that is already being done.

 

How about letting coaches have honest & frank dialogue about how refs can do a better job without fear of retaliation in future games. I'm no coach, but I think coaches know the game better than anybody.

 

And how about concentrating on the big picture by calling the game instead of worrying so much about those ever changing " points of emphasis". The five second call is a mystery from crew to crew, palming the ball changes from possession to possesion, hand checks are taboo while muggings in the paint are overlooked and a block charge call is a guess at best.

 

But by golly better have those shirt tails tucked in, be at the scorers table ahead of time one night & somewhere in the vicinity with the next crew, and not be one inch out of the coaches box without risk of a T.

 

Biggest suggestion...be consistent. And quit telling those of us who dare to question officiating to become one ourselves.

[MVM]

Suggestions ?

Here's one for starters..make officials more accountable. Too many bad ones keep showing up at big game after big game. And they aren't getting any better. Grade them fairly and objectively and if they consistently fare poorly make them earn their way back. At the same time, reward the good ones, although I think that is already being done.

 

How about letting coaches have honest & frank dialogue about how refs can do a better job without fear of retaliation in future games. I'm no coach, but I think coaches know the game better than anybody.

 

And how about concentrating on the big picture by calling the game instead of worrying so much about those ever changing " points of emphasis". The five second call is a mystery from crew to crew, palming the ball changes from possession to possesion, hand checks are taboo while muggings in the paint are overlooked and a block charge call is a guess at best.

 

But by golly better have those shirt tails tucked in, be at the scorers table ahead of time one night & somewhere in the vicinity with the next crew, and not be one inch out of the coaches box without risk of a T.

 

Biggest suggestion...be consistent. And quit telling those of us who dare to question officiating to become one ourselves.

 

 

Tigerman ...40 years, Thats along time and I bet you have seen it all in those years. Let me ask you this ...How have the parents, coaches and the crowd changed over those 40 years toward Refs. Have they become more respectful or less? Are they treated better today by parents and coaches or worse? Did parents come out of the stands and assault refs or not?

 

 

Nice post ..but answer the questions. Here I'll make it simple for you. In 40 years of watching HS sports, Do Coaches, parents and players show more respect to refs or less?

[downtown247]

I??™m just very suspicious. I have never worked with anyone that would tout their own successes so freely and in the same breath berate a fellow official. I think it??™s very funny where this post has gone since he joined. For the most part it was just a back and forth about rules, situations and opinions till negative Nancy joined.

 

It??™s a strange group of folks that choose to do this. Typically pretty humble. Outgoing but normally humble people. I sense the force is weak in this one??¦.

 

I??™m just relying on my judgment!! That tends to get us in trouble sometimes too!!

 

 

First of all I can vouch for pressured's success as an official. I know him personally. He does an outstanding job. Second, you are correct when you say usually the people that officiate are "pretty humble". The man you are being so critical of is in fact very humble. However, their are several officials that feel that they are a major part of the game. These are the same officials that coaches are not allowed to question during a game because they are afraid that it will bruise their precious ego. For the most part this sounds pretty typical of YOUR personality type. Is anyone allowed to have an opinion that differs from your own? I mean after all when a ref screws up a game his season continues. However, the team that gets shafted by some of these hacks has to go home and wait a year before they can get back at it.

[downtown247]

???First off, don't ever question my integrity by questioning if I am telling the truth.???

 

Liar.

 

Now when can I expect my message board beating?

 

 

How old are you? I was just wondering who signed the big baby up on coacht. He has his opinion and he is entitled to speak it. Their are a lot of terrible refs that don't deserve to have the opportunity to do the job. If you can't admit that you're obviosly delusional.

[tigerman]

Nice post ..but answer the questions. Here I'll make it simple for you. In 40 years of watching HS sports, Do Coaches, parents and players show more respect to refs or less?

 

 

I'll take at stab at that & my answer is simple..I don't there's been that much difference.

 

As a rule crowd control is much much better now than it ever was. Much more noticible presence of law enforcement & school SRO's. And no matter how heated games have been and how much yelling there was at the refs, almost all of the crowds I've seen the last few years disperse quietly and orderly.

 

There will always be an isolated incident somewhere of an unruly fan like the head butting incident, but I think those episodes are few and far between. I'm sure some old timers probably have stories of being escorted out of gymnasiums under heavy security and a few probably have had vandilism occur to the vehicles among other things in the previous decades.

 

Believe it or not I think coaches are far more respectful now. They've pretty much been muzzled by the coaches box & the effects a technical foul brings to them. That wasn't the case in the good old days. Coaches had more freedom on the sidelines and didn't hold back their anger at a bad call. Refs definitely have the upper hand now.

 

Players ? A wash there as well. Different generation of players, different generation of officials. I think they "get"

each other. Doesn't mean they'll agree on all the calls but how they react I think goes back to their coaches

and their parents. That was true 40 years ago as well.

[Reffin]

Wow. Where to even start. Make officials more accountable, Grade them fairly and objectively, reward the good ones. You need to skip officiating and go all the way to being a supervisor!! We don??™t get paid that much, the supervisors really don??™t get paid that much so who is going to do all this evaluating??? This is not a full time job folks!! Maybe if you paid $150 bucks a game for a ticket it could be and you would get the dedication that you want out of it!!

 

The coaches know the game better than anybody??¦.. Really??? Come on??¦??¦

 

I??™m sorry I have to stick to my guns. I was one of the most belligerent people to officials prior to becoming one. With the experience I now have, I know how to be a better fan, parent, coach and just person in general.

 

It applies everywhere. Don??™t gripe at your server at a restaurant until you have been one. Don??™t get mad at your wife till you have done the laundry yourself. Don??™t get mad at your kid??™s teacher till you have taught yourself. When you get the experience you can make an educated decision as to whether the people you are criticizing are doing a good job or a bad job. And odds are after being in their shoes you will respond in a more respectful manner.

 

Or you could just be an idiot and none of this experience will matter. You will get on a message board and dog out the very people you once were??¦.

 

I still think every fan should be required to take some kind of rules course prior to being admitted to a gym!! Sort of like a drivers license test! Take the course, pass the test you get to come to a game. At least then they will have an understanding of the rules??¦..

 

One time fee of $150 for the course and then you just pay $3 bucks to get in! What a deal??¦. I??™ll teach??¦.

[PressureD]

Wow. Where to even start. Make officials more accountable, Grade them fairly and objectively, reward the good ones. You need to skip officiating and go all the way to being a supervisor!! We don??™t get paid that much, the supervisors really don??™t get paid that much so who is going to do all this evaluating??? This is not a full time job folks!! Maybe if you paid $150 bucks a game for a ticket it could be and you would get the dedication that you want out of it!!

 

The coaches know the game better than anybody??¦.. Really??? Come on??¦??¦

 

I??™m sorry I have to stick to my guns. I was one of the most belligerent people to officials prior to becoming one. With the experience I now have, I know how to be a better fan, parent, coach and just person in general.

 

It applies everywhere. Don??™t gripe at your server at a restaurant until you have been one. Don??™t get mad at your wife till you have done the laundry yourself. Don??™t get mad at your kid??™s teacher till you have taught yourself. When you get the experience you can make an educated decision as to whether the people you are criticizing are doing a good job or a bad job. And odds are after being in their shoes you will respond in a more respectful manner.

 

Or you could just be an idiot and none of this experience will matter. You will get on a message board and dog out the very people you once were??¦.

 

I still think every fan should be required to take some kind of rules course prior to being admitted to a gym!! Sort of like a drivers license test! Take the course, pass the test you get to come to a game. At least then they will have an understanding of the rules??¦..

 

One time fee of $150 for the course and then you just pay $3 bucks to get in! What a deal??¦. I??™ll teach??¦.

 

Reffin, I like the idea of making fans pass a rules test to be admitted. At least they should have to pass one before yelling about the rules. I will be the first to admit that I don't know all the rules of basketball and I even coach the sport. I do know the most basic rules and when those are the ones that officials miss, I get upset. However, as you have pointed out, when you are an official, of any sport, it makes you appreciate the profession a little more. Now that does not mean that I can't have the opinion that some need to find another hobby. But I agree with the rules test to be admitted to the game. That was pretty funny. See it all the time in football, especially in the youth leagues. Go out on a Saturday afternoon and listen to all the fans yelling "horse collar" or "the defense can jump offsides as long as they get back before the snap." I understand what you are saying. Made me laugh. Good idea.

[blankguy]

How old are you? I was just wondering who signed the big baby up on coacht. He has his opinion and he is entitled to speak it. Their are a lot of terrible refs that don't deserve to have the opportunity to do the job. If you can't admit that you're obviosly delusional.

 

AND obviously you have a crush on PressureD!

[PressureD]

AND obviously you have a crush on PressureD!

 

Awww...somebody must be jealous that Downtown247 does not have a crush on them. Seriously, can no one have an opinion that differs from yours?

[blankguy]

Ah you caught me! Oh no I like opinions, I tend to get them everyday! However, I don't like the opinions from officials talking about other officials!!! I'm sorry, I guess I'm old school in thinking.. There are somethings we just keep to ourselves......